Confirmed with Link: Senators are for sale - and it’s a Gong Show

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GARRIOCH: Suitors for the Senators could be seeking more land at LeBreton Flats

The National Capital Commission is hoping to have a lease with the Senators' new owners in place by the fall.

ottawasun.com

There could be potential buyers in the stands this week watching the Senators

As many as four of the groups interested in purchasing the National Hockey League franchise could be in the Canadian Tire Centre this coming week.

ottawasun.com

 

[Loach]

i was gonna say. Gotta admire the self confidence tho. Always be wrong yet still be so confident about it and always coming back for more

No. You don't have to admire it. Nothing admirable about it at all. Like a kid sreaming in Walmart.

 

[Samsquanch]

So what real estate “play” are you attributing to the Current owners?

All I see is the CTC, the parking lot and not much more.



So Ottawa will instantly become a “Top rich team”…. And the rumoured people are just willing to piss away their money, for what?

Let's assume the new owners will be honest with the fans when they hold their first press conference, and not a bunch of sleazy liars.

So imagine a new owner paying close to $1B USD in a bidding war for a hot commodity team that finally just clawed its way out of the gutter, restored some of the confidence in the fanbase, and started to reinvigorated the market and its passion for hockey.

Then on day two or three they hold that first press conference, and they start to outline their plan on how they will run the franchise. And they start talking about strict internal budgets, having no intention of "investing" their own money into the future (ie spending what it takes to build the team up into a consistent winner) until revenue increases proportionally. And that the Ottawa market can expect a frugal group of dreamers with a plan to catch lightning in a bottle someday, and prove that they can win a cup on a tight budget, and a bit of good luck. Like the former owner...

Do you honestly think any of the bidders actually have a business plan that reads anything Iike that above on how they plan to run the team, and win over the fans (ie their source of revenue). Or do you realize the kind of PR nightmare this be for them?

No one is asking for the Sens new owners to spend like the Leafs and Rangers can. But I can 100% promise you the new ownership group will make a point to convince the Senators fans that they no longer cheer for one of the lowest spending teams in the league.

Most teams fans don't even think about "the budget" at all, regardless of their markets size, and thats exactly where we need to get to as a fanbase. Who cares if the Leafs will still have more scouts, or if the Rangers chef is a 5 star and ours is only a 3 star. As long as everyone in hockey ops that needs to get paid does, and our players and fans feel good about the organization and the direction we're moving in. Then that's as good as gold for an owner who likes money.

Every effort will be made to convince the fanbase that a lack of money will not be a deciding factor in hockey decisions anymore. The suffering is over might literally be the name of their first advertising campaign.

That's the one and only key to unlocking this huge hockey markets revenue potential, aside from the arena. It's so stupidly obvious why the team struggled when it did that you can't actually believe the new owners are not lased focused on this fact. Like the road map on what to do and what not do is so easy to follow to get that ROI moving in the right direction.

The Senators are not being saved or in a "beggers cant be chosers" type scenario. Not today. They aren't being auctioned off by the bank from a repossession to a group of half interested people that randomly stumbled in the auction house that day...like how when Melnyk got the team for pennies on the dollar....

And there is no reality where the Sens new owners don't at least on the surface appear to be a group that's sparing no expenses for the on ice results, and have good intentions. And restoring faith in the fanbase priority number one. Period.

TLDR - The new owners, if they truly suck, won't let themselves appear to be villainous until it becomes obvious and undeniable what they are. Being openly cheap will instantly make them public enemy #1 in Ottawa. So therefore they will sell dreams of promise and hope for as long as they can. That's the game and nature of both the hockey and snake oil businesses. But only one of those two are sustainable though. And only time will tell us what we really have under the hood with the new owners.

 

[Silky Johnson]

So glad you agree with the rest of my post, the real estate play, when more land is negotiated, or if another site.

CTC land is a bonus. But the land is close 100 million. Little over a million an acre.
You sell or develop that. Probably more in development if you already own it.

So with the other points. there’s your ROI.
But ya it’s a lot of money upfront.

You are likely correct about the cash value of the land. I would say its worth alot more for development. Really good location off the highway. Triple the value if self developed.

Any extra land given in the Lebreton deal will be worth alot more. Multi Acre parcels of downtown land are otherwise impossible to come by.

They will get the land grand as ultimately in lieu of other support to build the stadium.

 

[Tuna99]

Let's assume the new owners will be honest with the fans when they hold their first press conference, and not a bunch of sleazy liars.

So imagine a new owner paying close to $1B USD in a bidding war for a hot commodity team that finally just clawed its way out of the gutter, restored some of the confidence in the fanbase, and started to reinvigorated the market and its passion for hockey.

Then on day two or three they hold that first press conference, and they start to outline their plan on how they will run the franchise. And they start talking about strict internal budgets, having no intention of "investing" their own money into the future (ie spending what it takes to build the team up into a consistent winner) until revenue increases proportionally. And that the Ottawa market can expect a frugal group of dreamers with a plan to catch lightning in a bottle someday, and prove that they can win a cup on a tight budget, and a bit of good luck. Like the former owner...

Do you honestly think any of the bidders actually have a business plan that reads anything Iike that above on how they plan to run the team, and win over the fans (ie their source of revenue). Or do you realize the kind of PR nightmare this be for them?

No one is asking for the Sens new owners to spend like the Leafs and Rangers can. But I can 100% promise you the new ownership group will make a point to convince the Senators fans that they no longer cheer for one of the lowest spending teams in the league.

Most teams fans don't even think about "the budget" at all, regardless of their markets size, and thats exactly where we need to get to as a fanbase. Who cares if the Leafs will still have more scouts, or if the Rangers chef is a 5 star and ours is only a 3 star. As long as everyone in hockey ops that needs to get paid does, and our players and fans feel good about the organization and the direction we're moving in. Then that's as good as gold for an owner who likes money.

Every effort will be made to convince the fanbase that a lack of money will not be a deciding factor in hockey decisions anymore. The suffering is over might literally be the name of their first advertising campaign.

That's the one and only key to unlocking this huge hockey markets revenue potential, aside from the arena. It's so stupidly obvious why the team struggled when it did that you can't actually believe the new owners are not lased focused on this fact. Like the road map on what to do and what not do is so easy to follow to get that ROI moving in the right direction.

The Senators are not being saved or in a "beggers cant be chosers" type scenario. Not today. They aren't being auctioned off by the bank from a repossession to a group of half interested people that randomly stumbled in the auction house that day...like how when Melnyk got the team for pennies on the dollar....

And there is no reality where the Sens new owners don't at least on the surface appear to be a group that's sparing no expenses for the on ice results, and have good intentions. And restoring faith in the fanbase priority number one. Period.

TLDR - The new owners, if they truly suck, won't let themselves appear to be villainous until it becomes obvious and undeniable what they are. Being openly cheap will instantly make them public enemy #1 in Ottawa. So therefore they will sell dreams of promise and hope for as long as they can. That's the game and nature of both the hockey and snake oil businesses. But only one of those two are sustainable though. And only time will tell us what we really have under the hood with the new owners.

This doesn’t fit the story line from the Melnyck supporters that owning the Senators is a burden, having to wrangle people in Ottawa to see your team play is a pain in the ass, the NHL is a joyless club of owners trying to just stay afloat financially and OTTAWA DOESN’T DESERVE IT UNTIL THEY CAN PROVE TO THESE BILLIONSIRE THAT THEY DO DESERVE IT by ensuring these billionaires stay rich and groveling to his piuos feet.

 

[Tnuoc Alucard]

i was gonna say. Gotta admire the self confidence tho. Always be wrong yet still be so confident about it and always coming back for more

when someone has an opinion, it cannot be wrong.
But anyways, what do you think I’ve been wrong about?
I said Melnyk would never sell the Franchise, and that he would pass it on to his daughters…. These were the words that came out of his mouth numerous times…. And that is exactly what happened, so was I wrong about that?

Back in November, when everyone assumed PD and DJS were going to be fired, early in the new year, when new ownership took over, my opinion was that new ownership would not likely happen as soon as January, and probably much nearer to the end of April…. And that neither PD or DJS would be fired at any time this season….. was my opinion wrong about that ?

was I wrong about my opinion, back in the first week of December when I said the Senators would most likely not make the playoffs, and that they would end up around the 85 point mark?


so just what are you alluding to?
I have no problem with my opinion being proven to be not what has transpired as I assumed, no one is perfect at predicting outcomes that are discussed in this forum…… many people created threads about how PD was never going to be able to sign Chabot, Tkachuk, Batherson or Stutzle to LTC, and they would be poached with offer sheets from other teams…. Because EM would not pay young stars with high cost long term contracts…. Their opinions have not come to fruition.

 

[Tnuoc Alucard]

You are likely correct about the cash value of the land. I would say its worth alot more for development. Really good location off the highway. Triple the value if self developed.

Any extra land given in the Lebreton deal will be worth alot more. Multi Acre parcels of downtown land are otherwise impossible to come by.

They will get the land grand as ultimately in lieu of other support to build the stadium.

No extra land at Lebreton Flats will be “given” to the new owners, if they decide to build on the 6 acres of land, currently identified in the MOU with the NCC…. Perhaps more land will be offered at current market prices, or in exchange for land elsewhere of equal market value.

 

[Golden_Jet]

It’s like talking to the uncle at thanksgiving you see a few times a year and dread it b/c he’s never right about anything and never lets it go.

Must do it on purpose, it’s becoming embarrassing for the person. Bad reading comprehension, it never ends.

 

[Tnuoc Alucard]

Must do it on purpose, it’s becoming embarrassing for the person. Bad reading comprehension, it never ends.

perhaps you can point out where you think I’ve been wrong?

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

when someone has an opinion, it cannot be wrong.
But anyways, what do you think I’ve been wrong about?
I said Melnyk would never sell the Franchise, and that he would pass it on to his daughters…. These were the words that came out of his mouth numerous times…. And that is exactly what happened, so was I wrong about that?

Back in November, when everyone assumed PD and DJS were going to be fired, early in the new year, when new ownership took over, my opinion was that new ownership would not likely happen as soon as January, and probably much nearer to the end of April…. And that neither PD or DJS would be fired at any time this season….. was my opinion wrong about that ?



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was I wrong about my opinion, back in the first week of December when I said the Senators would most likely not make the playoffs, and that they would end up around the 85 point mark?


so just what are you alluding to?
I have no problem with my opinion being proven to be not what has transpired as I assumed, no one is perfect at predicting outcomes that are discussed in this forum…… many people created threads about how PD was never going to be able to sign Chabot, Tkachuk, Batherson or Stutzle to LTC, and they would be poached with offer sheets from other teams…. Because EM would not pay young stars with high cost long term contracts…. Their opinions have not come to fruition.

C'mon now, that part is not true. If say my "opinion" is that the Earth is flat, I'm just a dumb shit being ignorant, I don't get to hide behind calling it an opinion as if it's valid

 

[Loach]

C'mon now, that part is not true. If say my "opinion" is that the Earth is flat, I'm just a dumb shit being ignorant, I don't get to hide behind calling it an opinion as if it's valid

Sooo your opinion is that you're not a dumb shit? Hahahaha. JK!

 

[Big Muddy]

Back in November, when everyone assumed PD and DJS were going to be fired, early in the new year, when new ownership took over

There were HF posters saying that Dorion & DJ would be replaced, but I don't think anyone said anything about it happening "early in the new year". I don't think anyone really knew enough about the specific timeline to make comments like that. And, I do remember a number of people that said that this process could stretch out (I certainly did).

There's all kinds of weird things & ideas in what you post, but inventing straw man arguments and then arguing against them isn't helping your cause.

I can only speak for myself but I'll just wait to see what unfolds. I don't see a good reason not to and why not just enjoy the ride?

 

[Drytoast]

There still isn't a buyer?

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

Sooo your opinion is that you're not a dumb shit? Hahahaha. JK!

Haha well I wouldn't go that far. I'm often a dumb shit. I'm just another human with an ego getting in the way.

 

[Loach]

Haha well I wouldn't go that far. I'm often a dumb shit. I'm just another human with an ego getting in the way.

I'm a dumb shit too! Cheers Brother Dumb Shit! Bahahah

 

[Sun God Nika]

There still isn't a buyer?

No still no buyer , there are some folks who want to buy the team but relocate to Alaska

 

[Golden_Jet]

There still isn't a buyer?

Since you’re not following obviously, 9 bidders has been narrowed down to 6 bidders, and now those 6 are all making visits , to see Ottawa, rink and location of potential sites. Then they will make binding offers.

 

[Wondercarrot]

when someone has an opinion, it cannot be wrong.

This is of course, also wrong.
Opinions can both be stupid, and wrong.

 

[Micklebot]

This is of course, also wrong.
Opinions can both be stupid, and wrong.

That's just your opinion, and opinions can't be wrong....

 

[thinkwild]

They weeded out the pretenders and they are down to 6 bidders? Wow. And that was a brazen process process by the NHL. Asking for bids that they dont have to live up to just to make a statement of how crazy they might get now that the bidding will be for real. And now everyone getting serious has this highball benchmark to work towards.

Still seems somewhat inevitable though that whoever wins isnt going to be looking to make the most beatiful, awesome locale for the city, but rather one that mazimizes the profit per square foot for the winning developers. I guess we'll have to hope city taxes can then focus on making the place a great location.

 

[Silky Johnson]

No extra land at Lebreton Flats will be “given” to the new owners, if they decide to build on the 6 acres of land, currently identified in the MOU with the NCC…. Perhaps more land will be offered at current market prices, or in exchange for land elsewhere of equal market value.

It will be leased at favourable rates. The true value will be MUCH higher particularly for a developer.

The new owners will push for government support to build the stadium. Additional land grants will ultimately be what they give rather then cash. You can see this coming a million miles away.

 

[Tuna99]

Since you’re not following obviously, 9 bidders has been narrowed down to 6 bidders, and now those 6 are all making visits , to see Ottawa, rink and location of potential sites. Then they will make binding offers.

Is it just me or does anyone else find it odd you’d bid $900 million for something but not actually go to the city to see the thing is there. Bizarre

 

[Micklebot]

Is it just me or does anyone else find it odd you’d bid $900 million for something but not actually go to the city to see the thing is there. Bizarre

You think maybe it's a scam and Ottawa Senators are some sort of Nigerian prince?

 

[Tuna99]

You think maybe it's a scam and Ottawa Senators are some sort of Nigerian prince?

Didn’t think of that but yes, the Senators existence certainly Could be the work of a Nigerian Prince

But in a more realistic sense could be a crack down the middle of the CTC that will cost $90 million To repair before next season or the Zamboni is leaking oil - but what do I know.

 

[Masked]

Didn’t think of that but yes, the Senators existence certainly Could be the work of a Nigerian Prince

But in a more realistic sense could be a crack down the middle of the CTC that will cost $90 million To repair before next season or the Zamboni is leaking oil - but what do I know.

You're expecting the new owners to be experts on building inspection and Zambonis?

Assen na yo!