Prospect Info: Senators Prospect Talk 2014-2015 Part I

[Lenny the Lynx]

Its such a silly comment to rule prospects out as "this guy will never play in the NHL", when management disagrees and the guy is also producing in the AHL. I guess he's just not tall enough but come on

 

[WhiteLight*]

Agreed on Pageau being the only one that's definitely NHL ready, Prince and Puempel definitely still question marks I just think they'd be fun to watch. Especially Prince who I've only ever gotten to see live a couple times but have heard many good things about.

Agreed.... I want Prince on this team next year.

I'll be very disappointed if the team loses him without giving him a proper opportunity.

 

[Quo]

I haven't listened to this yet but here's a thirty minute interview with Pierre Dorion about some of our prospects.

Ottawa Senators Prospects: Pierre Dorion

 

[operasen]

Prince should be playing now and Greening somewhere else.

At the dealine, Smith should be gone for Pageau; Condra should be gone for Puempel

 

[God Says No]

Its such a silly comment to rule prospects out as "this guy will never play in the NHL", when management disagrees and the guy is also producing in the AHL. I guess he's just not tall enough but come on

With aragorn it's a very simple formula.

Player height > 6' == NHL

I personally think Prince could play in the NHL right now. He can play both wings so all the LW's before him are not a concern. Also I don't believe Puempel is ahead of him. I think he might be the first one on the callup list for wingers. JGP is first on the callups for C's.

 

[SaltyPete]

You see a couple kids being harder to push around than big fully matured adults? say what you want about the disparity in skill, but the disparity in strength, endurance, toughness is massive, heavily in michaleks and legwands favour.

Going off what I've seen at the NHL level Pageau is a much, much more tenacious player than Legwand. Michalek is a pretty good puck battler for sure though, I should definitely wait to see Prince up before making the call that he won't get pushed around as much.

 

[ReginKarlssonLehner]

I wanted that to but I don't think it would of been good. That team would of been pushed around so much, and after watching Edmonton that has some serious effects on the growth of the players.
At least this year the team doesn't get pushed around and has leadership. I think it'll make the team better in 2-3 years when we see some of the Bingo players come into the line up

But remember speed kills. Look at NYR, MTL, Pitts, Colorado.

The perfect mix is speed+size(obviously with skill too).

Ryan
Zibanejad
Stone
Chiasson
Smith

are the big bodies

Prince
Hoffman
Pageau


are the speedsters

Lazar
Turris
Mac
Puempel

are the inbetweeners

Prince is also terrific along the boards and plays with huge heart and work ethic.

 

[aragorn]

Its such a silly comment to rule prospects out as "this guy will never play in the NHL", when management disagrees and the guy is also producing in the AHL. I guess he's just not tall enough but come on

I don't believe anyone said that Prince would not be playing in the NHL, I just don't think it will be with Ottawa. While he may get some games in Ottawa I think the organization prefers Puempel over him but what do I know it's just an opinion. BTW why doesn't Schneider ever come up in conversation about getting a shot in Ottawa?

Of course, they will have to get rid of a few bodies just to make enough roster room to bring up any prospects regardless of who they are. They are already at the maximum 23 roster players & when Methot is ready to return they will have to do something either through waivers or trade to make room for him. I would imagine we won't see any prospects in Ottawa until after the trade deadline if & only if they have room on their roster at that time.

 

[ZekeA]

I don't believe anyone said that Prince would not be playing in the NHL, I just don't think it will be with Ottawa. While he may get some games in Ottawa I think the organization prefers Puempel over him but what do I know it's just an opinion. BTW why doesn't Schneider ever come up in conversation about getting a shot in Ottawa?

Of course, they will have to get rid of a few bodies just to make enough roster room to bring up any prospects regardless of who they are. They are already at the maximum 23 roster players & when Methot is ready to return they will have to do something either through waivers or trade to make room for him. I would imagine we won't see any prospects in Ottawa until after the trade deadline if & only if they have room on their roster at that time.

"Aragorn":


I think the reason Schneider name does Not come up on this blog to get a callup is because he is not a glory boy draft pick......

Ottawa signed him as a free agent out of college so people here overlook him, not right but way it is here......

I agree Ottawa in my humble view should not of resigned Milan Michalek ECT to free up roster spots for players in Binghamton to get a shot up top with Ottawa. + it would have been cheaper as most are on their ELC...........

Just my opinion for what that is worth around here, also I would not ever want the job of GM for Ottawa, as it is a very demanding position too demanding + I am retired and staying that way.......

 

[Burrowsaurus]

But remember speed kills. Look at NYR, MTL, Pitts, Colorado.

The perfect mix is speed+size(obviously with skill too).

Ryan
Zibanejad
Stone
Chiasson
Smith

are the big bodies

Prince
Hoffman
Pageau


are the speedsters

Lazar
Turris
Mac
Puempel

are the inbetweeners

Prince is also terrific along the boards and plays with huge heart and work ethic.

Where are the elite scorer offensive dynamos. We need a few.

 

[dumbdick]

Anyone got a scouting report on Wideman? Guy is ripping it up in the AHL again this year. Can't say I know too much about him..

 

[starling]

Anyone got a scouting report on Wideman? Guy is ripping it up in the AHL again this year. Can't say I know too much about him..

Based on 5-6 Bingo games I've seen this season.
Classic small puck moving offensive RHD. Fast, Not physical, good shot, pass, puck movement. Runs PP nicely. Takes dumb penalties.

 

[ReginKarlssonLehner]

Where are the elite scorer offensive dynamos. We need a few.

Ryan, Hoffman and potentially Zibanejad(30 goal). That's enough.

 

[God Says No]

Based on 5-6 Bingo games I've seen this season.
Classic small puck moving offensive RHD. Fast, Not physical, good shot, pass, puck movement. Runs PP nicely. Takes dumb penalties.

I would love for the guy to get a look with the big club. He could turn out to be our Torey Krug.

But with the 8 D, I don't think he'll get one. Not sure if he comes back next year with the organization.

 

[Lenny the Lynx]

I don't believe anyone said that Prince would not be playing in the NHL, I just don't think it will be with Ottawa. While he may get some games in Ottawa I think the organization prefers Puempel over him but what do I know it's just an opinion. BTW why doesn't Schneider ever come up in conversation about getting a shot in Ottawa?

Of course, they will have to get rid of a few bodies just to make enough roster room to bring up any prospects regardless of who they are. They are already at the maximum 23 roster players & when Methot is ready to return they will have to do something either through waivers or trade to make room for him. I would imagine we won't see any prospects in Ottawa until after the trade deadline if & only if they have room on their roster at that time.

Even saying he won't get a shot in Ottawa, we just don't know. I know its just an opinion but I just have a pet peeve with people talking in absolutes about prospects.

Puempel has a bit of an edge right now but he earned it with a 30 goal rookie season. There are so many variables at play - all these guys have a shot to make it, Schneider included.

On the second paragraph - I agree the depth chart is jammed in Ottawa, but I don't think people are being held back as we have three rookie forwards on the regular roster, which is a lot. The rest will have to be patient and take advantage of chances when they come their way.

 

[RuthlessLieutenant]

Prospect Update 26-11-2014

Player | Position | League | GP | G | A | P | +/- | PIM
Fredrik Claesson|D|AHL|12|0|3|3|-6|4
Ryan Dzingel|C|AHL|14|4|1|5|-5|12
Dave Dziurzynski|LW|AHL|11|0|2|2|+4|35
Derek Grant|C|AHL|17|5|2|7|+6|9
Alex Guptill|LW|AHL|13|3|1|4|+1|14
Darren Kramer|LW|AHL|17|0|2|2|-1|56
Max McCormick|LW|AHL|9|2|3|5|+2|22
Jean-Gabriel Pageau|C|AHL|17|5|8|13|+3|19
Shane Prince|LW|AHL|15|4|7|11|+1|8
Matt Puempel|LW|AHL|17|4|8|12|-3|7
Buddy Robinson|RW|AHL|17|2|8|10|+4|8
Michael Sdao|D|AHL|12|1|1|2|0|36
Chris Wideman|D|AHL|17|10|11|21|+4|20
Robert Baillargeon|C|NCAA|7|1|1|2|-1|8
Tim Boyle|D|NCAA III|10|2|6|8||10
Shane Eiserman|LW|NCAA|9|2|1|3|-1|2
Chris Leblanc|RW|NCAA|4|1|0|1|-1|2
Quentin Shore|C/RW|NCAA|10|5|6|11|+3|8
Kelly Summers|D|NCAA|11|0|1|1|0|4
Miles Gendron|D|BCHL|26|2|5|7|0|18
Ben Harpur|D|OHL|12|4|9|13|+7|22
Tobias Lindberg|RW|OHL|22|10|17|27|+7|4
Nick Paul|LW|OHL|21|16|10|26|+11|22
Vincent Dunn|LW|QMJHL|22|8|5|14|+2|81
Francis Perron|RW|QMJHL|23|15|17|34|+8|8
Andreas Englund|D|SHL|23|1|2|3|-6|22
Mikael Wikstrand|D|SHL|18|3|4|7|+5|2

Goaltender | League | GP | W | L | OT | GAA | SV% | SO
Chris Driedger|ECHL|9|3|5|1|3.45|.898|1
Marcus Hogberg|SHL|10|3|5|2|2.71|.904|0

*Statistics taken from eliteprospects and team websites

 

[Micklebot]

I haven't listened to this yet but here's a thirty minute interview with Pierre Dorion about some of our prospects.

Ottawa Senators Prospects: Pierre Dorion

6th sens did a transcript:

http://the6thsens.com/2014-articles/pierre-dorion-speaks-30-minute-interview-on-prospects.html

 

[Burrowsaurus]

Player | Position | League | GP | G | A | P | +/- | PIM
Fredrik Claesson|D|AHL|12|0|3|3|-6|4
Ryan Dzingel|C|AHL|14|4|1|5|-5|12
Dave Dziurzynski|LW|AHL|11|0|2|2|+4|35
Derek Grant|C|AHL|17|5|2|7|+6|9
Alex Guptill|LW|AHL|13|3|1|4|+1|14
Darren Kramer|LW|AHL|17|0|2|2|-1|56
Max McCormick|LW|AHL|9|2|3|5|+2|22
Jean-Gabriel Pageau|C|AHL|17|5|8|13|+3|19
Shane Prince|LW|AHL|15|4|7|11|+1|8
Matt Puempel|LW|AHL|17|4|8|12|-3|7
Buddy Robinson|RW|AHL|17|2|8|10|+4|8
Michael Sdao|D|AHL|12|1|1|2|0|36
Chris Wideman|D|AHL|17|10|11|21|+4|20
Robert Baillargeon|C|NCAA|7|1|1|2|-1|8
Tim Boyle|D|NCAA III|10|2|6|8||10
Shane Eiserman|LW|NCAA|9|2|1|3|-1|2
Chris Leblanc|RW|NCAA|4|1|0|1|-1|2
Quentin Shore|C/RW|NCAA|10|5|6|11|+3|8
Kelly Summers|D|NCAA|11|0|1|1|0|4
Miles Gendron|D|BCHL|26|2|5|7|0|18
Ben Harpur|D|OHL|12|4|9|13|+7|22
Tobias Lindberg|RW|OHL|22|10|17|27|+7|4
Nick Paul|LW|OHL|21|16|10|26|+11|22
Vincent Dunn|LW|QMJHL|22|8|5|14|+2|81
Francis Perron|RW|QMJHL|23|15|17|34|+8|8
Andreas Englund|D|SHL|23|1|2|3|-6|22
Mikael Wikstrand|D|SHL|18|3|4|7|+5|2

Goaltender | League | GP | W | L | OT | GAA | SV% | SO
Chris Driedger|ECHL|9|3|5|1|3.45|.898|1
Marcus Hogberg|SHL|10|3|5|2|2.71|.904|0

*Statistics taken from eliteprospects and team websites

all I see are busts

except dzingel

 

[Sun God Nika]

Man Perron, Lindberg and Paul are suprising but ya I don't see anyone being an impact player in the NHL aside from Dzingel.

 

[Lenny the Lynx]

Man Perron, Lindberg and Paul are suprising but ya I don't see anyone being an impact player in the NHL aside from Dzingel.

Agreed. I wonder if we can package the entire prospect list for Eberle?

 

[Burrowsaurus]

Two things I notced.. gendron is an even +/- and hes new to defence playing in a good league... that's promising at least...

Another thing. If Quentin Shore can stay over a point per game in the NCAA that would be really nice.

 

[Hale The Villain]

I see multiple NHLers in that group.

Puempel, Paul, Pageau, Prince, Robinson are all guys who should be NHL players sooner than later.

Plenty of other solid prospects in the pool as well like our trio of Swedish D, Dzingel, Lindberg, Harpur, Guptill.

Not a lot of star talent (that's what happens when you trade your 1st round picks away while graduating all of your top prospects), but a lot of depth.

 

[Minister of Offence]

Two things I notced.. gendron is an even +/- and hes new to defence playing in a good league... that's promising at least...

Another thing. If Quentin Shore can stay over a point per game in the NCAA that would be really nice.

Gendron is a 4-5 year project at least, wouldn't worry much about what he does this year. His transition to college will be more telling.

 

[aragorn]

I think Puempel has impact potential as does Paul who already has NHL size & he seems to be adding the skill level required & the same can be said for Harpur. I also like Hogberg & I think Lindberg has potential too as does Shore. You never know.

 

[starling]

Two things I notced.. gendron is an even +/- and hes new to defence playing in a good league... that's promising at least...

Or they just don't keep track of +/- in BCHL.