Confirmed with Link: Senators are for sale - and it’s a Gong Show

[branch]

It’s been reported that a condition of the sale is that the team must remain in Ottawa. I wonder if any of the bidders will try to insert a “weasel out” clause where if certain conditions arise (multi-year losses, Lebreton deal falling through, etc.) they can apply to relocate to another market.

I think the Sparks group would fight with the league to move it to an American metropolis eventually. It should have been limited to Canadian groups.

 

[Do Make Say Think]

I think the Sparks group would fight with the league to move it to an American metropolis eventually. It should have been limited to Canadian groups.

The League would tell them "nah, we are going to expand there, not relocate you"

 

[Crosside]

Sutcliffe: Ryan Reynolds wants to invest in the Senators and the city of Ottawa

Ottawa Mayor Mark Sutcliffe on his meeting with Ryan Reynolds, how the meeting came to be, what they discussed and new rink ideas.

www.tsn.ca

 

[Ice-Tray]

One thing that I think works great for the league, and I bet they are going to use it, is the opportunity to turn the losing bids into potential buyers of new franchises when they expand again. Rumours are that it’s not that far out, and a room full of people willing to shell out a billion for the Sens, is potentially a room full of people who would buy a new franchise in a major US city.

 

[ColinM]

One thing that I think works great for the league, and I bet they are going to use it, is the opportunity to turn the losing bids into potential buyers of new franchises when they expand again. Rumours are that it’s not that far out, and a room full of people willing to shell out a billion for the Sens, is potentially a room full of people who would buy a new franchise in a major US city.

That reminds me of when Amazon was looking for Headquarters 2.0. Just think about what you can learn and use for other moves with a bid for an existing hockey team.

 

[Cosmix]

I think the Sparks group would fight with the league to move it to an American metropolis eventually. It should have been limited to Canadian groups.

I think the league wants to retain the team in Ottawa because it can be a VG market.

The league does NOT want to move teams as the league can make more money from requiring new teams to pay the $500M+ franchise entry fee for new markets.

I think the Sparks group would fight with the league to move it to an American metropolis eventually. It should have been limited to Canadian groups.

The contract terms are very stringent and moves are not easy to make.

 

[Ice-Tray]

That reminds me of when Amazon was looking for Headquarters 2.0. Just think about what you can learn and use for other moves with a bid for an existing hockey team.

Exactly… Consider; Hey Mr. Sparks, sorry that you lost out on the bid for the team in Ottawa, but hey, let me plant a seed here: give us a couple of years, and we’ll be looking for a group to buy a franchise for Houston, Texas. Does that sound like something you and your group would be interested in?

 

[DueDiligence]

He’s Canadian and has some ties to the city, along with everything else. It really does seem to be a perfect match.

Don’t f*** it up.

The more I learn about Ryan Reynolds the more I want him.............. to be a part of the Sens ownership.

 

[UglyPuckling]

They’re parading Reynolds around way too much for him
not to be involved somehow.

TSN versus Senators (or the NHL I suppose). They're different organizations with different agendas or motivation. Guess it begs the question" "who is they"? Got to figure out how TSN who was the broadcaster benefits. Will TSN gain a benefit if one bidder wins versus the others?

 

[Mingus Dew]

So what have the many millionaires playing for the Senators done for the average working person other than to give them an escape from miserable every day life? In reality nothing but here you are.

I mean the millionaires aren’t really the problem. Auston Matthews is a hell of a lot closer to the average working stiff than he is to Bezos or Musk.

I don’t see any good arguments against taxing billionaires into oblivion other than capital flight but if enough developed countries did it it probably would work out. Academic as it would take a level of diplomacy and global cooperation that is basically a fairytale.

Canada’s problem is that the housing market is f***ed for a variety of reasons. Probably easier to buy property in NYC than Toronto which is just bonkers. Wasn’t a main reason why I left the country but it was part of it, even back then.

 

[Tnuoc Alucard]

Agreed. The only doubt I have is that it's the NHL - and they are notoriously out of touch/detached from current pop culture. And they might not realize how big an opportunity this is for exposure - the kind of exposure that money can't buy.

Keep in mind that this is the same people that decided to keep the NHL out of the Olympics. So if anything, they've already shown a history of valuing today's payout over the future growth of the game.

But my god they can't be dumb enough to let this opportunity to slip away. I'm guessing they are putting on the best poker face they can to Reynolds group and the rest of the bidders while they try to squeeze the group they already chose for as much as possible.

There were a number of studies showing that NHL participation in the Olympics had ZERO positive measurable benefits for the NHL or the growth in Hockey in the NHL.

In fact there could be an argument made that NHL participation in the Olympics had a negative effect on the NHL, and the owners voiced their collective displeasure with participation in the Olympics.

The NHL has grown by two teams and the Senators are going to selling for close to 1 billion USD, all without NHL participation for the better part of the last decade.

Plenty of reasons for NHL to pass on Olympics | NHL.com

History shows Games don't help League

www.nhl.com

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

 

[Tuna99]

The more I learn about Ryan Reynolds the more I want him.............. to be a part of the Sens ownership.

So many people thought Ottawa was a lost cause and now the coolest guy on earth who plays the ultimate underdog action hero and does an amazing show about the underdog of course WANTS TO BUY THE UNDERDOG STORY OF THE NHL

Will be one of the greatest marriages of sports and business and entertainment in history. RR purchase of the Ottawa Senators will re-write the books on buying a sports franchise and what you can do with it at every level.

Recently we’ve had people in Ottawa try and solve the Sens problems by selling us better hot dogs - Ryan Reynolds is going to have people in Mongolia watching and loving the city of Ottawa and buying Tim Stutzle jerseys - Ryan Reynolds is going to do for Ottawa what the Pad-Thai did for Thailand

 

[Tnuoc Alucard]

So many people thought Ottawa was a lost cause and now the coolest guy on earth who plays the ultimate underdog action hero and does an amazing show about the underdog of course WANTS TO BUY THE UNDERDOG STORY OF THE NHL

Will be one of the greatest marriages of sports and business and entertainment in history. RR purchase of the Ottawa Senators will re-write the books on buying a sports franchise and what you can do with it at every level.

Recently we’ve had people in Ottawa try and solve the Sens problems by selling us better hot dogs - Ryan Reynolds is going to have people in Mongolia watching and loving the city of Ottawa and buying Tim Stutzle jerseys - Ryan Reynolds is going to do for Ottawa what the Pad-Thai did for Thailand

Not mention other Dimensions and Alternate Universes

 

[Sun God Nika]

So many people thought Ottawa was a lost cause and now the coolest guy on earth who plays the ultimate underdog action hero and does an amazing show about the underdog of course WANTS TO BUY THE UNDERDOG STORY OF THE NHL

Will be one of the greatest marriages of sports and business and entertainment in history. RR purchase of the Ottawa Senators will re-write the books on buying a sports franchise and what you can do with it at every level.

Recently we’ve had people in Ottawa try and solve the Sens problems by selling us better hot dogs - Ryan Reynolds is going to have people in Mongolia watching and loving the city of Ottawa and buying Tim Stutzle jerseys - Ryan Reynolds is going to do for Ottawa what the Pad-Thai did for Thailand

To be fair alesmi leaving those hot dogs behind is not a bad legacy for me. I love all beef glizzies and couldn’t eat the previous ones because they had pork so huge win there

 

[Golden_Jet]

So many people thought Ottawa was a lost cause and now the coolest guy on earth who plays the ultimate underdog action hero and does an amazing show about the underdog of course WANTS TO BUY THE UNDERDOG STORY OF THE NHL

Will be one of the greatest marriages of sports and business and entertainment in history. RR purchase of the Ottawa Senators will re-write the books on buying a sports franchise and what you can do with it at every level.

Recently we’ve had people in Ottawa try and solve the Sens problems by selling us better hot dogs - Ryan Reynolds is going to have people in Mongolia watching and loving the city of Ottawa and buying Tim Stutzle jerseys - Ryan Reynolds is going to do for Ottawa what the Pad-Thai did for Thailand

Agree, the hot dogs are much better than before.

 

[Tuna99]

To be fair alesmi leaving those hot dogs behind is not a bad legacy for me. I love all beef glizzies and couldn’t eat the previous ones because they had pork so huge win there

It’s a legacy to be proud of for sure, but I bet Ryan Reynolds has 100 better hot dogs already lined up.

Could you imagine how well a deadpool dog would sell.

 

[Samboni]

I hope that the right buyer wins out and that RR is involved. If he’s not involved with Ottawa, then I can easily see him hooking up with another team and that would be very disappointing.

 

[h2]

I hope that the right buyer wins out and that RR is involved. If he’s not involved with Ottawa, then I can easily see him hooking up with another team and that would be very disappointing.

From what the mayor was saying on his TSN1200 interview last week, Reynolds is not interested in owning just any NHL team. He specifically wants to be involved with the Senators because it's one of the smaller markets and breathes into the "us against the world" narrative that was similar to the Wrexham situation. There's local ties as well. It's just a perfect match.

He doesn't want to play a role with the Leafs, or the Rangers, etc. If we don't get Reynolds, I could see him making a play for Arizona or something as it's a similar narrative but without the local ties.

 

[Senator Stanley]

Neko Sparks interview starts at 18 minute mark.

Ottawa At Work with Graham Richardson for Monday April 3rd, 2023 - 580 CFRA

Ottawa At Work with Graham Richardson for Monday April 3rd, 2023 features interviews from these guests; CTV Web Editor Michael Woods John Crupi, CTV News Ottawa Assignment Editor Neko Sparks, Los Angeles-based film producer and entrepreneur; part of a potential bid to own the Ottawa Senators...

omny.fm

 

[Loach]

Neko Sparks interview starts at 18 minute mark.

Ottawa At Work with Graham Richardson for Monday April 3rd, 2023 - 580 CFRA

Ottawa At Work with Graham Richardson for Monday April 3rd, 2023 features interviews from these guests; CTV Web Editor Michael Woods John Crupi, CTV News Ottawa Assignment Editor Neko Sparks, Los Angeles-based film producer and entrepreneur; part of a potential bid to own the Ottawa Senators...

omny.fm

Coles Notes?

 

[Beech]

Ok, so again, first hand knowledge, or you and your napkin, tough choice...

A Montreal area DJ in the 1980's and 90's (much of his work was in studio productions, remember Erin Rand... his producer for a while) was a close relative... a Grammy nominated artist ( long since dead of AIDs) is a relative.

bands want the following; in today's world
1) 1-2 Million... in money
2) 1/2 million in set-up or the promoter picks up that tab
3) the craziest demands... stuff like 100 lbs of strawberries...10 bottle of cristal Champaign. and so on
4) downloads of their music. So a large market. They come in, it causes a buzz, that increases sales
5) 20 K screaming fans for ambiance and to create a buzz
6) smoke 2-3 packs an evening, down enough alcohol to numb. Perform...f*** off back to some resting place to repeat the cycle

2 M up front, plus 500 K set up = 2.5 M
1 M to rent the arena = 3.5 M
1/2 M for the promotor = 4 M

20 K fans at $200 a ticket is needed... floor seating, versus far off seats ~ 3:1

so 5000 floor seats at $400
10,000 prime seats at $200
5,000 rest at $100

5,000 fans in the greater Ottawa area have to pay $400 a pop, plus $15 parking (per share, based on 2 people), $20 inside the area, $20 in transport cost (gas, wear and tear on car).. $500 per person... 5,000 people!!!! and a further 15 K paying more reasonable costs.

if you get 15,000 all told and many are lost at the high end, you will have an empty floor.. the one the band stares at all evening long and you are out $500 a head plus a few thousand sprinkled throughout.. so you could be down 1.25 Million. and the band is pissed off.

At 18 K, you could be down 1/2 million...your company's take and the band is lightly pissed off.

so now, you be a promoter...

One Donald Tarlington , also known as Donald K Donald (Production) once spoke in length about the promotion industry!!! Robert Kraft took over the New England Patriots because their previous owner decided to promote the Jackson Five (Michael) on their early 1990's mega tour. Babe Ruth became a Yankee because his Red Socks owner was a theatre promoter...

After a while bands see cities as nameless, faceless... when you play some 50-100 concerts a year or in any 2 years... you don't give a rats ass as to where... you have the pressure of money, of creative output, of maintaining popularity, of band mates not killing each other, of not drinking yourself into an early grave of bad press, bad reviews, image, appearance.

Bands bust their hump trying to get promoters to book them.. they will take a booking in hell as long as fees are paid. The mega bands have 200-300 cities world wide wanting them and a 52 week year. So the mega acts cater to the large population centers (TO versus Ottawa). the smaller acts will never justify the hockey arena.. that leaves that meaty middle, which now puts the ball in the promoters hands and he has to face the real possibly of a 500 k to 1.25 M loss.

So if you are Mike Fisher's wife, 20 K is a real possibility, you come .... If you are Kenny Chesney... Now what, you better be sure of 20 K. If you are U2, you come to talk to Harper or Trudeau and return once every 10 years.

Ottawa's 1-1.1 million and 1.5 Million eastern Ontario is a few hundred K short of what is needed for mass promotions and a large number of concerts or events at an arena.

20 K at 12-24 times a year is massive. And unlike the Sens who rely on ~ $80 per fan, you need ~ $300 per fan. good luck.

 

[h2]

Coles Notes?

- Group is very well financed.
- Did not confirm or deny The Rock's involvement, but did confirm that they are negotiating with several big celebrities to join the group.
- Wants to bring the fan experience to the next level, make it more immersive.
- Wants to bring the community and team together (heal the damage from the Melnyk years).

That's about it.

 

[Golden_Jet]

A Montreal area DJ in the 1980's and 90's (much of his work was in studio productions, remember Erin Rand... his producer for a while) was a close relative... a Grammy nominated artist ( long since dead of AIDs) is a relative.

bands want the following; in today's world
1) 1-2 Million... in money
2) 1/2 million in set-up or the promoter picks up that tab
3) the craziest demands... stuff like 100 lbs of strawberries...10 bottle of cristal Champaign. and so on
4) downloads of their music. So a large market. They come in, it causes a buzz, that increases sales
5) 20 K screaming fans for ambiance and to create a buzz
6) smoke 2-3 packs an evening, down enough alcohol to numb. Perform...f*** off back to some resting place to repeat the cycle

2 M up front, plus 500 K set up = 2.5 M
1 M to rent the arena = 3.5 M
1/2 M for the promotor = 4 M

20 K fans at $200 a ticket is needed... floor seating, versus far off seats ~ 3:1

so 5000 floor seats at $400
10,000 prime seats at $200
5,000 rest at $100

5,000 fans in the greater Ottawa area have to pay $400 a pop, plus $15 parking (per share, based on 2 people), $20 inside the area, $20 in transport cost (gas, wear and tear on car).. $500 per person... 5,000 people!!!! and a further 15 K paying more reasonable costs.

if you get 15,000 all told and many are lost at the high end, you will have an empty floor.. the one the band stares at all evening long and you are out $500 a head plus a few thousand sprinkled throughout.. so you could be down 1.25 Million. and the band is pissed off.

At 18 K, you could be down 1/2 million...your company's take and the band is lightly pissed off.

so now, you be a promoter...

One Donald Tarlington , also known as Donald K Donald (Production) once spoke in length about the promotion industry!!! Robert Kraft took over the New England Patriots because their previous owner decided to promote the Jackson Five (Michael) on their early 1990's mega tour. Babe Ruth became a Yankee because his Red Socks owner was a theatre promoter...

After a while bands see cities as nameless, faceless... when you play some 50-100 concerts a year or in any 2 years... you don't give a rats ass as to where... you have the pressure of money, of creative output, of maintaining popularity, of band mates not killing each other, of not drinking yourself into an early grave of bad press, bad reviews, image, appearance.

Bands bust their hump trying to get promoters to book them.. they will take a booking in hell as long as fees are paid. The mega bands have 200-300 cities world wide wanting them and a 52 week year. So the mega acts cater to the large population centers (TO versus Ottawa). the smaller acts will never justify the hockey arena.. that leaves that meaty middle, which now puts the ball in the promoters hands and he has to face the real possibly of a 500 k to 1.25 M loss.

So if you are Mike Fisher's wife, 20 K is a real possibility, you come .... If you are Kenny Chesney... Now what, you better be sure of 20 K. If you are U2, you come to talk to Harper or Trudeau and return once every 10 years.

Ottawa's 1-1.1 million and 1.5 Million eastern Ontario is a few hundred K short of what is needed for mass promotions and a large number of concerts or events at an arena.

20 K at 12-24 times a year is massive. And unlike the Sens who rely on ~ $80 per fan, you need ~ $300 per fan. good luck.

Your numbers are off and bad.
No arena concert gets 20,000
Arenas don’t charge 1 million in rent
A concert in Toronto costs the same as one in Ottawa to put on basically.
…..

Just like your numbers were off , on something else you posted. Recommend take a break on numbers,

Didn’t Smashing Pumpkins just sell out 2 shows in Ottawa?

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

- Group is very well financed.
- Did not confirm or deny The Rock's involvement, but did confirm that they are negotiating with several big celebrities to join the group.
- Wants to bring the fan experience to the next level, make it more immersive.
- Wants to bring the community and team together (heal the damage from the Melnyk years).

That's about it.

Ah yes, please do.