Confirmed with Link: Senators are for sale - and it’s a Gong Show

[DaveMatthew]

how many existing building, along Sparks street, need to be demolished, to make room for an arena, and brand new condo towers the perspective owners want to include in their deal with the NCC land ?

How much more will it coast to demolish those (Sparks Street) buildings, and much more time will it take to get the team relocated to the downtown area…. And how much chaos will the demolition and construction be in the Sparks Street area, and for how long?



sorry, but this will never be considered a viable option.

Bayview yards is start to look like a good option

Sparks Street will never be an option for an arena. But we should 100% get rid of the NCC and try to make Sparks Street less depressing. What a useless red-tape organization.

Bayview is probably the right option simply because building there won't hinge on the NCC.

 

[Golden_Jet]

What I'm suggesting - basic reporting - isn't exactly a "tip".

Well it does look like he did some good legwork, as he managed to dig up Snoop Dog, whereas no one else has.
And looks like his Instgram message confirms it.

 

[GCK]

how many existing building, along Sparks street, need to be demolished, to make room for an arena, and brand new condo towers the perspective owners want to include in their deal with the NCC land ?

How much more will it coast to demolish those (Sparks Street) buildings, and much more time will it take to get the team relocated to the downtown area…. And how much chaos will the demolition and construction be in the Sparks Street area, and for how long?



sorry, but this will never be considered a viable option.

Bayview yards is start to look like a good option

NCC isn’t sanctioning a Sparks Street arena, they want it at Lebreton.

Sparks Street will never be an option for an arena. But we should 100% get rid of the NCC and try to make Sparks Street less depressing. What a useless red-tape organization.

Bayview is probably the right option simply because building there won't hinge on the NCC.

Sure let’s deal with Ottawa city council rather than the NCC who actually WANT a rink at Lebreton.

 

[Tnuoc Alucard]

Sparks Street will never be an option for an arena. But we should 100% get rid of the NCC and try to make Sparks Street less depressing. What a useless red-tape organization.

Bayview is probably the right option simply because building there won't hinge on the NCC.

Once a level of government is created, it will never be eliminated. We’re stuck with the NCC, as useless as it is, and has always been.

We used to have a Regional Government before amalgamation, and a handful of municipalities, each with their own Mayors and councils, and then the province forced the elimination of Regional council and the creation of the amalgamated City of Ottawa, which was going to reduce the size of all the municipal governments combined ….and rid us of regional government ….. and now we have more municipal employees than what the total of all the previous municipal governments combined, including the regional government.

 

[Golden_Jet]

NCC isn’t sanctioning a Sparks Street arena, they want it at Lebreton.


Sure let’s deal with Ottawa city council rather than the NCC who actually WANT a rink at Lebreton.

Ya , I think it depends on how much extra land NCC is willing to negotiate.

 

[Golden_Jet]

Once a level of government is created, it will never be eliminated. We’re stuck with the NCC, as useless as it is, and has always been.

We used to have a Regional Government before amalgamation, and a handful of municipalities, each with their own Mayors and councils, and then the province forced the elimination of Regional council and the creation of the amalgamated City of Ottawa, which was going to reduce the size of all the municipal governments combined ….and rid us of regional government ….. and now we have more municipal employees than what the total of all the previous municipal governments combined, including the regional government.

Yep and then turns out, you have to pay them all, at whatever the highest rate was across all the unions.
Course told something different would happen.

 

[GCK]

Once a level of government is created, it will never be eliminated. We’re stuck with the NCC, as useless as it is, and has always been.

We used to have a Regional Government before amalgamation, and a handful of municipalities, each with their own Mayors and councils, and then the province forced the elimination of Regional council and the creation of the amalgamated City of Ottawa, which was going to reduce the size of all the municipal governments combined ….and rid us of regional government ….. and now we have more municipal employees than what the total of all the previous municipal governments combined, including the regional government.

Of course there are more employees now. The population increase of amalgamated Ottawa is 45% higher today than it was in 2001 at the time of amalgamation.

 

[Senator Stanley]

Well it does look like he did some good legwork, as he managed to dig up Snoop Dog, whereas no one else has.
And looks like his Instgram message confirms it.

It's possible this is the result of vigorous reporting. I think it's more likely that this news came out today because the Sparks group wanted it to come out today.

 

[starling]

I suspect that demolishing multiple blocks of existing historical buildings on Sparks street to build a bland boxy arena, when you have acres of brownfields and surface parking lots within a short walk from there waiting for years to be redeveloped, is not a great start.
Even if your last name is Sparks and you end up with the winning bid.

 

[Tnuoc Alucard]

Of course there are more employees now. The population increase of amalgamated Ottawa is 45% higher today than it was in 2001 at the time of amalgamation.

the ratio of municipal employees per number of residents has dropped, since before amalgamation.

in other words, there are fewer residents per employee than there was since amalgamation…. Even Toronto has a ratio of more residents per municipal employee than Ottawa does

No I don’t have the numbers at my fingertips, but it has been discussed numerous times on local talk radio ever since amalgamation.


the point is whenever government says they are going to shrink the size of government, they may do so prior to an election, but it’s only temporary….. within a short time, governments expand beyond levels that are required, and what they projected, and it usually is always accompanied by a reduction in services.

 

[Nac Mac Feegle]

Too bad RR can't work a bit of magic and pull Snoop away from that snakeoil salesman Sparks. Having Snoop and Reynolds on the same ownership group would be amazing.

 

[Tuna99]

Sparks Street will never be an option for an arena. But we should 100% get rid of the NCC and try to make Sparks Street less depressing. What a useless red-tape organization.

Bayview is probably the right option simply because building there won't hinge on the NCC.

Hear me out:

‘Neko Sparks Street’

????

 

[thinkwild]

One of the appeals of Sparks for the NHL, beyond diversifying the governor's meetings, might be related to the AI and immersive experiences. There is some amazing new stuff being done every day now and the NHL might find that an interesting opportunity to explore even if he doesnt become an NHL owner.

I wonder how AI is being used by the scouting and analytics guys too. There must be some amazing possibilities there. Havent really heard any of them talk about it yet. They say we wont be replaced by an AI. But more likely will be replaced by people who know how to use it.

 

[Tnuoc Alucard]

One of the appeals of Sparks for the NHL, beyond diversifying the governor's meetings, might be related to the AI and immersive experiences. There is some amazing new stuff being done every day now and the NHL might find that an interesting opportunity to explore even if he doesnt become an NHL owner.

I wonder how AI is being used by the scouting and analytics guys too. There must be some amazing possibilities there. Havent really heard any of them talk about it yet. They say we wont be replaced by an AI. But more likely will be replaced by people who know how to use it.

AI has advanced to the point where it will no longer needs people to “use it”… we’re entering a strange new world with the emergence of AI, and most of us are not even aware of it’s current and future capabilities, and how it will affect our lives.

 

[coladin]

I usually tend to agree with your comments, but yeesh.

Ottawa needs to embrace what it has for heritage buildings, not demolish them in lieu of the almighty God's of sports and entertainment.

I'm not gonna sit here and defend the current state of sparks st, we all know it has its challenges and issues, but holy hell, what a bad idea this is.

We literally have a large swath of empty land in the middle of the City. Why on earth would we demolish some of the most beautiful architecture in the city instead? A lot of which is owned and actively used by the Fed... Why not complicate this even more?!

Your idea is akin to demolishing part of lower town, or that one idiots idea on reddit to raze majors Hill park and build the rink there.

Yeah, a bit radical , I'll give you that!

Sparks is dead, and has been for generations. I understand the historic building argument, but I don't see the need to keep them all. That large swath of land has nothing around it, and will continue to have nothing around it after the arena is built. It will be a dump of an area for years and not add anything at all to the "gameday experience". Until they bring in Tim's, Boston Pizza. Montana's, Casey's and Kelsey's and Jack Astor's. Wow?

The arena is better built in an established neighborhod and hard decisions have to be made. They can move federal workers to all the other empty buildings, that is the easiest problem to fix. They can even build on the street itself, and incorporate it better with the buildings they want to keep. Downtown has everything else needed to pull this off. Lebreton has none of it.

 

[Adrianopolous]

Ryan Reynolds is at risk of becoming irrelevant:

 

[senswon]

Wants to grow the game outside of ottawa..... why not just do that without owning a team

 

[coladin]

how many existing building, along Sparks street, need to be demolished, to make room for an arena, and brand new condo towers the perspective owners want to include in their deal with the NCC land ?

How much more will it coast to demolish those (Sparks Street) buildings, and much more time will it take to get the team relocated to the downtown area…. And how much chaos will the demolition and construction be in the Sparks Street area, and for how long?



sorry, but this will never be considered a viable option.

Bayview yards is start to look like a good option

Oh, I know it isn't viable. It is just a dream.

But the arena deal at Sparks would include a parcel of Lebreton land for development

 

[Senator Stanley]

What he's talking about is great, but his interests have nothing to do with the Ottawa Senators or Ottawa, specifically.

 

[coladin]

What he's talking about is great, but his interests have nothing to do with the Ottawa Senators or Ottawa, specifically.

And that is concerning. This group does not care at all about the city or the organization. It is to be expected and the Senators will be just another tool in their belt to implement their ideals and visions. Ottawa is completely dismissed in this conversation.

Disconcerting. And I like Snoop Dog and all he has accomplished. This guy is no dummy. And neither is Sparks. But I can totally see this group solely interested in an arena deal and team, as their billions don't require the real estate play that the other prospective buyers need.

Don't get me wrong, I love his message and visions...but what's in it for us?

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

Ryan Reynolds is at risk of becoming irrelevant:

Love that he's a Lakers fan. Go Lakers!

Maybe he could convince Lebron to get involved. That'd be cool.

 

[Sens Vader]

The Neko Sparks group has The Reuben Brothers(net worth 15 billion) Snoop Dog, and Matthias Nordstrom (close friends with Alfie)

That’s pretty awesome

 

[Adrianopolous]

And that is concerning. This group does not care at all about the city or the organization. It is to be expected and the Senators will be just another tool in their belt to implement their ideals and visions. Ottawa is completely dismissed in this conversation.

Disconcerting. And I like Snoop Dog and all he has accomplished. This guy is no dummy. And neither is Sparks. But I can totally see this group solely interested in an arena deal and team, as their billions don't require the real estate play that the other prospective buyers need.

Don't get me wrong, I love his message and visions...but what's in it for us?

How hands on are you expecting an owner to be? IMO the less you see them the better. Not everyone is Mark Cuban.

 

[Ice-Tray]

Love that he's a Lakers fan. Go Lakers!

Maybe he could convince Lebron to get involved. That'd be cool.

No, that would not be cool. I want nothing to do with Lebron or the lakers!

I would really like the Ottawa senators to be the focal point of the purchase group, not just a platform to launch other stuff from.

 

[Neil Patrick Harris]

How hands on are you expecting an owner to be? IMO the less you see them the better. Not everyone is Mark Cuban.

You don't have to be hands on to give a little perfunctory lip service to the team and market you're trying to buy into.

As I said yesterday in one of these threads, the Remington/Reynolds group is making an effort to ingratiate itself to the community. The Neko Sparks group is not - it comes across as the team just being a means to an end.