GDT: Semifinal • Sweden vs. Finland pt 2

[Petskuta]

Never forget, we had the same problem 2014.

The 2014 final game was another example of the Finnish media and blue-and-white-eyed crazy fans taking the ref complaining too far. In the 2014 final we got outworked and outskated for large stretches, leading to many penalties, but managed to pull out the win. The maker of the video happened to leave out probably the most blatant missed call in the whole game when Mikko Vainonen elbowed a Swedish d-man out of nowhere, which you can see at the 2:00 min mark of the highlight video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wdBYV00JMlM

The whining seems to always strengthen when things don't go our way. But that situation alone could have doomed us in that game with a major penalty, instead we got away with nothing. So that kinda nullifies any point anybody is trying to make that the referees gave us bad calls because they always go both ways. Clear thinking seems to always get lost in these situations.

The same goes for today - when the calls go our way, the urgency of changing the refereeing seems to stop suddenly I, for one, think today's calls were bad and the reffing standards should improve in the future so we could be spared from the future whining of the same fans.

Good game, Sweden, best of luck. Even with the calls, we had the edge today.

 

[aphyro]

I understood what he meant and that joke was stupid.

Good luck and get the bronze.

Likewise! Good luck and get the gold

This game was another example of the Finnish media and blue-and-white-eyed crazy fans taking the ref complaining too far. In the 2014 final we got outworked and outskated for large stretches, leading to many penalties, but managed to pull out the win. The maker of the video happened to leave out probably the most blatant missed call in the whole game when Mikko Vainonen elbowed a Swedish d-man out of nowhere, which you can see at the 2:00 min mark of the highlight video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wdBYV00JMlM

The whining seems to always strengthen when things don't go our way. But that situation alone could have doomed us in that game with a major penalty, instead we got away with nothing. So that kinda nullifies any point anybody is trying to make that the referees gave us bad calls because they always go both ways. Clear thinking seems to always get lost in these situations.

The same goes for today - when the calls go our way, the urgency of changing the refereeing seems to stop suddenly I, for one, think today's calls were bad and the reffing standards should improve in the future so we could be spared from the future whining of the same fans.

Good game, Sweden, best of luck. Even with the calls, we had the edge today.

That elbow more looks like a shoulder to me

 

[Ville231]

So much for the superior Group A...

 

[BB88]

Jalonen will be head coach of Jokerit starting next season. Its not unheard of for a player to follow a coach they felt was good for them. AHL can be a really crappy place for a player to be in. The best European organization, Jokerit, would most likely be a better place to develop at so young age. IF they are good enough to get proper roster spots.

Laine&Pulju will likely be top3 picks and Juolevi a top10 pick, Laines' goal is to play in the NHL right away and the GM's who pick those will very likely want to keep a close eye on them.
They are elite/top prospects that teams will build around.

AHL is not crappy place to be, Rantanen is developing nicely there and looking to be NHL ready, Nylander is developing nicely, Pasta developed very well there.
It's a different game in NA and AHL is a good place to get used to it.

 

[King 88]

3 shots in 3rd those damm refs ruined swedens come back

 

[Prins Filip]

Is Ilta Sanomats journalist Vesa Rantanen any good? I saw that he did rant against the refs too, for this game but also a bit in general (Fin - Rus in Belorussia).

He could be good if he would still be a true journalist, but he just happens to be a provocating narcistic besserwisser. He makes everything black and white depending on his own opinion and the mood of the day. And its all about hindsight. Nowadays his opinion depends on "how to maximize clicks" -principle.

 

[aessi]

Laine&Pulju will likely be top3 picks and Juolevi a top10 pick, Laines' goal is to play in the NHL right away and the GM's who pick those will very likely want to keep a close eye on them.
They are elite/top prospects that teams will build around.

AHL is not crappy place to be, Rantanen is developing nicely there and looking to be NHL ready, Nylander is developing nicely, Pasta developed very well there.
It's a different game in NA and AHL is a good place to get used to it.

I think it depends on the player, to me it looks like Laine would be more ready to NHL and AHL wouldnt benefit him like players like Teräväinen, Rantanen or Kapanen who need to adjust to NHL. Playing in big role in KHL or Liiga can also be more benefical. For opposite examples we have Lehtinen, Selänne, S. Koivu, Lehterä, Komarov etc. Then we have examples from KHL, some players adjust really well and some guys just take more time.

 

[Jussi]

Jalonen will be head coach of Jokerit starting next season. Its not unheard of for a player to follow a coach they felt was good for them. AHL can be a really crappy place for a player to be in. The best European organization, Jokerit, would most likely be a better place to develop at so young age. IF they are good enough to get proper roster spots.

Juolevi is more likely to spend another season with London which would be just fine as he needs to grow physically (he's really skinny) before he's ready for NHL or men's games. Laine also needs to develop in Liiga, KHL would be too great of a step for him.

 

[Jussi]

I think it depends on the player, to me it looks like Laine would be more ready to NHL and AHL wouldnt benefit him like players like Teräväinen, Rantanen or Kapanen who need to adjust to NHL. Playing in big role in KHL or Liiga can also be more benefical. For opposite examples we have Lehtinen, Selänne, S. Koivu, Lehterä, Komarov etc. Then we have examples from KHL, some players adjust really well and some guys just take more time.

Nope. Endurance levels, use of size against adult players, two way paly, consistency, all aspects better refined in Liiga where there's more time to train during the season than in KHL.

 

[moon*]

Surprise, surprise another win for Finland thanks to the refs. MVP for the team this year for sure.

 

[Mahonkinen]

Surprise, surprise another win for Finland thanks to the refs. MVP for the team this year for sure.

GG sweds, take that bronze! Want to see all medals in old country.

 

[sepHF]

3 shots in 3rd those damm refs ruined swedens come back

Refs were pretty awful though

 

[BB88]

Nope. Endurance levels, use of size against adult players, two way paly, consistency, all aspects better refined in Liiga where there's more time to train during the season than in KHL.

Laine will be in NA next year, there's 10months time for them to develop, that is huge and he wants to be there and Gm's will gladly keep an close eye for their top3(potential) draft pick.

I know that for fans it would be nice to see them here for 1 more season.
You are highly underrating them, Pasta dominated AHL right away while being 18y and 170lbs, Laine will be 6'4 somewhere around 210-220.

Surprise, surprise another win for Finland thanks to the refs. MVP for the team this year for sure.

Pretty good if 1 bad call in the middle of the game kills the Swedes completely, and you can watch the Canada game again and the horrible reffing for both sides.
In the 1st 10minutes of the 3rd we had 3 penalties while leading and Canada got 2 pp goals in the 3rd, sounds like reffs were on our side

 

[Plural]

He could be good if he would still be a true journalist, but he just happens to be a provocating narcistic besserwisser. He makes everything black and white depending on his own opinion and the mood of the day. And its all about hindsight. Nowadays his opinion depends on "how to maximize clicks" -principle.

Yeah. Which is sad, since the guy used to be pretty original and good hockey journalist. Nowdays, he's just annoyance.

 

[teugen]

The 2014 final game was another example of the Finnish media and blue-and-white-eyed crazy fans taking the ref complaining too far. In the 2014 final we got outworked and outskated for large stretches, leading to many penalties, but managed to pull out the win. The maker of the video happened to leave out probably the most blatant missed call in the whole game when Mikko Vainonen elbowed a Swedish d-man out of nowhere, which you can see at the 2:00 min mark of the highlight video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wdBYV00JMlM

The whining seems to always strengthen when things don't go our way. But that situation alone could have doomed us in that game with a major penalty, instead we got away with nothing. So that kinda nullifies any point anybody is trying to make that the referees gave us bad calls because they always go both ways. Clear thinking seems to always get lost in these situations.

The same goes for today - when the calls go our way, the urgency of changing the refereeing seems to stop suddenly I, for one, think today's calls were bad and the reffing standards should improve in the future so we could be spared from the future whining of the same fans.

Good game, Sweden, best of luck. Even with the calls, we had the edge today.

Definitely should have been called. Minor I say. Although it was a shoulder. But the clear open ice hip check etc.? Really bad reffing, don't care who had the benefit of it, but it was horrible. IIHF reffing seems to suck ass so badly.

Oh and I felt bad for the swedes when that hit got away from the refs.

 

[perstakli]

Extra note: Laine was very active on the forecheck and in his own zone. Very nice to see that he can be useful even when not scoring.

Yeah, very impressed with this. Considering his pedigree and reputation, it would not be a surprise if all he did was hang out on the line waiting for a break out pass while the opponent has the puck. But no way, Laine was at times the lowest defender and always there to help out.

And questionable reffing? I could sort of get on board with that if those situations went 10-0 to Finland, but as it was it was pretty much 2-1. That's just not enough to turn any game. Game could've ended up either way.

Maybe it was a question of shared experiences and the faith in the team to pull through? Jalonen/Stögö referred to it before the game, and (I think) Rantanen referred to it after, this was the 5th time in the tournament that Finland went behind and came out on top in the end. As for Sweden, this was the first time they went behind, and Rantanen (again, not sure but one of the players) said that he felt that the Swedes immediately started holding their sticks much tighter after Finland took the lead. Small thing, probably, but in a game with such tight margins I'm sure it played a big role.

 

[canswetoxic]

Geeez, don't know whats the hype about this Laine Aho Puljujärvi. They dominated world junior doesn't mean they will play well in NHL. And some posters even talked about they are going to play NHL next season and gonna be big super star blah blah blahy blah.

I just want to puke. brrrrrrrrrr.

Be realistic.

 

[llwyd]

I don't know - I think these things even out in the long run, and in the heat of the battle it's always easy to get things out of proportion, like both in Malmö and Minsk - and yesterday. But I would still say that it seems rather silly to say that there was nothing there: I don't think that all the penalties in Malmö and Minsk were in line with the spirit of the match, and yesterday Sweden did really suffer a couple of times. But in all of those cases the better team did win - and yes, also in Malmö: the Swedes were cycling like mad in corners and shooting from off-sector and Finland's team defence was most of the time in secure control of our area. And we scored when we had the chances, Sweden didn't and that tends to lead to justified loss in hockey.

 

[Chimpradamus]

The first goal was not on the pp iirc?

No, but it was a direct result of the penalty. They didn't have time to change (long line change) and were very tired after a long PK shift.

I don't know what infuriates me more, that every ****ing Finnish coach starts playing the pure trap with an entire period to play with a measly one goal lead, or that no Swedish junior team ever has the skill and focus to beat it. That strategy should never have been invented, thanks Djurgården.

It doesn't matter if defense is the weak part if you have five defensemen. All in all, it doesn't surprise me the Swedes only had 3 shots on goal in the third, they played without focus and the trap isn't easy at all to play against.

 

[FinPanda]

It was a new situation for the Swedes when they were losing and couldn't come back. They haven't had hard times and it showed.

 

[Jarey Curry]

Never forget, we had the same problem 2014.

Sweden aint got a thing for us after that video and Russia cant complain either after they lose tonight because of what happened in finals 2014.. Like Tamminen said "let the players decide"

 

[Jarey Curry]

And Patrik Laine is on his way but still needs seasoning in the Liiga, cause if you think about it Matthews is almost a year older and he hasnt rushed in the nhl yet..

 

[Plural]

And Patrik Laine is on his way but still needs seasoning in the Liiga, cause if you think about it Matthews is almost a year older and he hasnt rushed in the nhl yet..

What?

Matthews is not drafted yet. He can't play even if he want's to.

 

[Eye of Ra]

sweden was missing ollas mattsson, nylander and aho.

with this guys, we would have won.

 

[Matti_A]

No, but it was a direct result of the penalty. They didn't have time to change (long line change) and were very tired after a long PK shift.

I don't know what infuriates me more, that every ****ing Finnish coach starts playing the pure trap with an entire period to play with a measly one goal lead, or that no Swedish junior team ever has the skill and focus to beat it. That strategy should never have been invented, thanks Djurgården.

It doesn't matter if defense is the weak part if you have five defensemen. All in all, it doesn't surprise me the Swedes only had 3 shots on goal in the third, they played without focus and the trap isn't easy at all to play against.

This is so funny in all it's irony, a Swede complaining that other nations trap. Nice to see you guys get a taste of your own medicine.

You guys basically invented the trap or "styrspel" and implemented it for decades at the senior level. Every time Sweden took the lead you would go into goal prevention mode and try to stifle any offense from the opposition and bore everyone to death with your puck control. Playing Sweden you knew the game was over if they had a one goal lead or more heading into the third.