Second impressions of Marty St. Louis (Mod warning in OP)

[5 4 Fighting]

I don't see this line ever working out because both players need the puck on their stick. Supposedly, Marty is a much better playmaker than anyone else on the team so why not roll with Pouliot-Brassard with Marty on the right dictating the play.

Because just like on the Knicks, Stoudemire and Anthony are not working out for the same reasons Nash and St.Louis arent. They don't play defense, they need the puck in their hands, and they are soft players who don't contribute anywhere else if they aren't scoring.

 

[Cake or Death]

I don't think anyone would care that much about Callahan if MSL was actually doing his job.

After his service with our team, I wish Cally well and hope he has a good career. But literally almost no one cares whatsoever what the guy is doing in TB, save a handful of people here who are the only ones who keep re-posting about him. Rational people knew he wasn't worth what he was asking. I respect what the guy did for the organization, but am fine with moving our depth chart number three RW who was asking for a ridiculously absurd contract.

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

After his service with our team, I wish Cally well and hope he has a good career. But literally almost no one cares whatsoever what the guy is doing in TB, save a handful of people here who are the only ones who keep re-posting about him. Rational people knew he wasn't worth what he was asking. I respect what the guy did for the organization, but am fine with moving our depth chart number three RW who was asking for a ridiculously absurd contract.

People mention Callahan as a response the "give him time to adjust" line. Callahan hasn't needed it.

 

[Thirty One]

People mention Callahan as a response the "give him time to adjust" line. Callahan hasn't needed it.

I have a working theory that all people aren't the same.

 

[StepansLabyrinth]

People mention Callahan as a response the "give him time to adjust" line. Callahan hasn't needed it.

It doesn't really matter who Cally plays with because he's going to play the same game regardless of who he plays with (chasing the puck, crashing the net, etc.). MSL is much more dependent on the players around him, even if it's just a matter of being comfortable. It kind of makes sense that MSL is struggling while Cally has fit right in with his new team. I'd expect playmakers to struggle on new teams moreso than grinders.

 

[aufheben]

Like how much Brassard struggled when we acquired him? MSL had 29 goals before coming here, him being a playmaker is a bs excuse. 4 shots in the last 5 games. I'm not sure I'd even call him "snakebitten", he's not even getting a lot of opportunities; of course you're not gonna score a lot when you're getting a pathetic 1 shot on goal each game.

I'm hoping after he gets that first one, the floodgates will open.

I have a feeling he's gonna get like 4 goals against the Oil tomorrow or something good, haha.

 

[Riverdale]

Like how much Brassard struggled when we acquired him? MSL had 29 goals before coming here, him being a playmaker is a bs excuse. 4 shots in the last 5 games. I'm not sure I'd even call him "snakebitten", he's not even getting a lot of opportunities; of course you're not gonna score a lot when you're getting a pathetic 1 shot on goal each game.

I'm hoping after he gets that first one, the floodgates will open.

I have a feeling he's gonna get like 4 goals against the Oil tomorrow or something good, haha.

I have a feeling he will be invisible, register one shot on goal and people will still say he is creating chances and looking good.
I hope I am wrong.

The moment this trade happened I felt sick to my stomach. This is exactly what I feared. I wanted MSL to come in here and improve the offense and play the way so many thought he would. I am sure he will have a good season after this for us but he needs to be good RIGHT NOW and into the playoffs.

Next season watch him become godly again and everyone else fall off a cliff. I just know that will happen.

 

[Cake or Death]

People mention Callahan as a response the "give him time to adjust" line. Callahan hasn't needed it.

Callahan is a straight north-south player, which should more easily acclimate. While MSL's numbers are not impressive, MSL is a tad more skilled and there can be an adjustment for player and teammates. As one TB fan said, "He joins the Rangers and absolutely nobody can finish his plays but he has to act "happy-go-lucky-we'll get em next time" because this is what he wanted, hilariously ironic. He isn't even playing bad, in fact he's playing with even more tenacity in NY." Not to mention, no one on our team, all of whom went through training camp and pre-season together, had a handle on this system for quite a decent stretch into the season. If our entire team struggled with it, how can one guy be totally expected to grasp it immediately?

I'm not making excuses, he should still be scoring a bit more regardless. But I wouldn't really endorse using a few games as being definitive of anything. Callahan won't hold this pace, he never has in his entire career. Conversely, MSL over the past 4 seasons: three 2nd All Star teams as the second best RW in the league; 3 Lady Byng trophies; one Art Ross; two top ten Hart finishes, once a top 3 finalist; 1.11 PPG playoff scoring; and once top 20 in Selke voting. Somehow, I think this guy might just come around and be alright.

 

[aufheben]

I have a feeling he will be invisible, register one shot on goal and people will still say he is creating chances and looking good.
I hope I am wrong.

The moment this trade happened I felt sick to my stomach. This is exactly what I feared. I wanted MSL to come in here and improve the offense and play the way so many thought he would. I am sure he will have a good season after this for us but he needs to be good RIGHT NOW and into the playoffs.

Next season watch him become godly again and everyone else fall off a cliff. I just know that will happen.

Good vibes, damnit!

Maybe his chakras are blocked, or, he has some repressed childhood memories ascending from his sub-conscious.

Perhaps he lost his favorite coffee mug on the way to NYC?

 

[Cake or Death]

Good vibes, damnit!

Maybe his chakras are blocked, or, he has some repressed childhood memories ascending from his sub-conscious.

Maybe it's time to sacrifice a chicken...

 

[Pugs35]

Who could have predicted that a past-his-prime star player would come to NY and play like crap? It's unprecedented!

 

[Pugs35]

It doesn't really matter who Cally plays with because he's going to play the same game regardless of who he plays with (chasing the puck, crashing the net, etc.). MSL is much more dependent on the players around him, even if it's just a matter of being comfortable. It kind of makes sense that MSL is struggling while Cally has fit right in with his new team. I'd expect playmakers to struggle on new teams moreso than grinders.

Well if this is the reasoning, shouldn't something like this have occurred to Mr. Sather before acquiring him with 1 month to go in the season?

 

[Harry99]

After his service with our team, I wish Cally well and hope he has a good career. But literally almost no one cares whatsoever what the guy is doing in TB, save a handful of people here who are the only ones who keep re-posting about him. Rational people knew he wasn't worth what he was asking. I respect what the guy did for the organization, but am fine with moving our depth chart number three RW who was asking for a ridiculously absurd contract.

Not absurd. He is worth more than MDL, Nash and Richards when you consider everything.

 

[Cake or Death]

Who could have predicted that a past-his-prime star player would come to NY and play like crap? It's unprecedented!

Understand the post based on our glorious history with vet players, but St. Louis is a guy who in his immediate 30 games before coming to NY (all of the games MSL played without Stamkos) who had 14 goals and 16 assists. PPG player heading here. You could say he's struggling now, but past his prime is a bit of a stretch. I sure wish any other player on our team were as past their prime this season and could reach 60 points.

 

[StepansLabyrinth]

Not absurd. He is worth more than MDL, Nash and Richards when you consider everything.

Not on the planet that we're living on.

 

[Leonardo87]

Callahan is a straight north-south player, which should more easily acclimate. While MSL's numbers are not impressive, MSL is a tad more skilled and there can be an adjustment for player and teammates. As one TB fan said, "He joins the Rangers and absolutely nobody can finish his plays but he has to act "happy-go-lucky-we'll get em next time" because this is what he wanted, hilariously ironic. He isn't even playing bad, in fact he's playing with even more tenacity in NY." Not to mention, no one on our team, all of whom went through training camp and pre-season together, had a handle on this system for quite a decent stretch into the season. If our entire team struggled with it, how can one guy be totally expected to grasp it immediately?

I'm not making excuses, he should still be scoring a bit more regardless. But I wouldn't really endorse using a few games as being definitive of anything. Callahan won't hold this pace, he never has in his entire career. Conversely, MSL over the past 4 seasons: three 2nd All Star teams as the second best RW in the league; 3 Lady Byng trophies; one Art Ross; two top ten Hart finishes, once a top 3 finalist; 1.11 PPG playoff scoring; and once top 20 in Selke voting. Somehow, I think this guy might just come around and be alright.

Callahan is never going to put up the numbers like MSL, but MSL is past his prime, will be 40 yo next year. You become a defense liability like Richards is now. Cally is a two way forward who is going to score around 25 goals and rack in around 50 points while playing both sides of the ice.

Callahan was the Rangers 2nd best goal scorer and they sent him packing. He now has 16 Goals in 56 games, 5 goals in 12 games since joining Tampa, and 7 Goals in his last 18 games. AV took him off the PP which starved him for points, he can score goals in front of the net, top of the circle, on an angle, and etc. He netted his 2nd PP goal in 6 games, and has 4 PP points in those 6 games. He had two 5 on 5 goals the game before.

Rangers basically added another play maker to this team to set up guys who cannot finish, except Nash. If St Louis is not playing on a line with Nash will be very hard for him to get going. Everyone here expects all these goals from him, but he is a set up player/play maker, but still 3 assists in 13 games is not good.

His career goal average is not that far from Cally's, it would surprise you.

 

[Cake or Death]

Not absurd. He is worth more than MDL, Nash and Richards when you consider everything.

I love the guy, but he has averaged 40 points a season over the past 5 seasons. Maybe I'm crazy, but no amount of anything else he can do should make a guy with that level of scoring worth over 6 mil a year. Also, this is a MSL thread, I believe there is a Cally thread elsewhere, so I'm going to stop talking about Callahan and stick to the topic at hand.

 

[Cake or Death]

Callahan is never going to put up the numbers like MSL, but MSL is past his prime, will be 40 yo next year. You become a defense liability like Richards is now. Cally is a two way forward who is going to score around 25 goals and rack in around 50 points while playing both sides of the ice.

Callahan was the Rangers 2nd best goal scorer and they sent him packing. He now has 16 Goals in 56 games, 5 goals in 12 games since joining Tampa, and 7 Goals in his last 18 games. AV took him off the PP which starved him for points, he can score goals in front of the net, top of the circle, on an angle, and etc. He netted his 2nd PP goal in 6 games, and has 4 PP points in those 6 games. He had two 5 on 5 goals the game before.

Rangers basically added another play maker to this team to set up guys who cannot finish, except Nash. If St Louis is not playing on a line with Nash will be very hard for him to get going. Everyone here expects all these goals from him, but he is a set up player/play maker, but still 3 assists in 13 games is not good.

His career goal average is not that far from Cally's, it would surprise you.

And Cally is not a 25 goal 50 point guy. He's reached both marks ONCE in his entire career.

 

[Leonardo87]

Dude, I get it, you're a Lightning fan. Feel free to head back over there, no one is stopping you.

I'm trying to explain to you why St Louis might be struggling.

 

[Cake or Death]

I'm trying to explain to you why St Louis might be struggling.

You may want to re-read your post; none of those four paragraphs look like they have anything to do with what you just said.

 

[Cake or Death]

Sorry, nothing personal, but this is a Martin St Louis thread: I'm going to try to stay on topic with that. There is also a Ryan Callahan thread. I see no need to bash either guy. One played here and did a great job, and we all appreciate that immensely; the other wants to be here now and I am sure is trying his best to right his ship. The trade is done, I am going to stand by the team and hope for them to win.

 

[Leonardo87]

You may want to re-read your post; none of those four paragraphs look like they have anything to do with what you just said.

My point was that St Louis should be with Nash if he is going to have any success of breaking through.

 

[aufheben]

Yeah keep the Cally stuff to the other thread.

 

[Harry99]

Not on the planet that we're living on.

Oh sorry, I was talking about real hockey, not fantasy hockey.

 

[StepansLabyrinth]

Oh sorry, I was talking about real hockey, not fantasy hockey.

I forgot that 3rd liners are more valuable than goal scorers and that's why they get paid higher by NHL GMs.