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Is he doing stuff in this game or is he invisible? He hasn't been on the ice for a Ranger goal either? lol
Depends on the game. It's like instead of waking up as a bug, he woke up and can't score.
Second impressions of Marty St. Louis (Mod warning in OP)
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Depends on the game. It's like instead of waking up as a bug, he woke up and can't score.
AlternateSideParking
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In the 14 games, i recall maybe five or six instances where he was robbed, and one was an empty net.
Chris Higgins hit 235645 posts in his short tenure here. He was a guy who was snakebitten.
MSL is not playing like an all star. Hes playing like a role player who creates or receives two or three chances a game.
The team is winning now, Nash came through tonight, but they have been playing mostly crappy teams and bubble teams since the trade with a few exceptions like San Jose, Phoenix, and Minnesota. If the team was losing now, and were on the bubble and MSL was not producing then it would be even more heated toward MSL. Right now no one should really care.
SingnBluesOnBroadway
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Jabroni
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The Metamorphasuck. I hope he wakes up soon. Up until now, I am still not seeing the elite player that was supposed to come to us from Tampa.
broadwayblue
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Killem Dafoe
Hold my baby, man.
in retrospect, I'm not sure how I feel about this trade. I was able to convince myself that the picks were alright for another year of this guy. He's an amazing player with outstanding talent. Always thrived in Tampa and lead the team every single game. True star player. I'm absolutely flabbergasted right now. It's fun to joke around about big name players crapping out when they come here, but this fits the meme so perfectly that all you can do is throw your hands up and laugh at this point.
I still think he turns it around, but hot damn this is getting silly.
I still think he turns it around, but hot damn this is getting silly.
Emptyvoid
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Makes you never want to trade for an established elite player again, not with Sather at the helm at least.
BBKers
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Updated stats since trade
NYR Record since the St Louis trade
9 - 4 - 1
All four of these losses were lowscoring, one goal (add one EN goal) games that could/should have given a point on a team desperate for a playoff spot.
Total is 43 goals scored - 26 goals against since the trade (3,07 GF/game, 1,86 GA/game)
Before trade goal differential was 162 GF and 157 GA in 62 GP (2,62 GF/game, 2,53 GA/game)
Rangers are at 42-30-4 averaging 1,13 PPG. Before the trade Rangers were 33-26-3 and averaged 1,11 PPG. Rangers have averaged 1,36 PPG after it.
So both offense, defense and record have all improved since the trade. Hank has more or less stood on his head here (exempt Calgary).
This is all good. Very good! Team wise, of course.
However The Big 3:s production has dropped significantly in this span. Stats are::
R Nash 14 GP - 6 G - 2 A - 8 Pts - 0,57 PPG pace (before trade 40 GP - 19 G - 10 A - 29 P - 0,725 PPG). Salary = $7.800.000. Caphit = $7.800.000
Beaver 14 GP - 2 G - 3 A - 5 Pts - 0,36 PPG pace (before trade 62 GP - 16 G - 28 A - 44 P - 0,71 PPG ). Salary = $9.000.000. Caphit = $6.666.667
MSL 14 GP - 0 G - 3 A - 3 Pts - 0,21 PPG pace (before trade 62 GP - 29 G - 32 A - 61 P - 1,00 PPG). Salary = $6,500,000. Caphit = $5,625,000
TOTAL 42 GP - 8 G - 8 A - 16 Pts - 0,33 PPG pace (before trade 164 GP - 64 G - 50 A - 134 Pts - 0,82 PPG). Salary = $23.300.000. Caphit = $20.091.667
The Big 3 has 16 points and 8 goals since the Cally trade - of a total of 43 NYR goals scored SINCE the DEADLINE (IE 18,6% of goals scored)
Point totals for The Big 3 are 16 out of a total of 109 points (14,7%) in the relative 14 game span.
NYR point totals since the trade:
This really illustrates how bad The Big 3s production has been IMO.
The Big 3:s cap hit is however at $20.091.667 of $55.654.658 of the total hit of roster players not playing in goal. That means that their cap hit is 36,1% of this available space. This also includes all the defensemen. % cap numbers for these 3 players against the teams forwards are much worse.
This is no longer a small sample size. The "to go guys" have been MIA. Need to show up for the POs!
A bit out there but I post it anyways: Numbers for Ryan Callahan are 45 GP - 11 G - 14 A - 25 Pts (0,56 PPG) before the trade and 13 GP - 5G - 4 A- 9 Pts (0,69 PPG) since it occurred. Callahan has put up more points that Richards and MSL have done combined - in less games played. Or more points than Rick Nash albeit the same amount of goals scored. Tampa has lost two games in regulation since the trade going 7-2-4 (1,38 PPG).
NYR Record since the St Louis trade
9 - 4 - 1
All four of these losses were lowscoring, one goal (add one EN goal) games that could/should have given a point on a team desperate for a playoff spot.
Total is 43 goals scored - 26 goals against since the trade (3,07 GF/game, 1,86 GA/game)
Before trade goal differential was 162 GF and 157 GA in 62 GP (2,62 GF/game, 2,53 GA/game)
Rangers are at 42-30-4 averaging 1,13 PPG. Before the trade Rangers were 33-26-3 and averaged 1,11 PPG. Rangers have averaged 1,36 PPG after it.
So both offense, defense and record have all improved since the trade. Hank has more or less stood on his head here (exempt Calgary).
This is all good. Very good! Team wise, of course.
However The Big 3:s production has dropped significantly in this span. Stats are::
R Nash 14 GP - 6 G - 2 A - 8 Pts - 0,57 PPG pace (before trade 40 GP - 19 G - 10 A - 29 P - 0,725 PPG). Salary = $7.800.000. Caphit = $7.800.000
Beaver 14 GP - 2 G - 3 A - 5 Pts - 0,36 PPG pace (before trade 62 GP - 16 G - 28 A - 44 P - 0,71 PPG ). Salary = $9.000.000. Caphit = $6.666.667
MSL 14 GP - 0 G - 3 A - 3 Pts - 0,21 PPG pace (before trade 62 GP - 29 G - 32 A - 61 P - 1,00 PPG). Salary = $6,500,000. Caphit = $5,625,000
TOTAL 42 GP - 8 G - 8 A - 16 Pts - 0,33 PPG pace (before trade 164 GP - 64 G - 50 A - 134 Pts - 0,82 PPG). Salary = $23.300.000. Caphit = $20.091.667
The Big 3 has 16 points and 8 goals since the Cally trade - of a total of 43 NYR goals scored SINCE the DEADLINE (IE 18,6% of goals scored)
Point totals for The Big 3 are 16 out of a total of 109 points (14,7%) in the relative 14 game span.
NYR point totals since the trade:
- D Stepan (14)
- R McDonaugh (12)
- M Zuccarello (10 - in 12 games)
- C Hagelin (9)
- R Nash (8)
- D Brassard (6)
- D Moore (6)
- C Kreider (5 - in 11 games)
- K Klein (5)
- D Girardi (5)
- B Richards (5)
- B Pouliot (5)
- B Boyle (4)
- A Stralman (3)
- J Moore (3 in 9 games)
- MSL (3)
- R Diaz (2 in 5 games)
- D Dorsett (2 in 7 games)
- M Staal (2)
- D Carcillo (0)
This really illustrates how bad The Big 3s production has been IMO.
The Big 3:s cap hit is however at $20.091.667 of $55.654.658 of the total hit of roster players not playing in goal. That means that their cap hit is 36,1% of this available space. This also includes all the defensemen. % cap numbers for these 3 players against the teams forwards are much worse.
This is no longer a small sample size. The "to go guys" have been MIA. Need to show up for the POs!
A bit out there but I post it anyways: Numbers for Ryan Callahan are 45 GP - 11 G - 14 A - 25 Pts (0,56 PPG) before the trade and 13 GP - 5G - 4 A- 9 Pts (0,69 PPG) since it occurred. Callahan has put up more points that Richards and MSL have done combined - in less games played. Or more points than Rick Nash albeit the same amount of goals scored. Tampa has lost two games in regulation since the trade going 7-2-4 (1,38 PPG).
LittleKev6D9
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Change is good.
It was a horribly conceived trade for a number of reasons: MSL's age, size (not that it's necessarily an issue on its own, but it is given the other players on the Rangers' roster), position (for the love of all that's holy why did we need another RW?) and the fact that we should not be trading away picks in addition to Callahan (and we shouldn't have had to do so, given that this is the only team he wanted to come to). Even if he were scoring at a decent clip I'd still say it was an abomination.
Now it's... well, um, what's worse than an abomination?
Now it's... well, um, what's worse than an abomination?
Still firmly believe he'll find his groove before the season's up and will be great in the playoffs but until then.........what the **** lirl
One Winged Angel
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Too bad I can't understand it, although trying to read it in that language is hilarious.
SA16
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We are winning, playing well, and especially playing awesome D. This is good enough for now. I will complain if we start losing and he is still doing nothing.
Somehow, I doubt you would have posted this if MSL was tearing it up.
MSL will turn it around. Hopefully just when the playoffs start.
JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK
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This is my thought process as well. Yes, it's frustrating to deal with trading our captain and some valuable picks for an aging player who requested a trade in the first place, although I was personally behind the trade at the time, and still am. I am confident that this is just a funk, and that he will snap out of it sometime soon. he really hasn't been playing poorly, although he absolutely MUST be stronger on the puck. We really need a guy he can tee up for one timers. We don't have a forward like that up front, and it's one of our biggest problems offensively.
As you said, at the moment it really isn't that big of a deal with the way the team has been playing, but if he pulls something like this in the playoffs, then I'll start to legitimately worry.
Zucc36
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He is trying too hard. As is his teammates who wants to help him get going. Especially Richards who is constantly looking for a pass to him. As long as the team is winning, he just need to lower his shoulders and keep playing, and it will happen. I will not be surprised if he breaks out with a game with a hat trick or a 4/5-point game.
Wow thanks for breaking that down, should note Rangers have been playing mostly bubble teams or bottom dwellers. It's only going to get harder against the top teams.
As you have been saying, not if but when.
And in a win NOW trade, the return for the price have been underwhelming. There are also examples of other aging superstars who have also just fell off the cliff after being acquired by the Rangers.
People are hung up on Callahan. But leave out the precious picks that were given away.
Fairly simple to me. He was acquired to be a difference maker. He has not been. We have away picks that cannot afford to be given away to win NOW. Short of a Cup, the trade is a failure.
And he is doing NOTHING that makes this team better. At least not right now. And the "Give him time" argument does not apply in a win now trade.
eco's bones
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Back to playing with Richards and Brad (who can be such a *******) trying to force plays that aren't there. Sam and Joe whining in the television booth about it. None of this is useful. Should we really feel bad for the guy?--or get really angry at him when the team is still winning?
St. Louis has got to find his own way out of the quagmire he's in. Thankfully the Rangers are winning without him but worrying about what MSL is doing all the time is counterproductive.
St. Louis has got to find his own way out of the quagmire he's in. Thankfully the Rangers are winning without him but worrying about what MSL is doing all the time is counterproductive.
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