Confirmed with Link: Senators are for sale - and it’s a Gong Show

[Masked]

This very well may be the case…. But a 30 second spot on a Sens broadcast for McDonalds costs an 1/8 of the same spot on Leafs broadcast….. more eyeballs equals higher cost…. So because of Ottawa being a small Canadian market, they reap in fewer dollars in advertising dollars than the larger markets…. Economics 101

The advertising dollars go to TSN, not the Sens or Leafs. TSN pays the team for the broadcasting rights and receives the advertising revenues.

What you're talking about has nothing to do with Economics 101.

assennayo

 

[Golden_Jet]

The advertising dollars go to TSN, not the Sens or Leafs. TSN pays the team for the broadcasting rights and receives the advertising revenues.

What you're talking about has nothing to do with Economics 101.

assennayo

100% correct.

 

[Silky Johnson]

I could see Reynolds being as high as a 25% owner.

The league desperately needs his celebrity status to gain viewership. I think he’d have that much in the bank by now, considering he sold his gym company for 400 million, made buku bux of the Deadpool series and was reportedly set to make 280 million from the sale of Mint Mobile to Verizon/T-Mobile (from what I remember anyways).

I could be wrong but I suspect Reynolds partnered with Remington to get his foot in the door in the commercial real estate game. The condo’s that could be built on the land where the current CTC sits and around the Lebretton Flats area could generate more wealth annually than the team itself.

RR had had a stake in those businesses. His estimated net worth is 150M. Not sure if his Mint money is there but once again he has a stake in Mint.

Even if he is worth 100m more I doubt he sinks his whole net worth into the Sens. I mean what happens to him if there is a significant cash call...

Ryan Reynolds Net Worth and Business Empire Explained

Hollywood star Ryan Reynolds, best known for his work as Deadpool, is also an entrepreneur who has earned millions of dollars from his business ventures.

www.investopedia.com

100% correct.

Well, it's all part of Economics. He just doesn't understand it.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

Again, only a tiny minority on the entire Ottawa fan base thought EM was a shitty owner, and yes most did not think he was the best they could do, and did not allow it to influence them into attending games or not.

Lol. He was well known as a shitty owner and was portrayed as such by the media which made it widely known, but if you want to pretend otherwise, okay.

And sure, how many people were at home spiteful at the man refusing to attend simply because he was an asshole? Impossible to qualify, and not that simple. It was the whole of his tumultuous period that led to a lot of it. By all accounts, the community was ready to embrace the team again this year, which is again due to multiple circumstances, not just Melnyk out of the picture.

 

[Que]

RR had had a stake in those businesses. His estimated net worth is 150M. Not sure if his Mint money is there but once again he has a stake in Mint.

Even if he is worth 100m more I doubt he sinks his whole net worth into the Sens. I mean what happens to him if there is a significant cash call...

Ryan Reynolds Net Worth and Business Empire Explained

Hollywood star Ryan Reynolds, best known for his work as Deadpool, is also an entrepreneur who has earned millions of dollars from his business ventures.

www.investopedia.com

I thought I read Reynolds had a majority share in both Mint and the Gym, as well as a decent portion of Aviation and merchandising royalties from Deadpool.

I kind of just assumed he and Lively hid their wealth. But aside from skimming like 10 articles I’m relatively I’ll informed.

 

[Silky Johnson]

I thought I read Reynolds had a majority share in both Mint and the Gym, as well as a decent portion of Aviation and merchandising royalties from Deadpool.

I kind of just assumed he and Lively hid their wealth. But aside from skimming like 10 articles I’m relatively I’ll informed.

A 150M+ net worth aint bad. NHL teams just cost a lot. That's why he said he needs a Sugar Daddy.

 

[Samboni]

Reynolds’s won’t be using his own money, so his specific net worth isn’t entirely relevant.

 

[boxbox]

Yeah and I remember some saying he should have accepted $450m - crazy

Well inflation has been out of control as well and you see it reflect in prices everywhere. I am a fan of Lego and until like a year ago I often visited their website just to see whats new. I took a peek yesterday and sets that used to be 549.99 are now 649.99.

In general the cost of living in Canada is getting out of control. In what other developed country do you pay almost $500 a month for cable/internet and cell phone service? When normal everyday citizens are stealing groceries because the prices have gotten out of control in a 1st world country then that's all the proof you need.

 

[Golden_Jet]

Well inflation has been out of control as well and you see it reflect in prices everywhere. I am a fan of Lego and until like a year ago I often visited their website just to see whats new. I took a peek yesterday and sets that used to be 549.99 are now 649.99.

In general the cost of living in Canada is getting out of control. In what other developed country do you pay almost $500 a month for cable/internet and cell phone service? When normal everyday citizens are stealing groceries because the prices have gotten out of control in a 1st world country then that's all the proof you need.

Sheesh you should renogiate if you’re actually paying $500, or shop around.

 

[Tnuoc Alucard]

Links to cost of your ad prices.

TSN sells its ads as one channel and not five, all that matters to advertisers is that they're reaching more viewers.

For LOCAL or REGIONAL Sens broadcasts, the ads, in the arena and during commercial breaks only reach a fraction of eyeballs that a regional or local leafs game would…. Anyone advertising during a local or regional Sens game would pay a significantly lower rate that their exact same ad would cost during a leaf game.

1/3 of population of Canada lives within a three hour drive of Toronto, and the vast majority would be leaf fans, so my guess would be at least four times as many viewers would tune into a local or regional leafs game vs a regional or local Sens game.


anyone who thinks that Ford pays the same rate for the same ad in both markets ( local or regional ) is out t lunch.

 

[YouGotAStuGoing]

For LOCAL or REGIONAL Sens broadcasts, the ads, in the arena and during commercial breaks only reach a fraction of eyeballs that a regional or local leafs game would…. Anyone advertising during a local or regional Sens game would pay a significantly lower rate that their exact same ad would cost during a leaf game.

1/3 of population of Canada lives within a three hour drive of Toronto, and the vast majority would be leaf fans, so my guess would be at least four times as many viewers would tune into a local or regional leafs game vs a regional or local Sens game.


anyone who thinks that Ford pays the same rate for the same ad in both markets ( local or regional ) is out t lunch.

Do you have any evidence for your claims, or are they based on gut feeling?

 

[Tnuoc Alucard]

The advertising dollars go to TSN, not the Sens or Leafs. TSN pays the team for the broadcasting rights and receives the advertising revenues.

What you're talking about has nothing to do with Economics 101.

assennayo

Why is it so hard to understand? The in house arena ads, that are seen on TV during televised games, are paid to the Senators.

example: Tim Hortons, pays to have their ads on the boards, pop ups, virtual or actual….

economics 101 would tell you that the rate to reach a Senators viewing audience, for a locally broadcastEd game, is much lower than the same ads would cost when used on a leafs locally televised game.

this is common sense

 

[Tnuoc Alucard]

Do you have any evidence for your claims, or are they based on gut feeling?

think About it. Why do ads, televised during the Super Bowl cost so much?

Anyone and their dog will tell you it size of the audience they are seen by…. and advertisers pay up for that.

everyone knows thi……

Do you actually think a local Ford dealer pays the exact same rate, for a 30 second ad, during a Sens game, as a Toronto Ford dealer does during a leafs game?

 

[Masked]

Why is it so hard to understand? The in house arena ads, that are seen on TV during televised games, are paid to the Senators.

example: Tim Hortons, pays to have their ads on the boards, pop ups, virtual or actual….

economics 101 would tell you that the rate to reach a Senators viewing audience, for a locally broadcastEd game, is much lower than the same ads would cost when used on a leafs locally televised game.

this is common sense

It's hard to understand because I'm not psychic and can't pretend what you are going to change your argument to after I've replied. When I replied it was "a 30 second spot on a Sens broadcast for McDonalds" but now you've changed that to "in house arena ads". Are you being intentionally dishonest or did you just forget what you posted earlier today?

Maybe you should take an economics course so that you can understand what economics 101 really is because you really don't seem to have a clue right now.

assennayo

 

[Tuna99]

I could see Reynolds being as high as a 25% owner.

The league desperately needs his celebrity status to gain viewership. I think he’d have that much in the bank by now, considering he sold his gym company for 400 million, made buku bux of the Deadpool series and was reportedly set to make 280 million from the sale of Mint Mobile to Verizon/T-Mobile (from what I remember anyways).

I could be wrong but I suspect Reynolds partnered with Remington to get his foot in the door in the commercial real estate game. The condo’s that could be built on the land where the current CTC sits and around the Lebretton Flats area could generate more wealth annually than the team itself.

Are they part of that land package though? The arena is only 4 acres which is just enough for an arena and that’s it, you don’t get the condo package with it like the rendez-vous Lebreton bids did

 

[Tnuoc Alucard]

It's hard to understand because I'm not psychic and can't pretend what you are going to change your argument to after I've replied. When I replied it was "a 30 second spot on a Sens broadcast for McDonalds" but now you've changed that to "in house arena ads". Are you being intentionally dishonest or did you just forget what you posted earlier today?

g Maybe you should take an economics course so that you can understand what economics 101 really is because you really don't seem to have a clue right now.

assennayo

Perhaps you should put yourself into the shoes of an advertiser, who places the same commercial, on a Sens regionally televised game (McDonalds, Tim Hortons) and the same commercial on a Leafs regionally televised game ….. and being asked to pay the same rate to reach 200,000 viewers as it would cost to reach 1,000,000 viewers.

this applies to both in-house/rink boards advertising as well. Would also like to point out the new technology that allows local advertisers to purchase in house/ rink boards ads for away games… this is a plus for ad revenues, because the Sens can sell all 82 games now.

 

[Masked]

Perhaps you should put yourself into the shoes of an advertiser, who places the same commercial, on a Sens regionally televised game (McDonalds, Tim Hortons) and the same commercial on a Leafs regionally televised game ….. and being asked to pay the same rate to reach 200,000 viewers as it would cost to reach 1,000,000 viewers.

this applies to both in-house/rink boards advertising as well. Would also like to point out the new technology that allows local advertisers to purchase in house/ rink boards ads for away games… this is a plus for ad revenues, because the Sens can sell all 82 games now.

I'll repeat myself because you seemed to miss it the first time I posted it. The Sens don't sell the advertising that appears on the broadcasts. TSN does.

assennayo

 

[Micklebot]

I'll repeat myself because you seemed to miss it the first time I posted it. The Sens don't sell the advertising that appears on the broadcasts. TSN does.

assennayo

The digital adds that we see now are done a bit differently, from what I understand the league gets institutional time, the broadcasters get time and the team get to sell some too. A bit of a hybrid model if you will.

Remember, the boards used to be entirely team ad revenue that got picked up on the broadcast whether the broadcaster liked it or not. The digital ads are a league development, not a broadcaster one, (NHL spent tens of millions over 7 years developing the technology with their partner) so the league is actually selling this as an add on to the broadcasters, it's not the broadcasters usurping teams board ads.

 

[Que]

Are they part of that land package though? The arena is only 4 acres which is just enough for an arena and that’s it, you don’t get the condo package with it like the rendez-vous Lebreton bids did

As it currently stands I do not believe so but I expect it eventually to be. I’m not the most well versed on the subject but the soil remediation costs are pretty extreme and with the upward pressure on the housing markets and the government itself I expect some sort of exception for the builders from the feds.

 

[Beech]

As it currently stands I do not believe so but I expect it eventually to be. I’m not the most well versed on the subject but the soil remediation costs are pretty extreme and with the upward pressure on the housing markets and the government itself I expect some sort of exception for the builders from the feds.

Basically, you dig the soil out. In Ottawa, we have very little top soil. It is mostly clay. That is heavy, but not insanely so. It is dense, but not rock. So, by meter 2, you have reached the rock. That gets trucked and off to plants for cleaning. That cleaning is a series of washes and then bacteria to eat away at stuff in there. Not a big deal.

Arenas need a solid 10-20 M deep holes. You are digging serious rock. But now you may be below the water line. Think what is 200 M north and is about 10 M below grade. So, you have to have pumps working 24/7 and evacuating the water, not back to the river, but to holding tanks, which then get emptied at the cleaning plants. Can you imagine a few thousand Liters a day. Now, If I am wrong and this can easily be checked. If the river is deeper down, at say 20 M.. No real issues. You evacuate the 2 M of earth/clay. And no real issue with soil remediation.

Digging out 18 M of rock and hauling that????? Wahhhhh

So, they pass it off as toxic and get the Feds to pony up as 'environmental'...

If a combo of rock and clay/soil and WATER....OOOH WAH...

Has anyone seen the geo report?

 

[Golden_Jet]

Basically, you dig the soil out. In Ottawa, we have very little top soil. It is mostly clay. That is heavy, but not insanely so. It is dense, but not rock. So, by meter 2, you have reached the rock. That gets trucked and off to plants for cleaning. That cleaning is a series of washes and then bacteria to eat away at stuff in there. Not a big deal.

Arenas need a solid 10-20 M deep holes. You are digging serious rock. But now you may be below the water line. Think what is 200 M north and is about 10 M below grade. So, you have to have pumps working 24/7 and evacuating the water, not back to the river, but to holding tanks, which then get emptied at the cleaning plants. Can you imagine a few thousand Liters a day. Now, If I am wrong and this can easily be checked. If the river is deeper down, at say 20 M.. No real issues. You evacuate the 2 M of earth/clay. And no real issue with soil remediation.

Digging out 18 M of rock and hauling that????? Wahhhhh

So, they pass it off as toxic and get the Feds to pony up as 'environmental'...

If a combo of rock and clay/soil....OOOH WAH...

Has anyone seen the geo report?

The other pits down there were much deeper than 2 metres before limestone.

I believe the original estimates were 1 - 1 1/2 years to clean up the land.

 

[Beech]

The other pits down there were much deeper than 2 metres before limestone.

I believe the original estimates were 1 - 1 1/2 years to clean up the land.

Yea. We installed a stormwater unit in Armprior. Only a few meters from the river. You are right, it was mostly earth. They had to install large anti cave-in walls.

Okay so 10 M of clay/earth. We are talking a few thousand truck hauls. Now re-enforce with walls to prevent collapse. Test the rock to make sure no pockets of toxic water. Possibly wash and haul away.

Okay..I see it.

then dig the last 10 M.

What the hell is the land a good 200-300 M away be like? and what did they tunnel the LRT through? That station cannot be the cleanest?

 

[Beech]

The advertising dollars go to TSN, not the Sens or Leafs. TSN pays the team for the broadcasting rights and receives the advertising revenues.

What you're talking about has nothing to do with Economics 101.

assennayo

Hey Tranquilo,

how does it work in terms of revenue vis a vie popularity of a single event or small series of events?

When the Sens went on their Hamburgler run, you have to figure the audienceship was bigger. And possibly reaching broader audiences throughout Canada.

Is advertising based upon immediate viewership, or is that a benefit to the advertiser?

So if you sell an ad on the assumption 100,000 people are watching and for some reason 300,000 watch..is there a correction, or is it: Hey "Thanks", we paid, say 1/3 less for the benefit we get.

 

[Golden_Jet]

Daly on McCowan podcast on weekend.

Background and vetting on interested parties pretty much done.

Sounds like bids can start within a week,
Several weeks of bids, then he said we’ll see what bids come in, and then we’ll see where we are at that point.

You look at money, structure, synergies and value has a number of ways in which it can be defined.

 

[coladin]

The other pits down there were much deeper than 2 metres before limestone.

I believe the original estimates were 1 - 1 1/2 years to clean up the land.

For sure . It is going to be expensive.

A big part of the contamination are buried oil tanks which then leak. A lot of times, they start digging and then have to chase it to get it all out. I had one of my properties where it was 100k to remediate and it turned into almost 400k…they just kept finding it