Buffalo Bills Season's End: The Off-Seasons Starts Now

[buffa dud]

As unlikely as it might seem for the Bills to make the playoffs, what gives me hope is the fact that the teams in front of them, whether by design or by injuries, have nothing in the way of competent quarterback play. And there are three seats available.

The Browns are even further behind than when they had Watson.​

The Colts are only slightly ahead, but still in no man's land.​

The Steelers are nowhere.​

The Bengals are effed.​

The Browns are on par with the Colts.​

The Texans are set.​

The Chargers are set.​

The rest aren't even worth mentioning.​

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The Bills might even lose a game or two and still make the playoffs with this kind of play from the field.

 

[DolanPlsGoSabres]

As unlikely as it might seem for the Bills to make the playoffs, what gives me hope is the fact that the teams in front of them, whether by design or by injuries, have nothing in the way of competent quarterback play. And there are three seats available.

The Browns are even further behind than when they had Watson.​

The Colts are only slightly ahead, but still in no man's land.​

The Steelers are nowhere.​

The Bengals are effed.​

The Browns are on par with the Colts.​

The Texans are set.​

The Chargers are set.​

The rest aren't even worth mentioning.​

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The Bills might even lose a game or two and still make the playoffs with this kind of play from the field.

If the perfect storm brews 7-10 can qualify you hahaha, this is for the Patriots but switch a couple wins to losses here and there the Bills can in theory get in at 7-10

 

[Asymmetric Solution]

Yup, same here. Verse is a game-breaking level player who might fall because he's a little older. Probably could've come out last year and been a top 10 pick.

Verse is an absolute machine. If he falls to Buffalo I’d do a backflip with my herniated disc. Don’t see how it’s possible.

 

[Husko]

Verse is an absolute machine. If he falls to Buffalo I’d do a backflip with my herniated disc. Don’t see how it’s possible.

He's basically a 23 year old 5th year senior. His breakout age was 2021 at age 21 in FCS, which isn't horrible but is on the older side. Teams tend to prefer using the most premium picks on younger ascending talent. That's what could cause him to slide.

For example, take a less productive but much younger player in Chop Robinson. Sure, he only has 4 sacks on the year. But he's also only 20 years old. When Verse was 20 years old he was playing a 4-game covid shortened season in FCS. And so you just think of Robinson's potential by the time he's Verse's age, and consider you get those ascension years in the NFL.

I still love Verse and would love to get him. But that's how a very good college player falls int he draft.

 

[Der Jaeger]

He's basically a 23 year old 5th year senior. His breakout age was 2021 at age 21 in FCS, which isn't horrible but is on the older side. Teams tend to prefer using the most premium picks on younger ascending talent. That's what could cause him to slide.

For example, take a less productive but much younger player in Chop Robinson. Sure, he only has 4 sacks on the year. But he's also only 20 years old. When Verse was 20 years old he was playing a 4-game covid shortened season in FCS. And so you just think of Robinson's potential by the time he's Verse's age, and consider you get those ascension years in the NFL.

I still love Verse and would love to get him. But that's how a very good college player falls int he draft.

The benefit in taking a player like Verse is that you avoid players like Aaron Maybin. Maybin had a crazy ceiling and was young, but never lived up to the hype.

Verse is more mature and could step into a starting role. Which I think the Bills will need if Miller doesn't return to form and Epenesa walks.

 

[Husko]

The benefit in taking a player like Verse is that you avoid players like Aaron Maybin. Maybin had a crazy ceiling and was young, but never lived up to the hype.

Verse is more mature and could step into a starting role. Which I think the Bills will need if Miller doesn't return to form and Epenesa walks.

Yeah there's give and take. For most players I'd be against taking the "safer" pick in Verse with this pick because I think we need a homerun. But despite his older age I still think he has elite potential. It's not like he stuck around school so long because he wasn't producing and needed a better resume. He probably hurt his stock by doing so, but all the better for us.

 

[Der Jaeger]

Yeah there's give and take. For most players I'd be against taking the "safer" pick in Verse with this pick because I think we need a homerun. But despite his older age I still think he has elite potential. It's not like he stuck around school so long because he wasn't producing and needed a better resume. He probably hurt his stock by doing so, but all the better for us.

With Verse, he's got elite physical traits with a motor and work ethic. He stuck around to improve, which is admirable. I take that kid in a nanosecond if he's available when the Bills pick.

 

[KeyserSoze81]

The benefit in taking a player like Verse is that you avoid players like Aaron Maybin. Maybin had a crazy ceiling and was young, but never lived up to the hype.

Verse is more mature and could step into a starting role. Which I think the Bills will need if Miller doesn't return to form and Epenesa walks.

I would also look at Rousseau as an example of an ideal DE project: unbelievable ceiling, ridiculous measurables, great flashes of potential. But for a team that needs production from 1st contracts, have we really gotten value from that pick? He will have an expensive fifth year option next year. The value from the first contract is basically lost without much to show for it.

 

[billsandsabres]

didn't dunne write an article about 13 seconds also based on anonymous sources?

 

[Der Jaeger]

I would also look at Rousseau as an example of an ideal DE project: unbelievable ceiling, ridiculous measurables, great flashes of potential. But for a team that needs production from 1st contracts, have we really gotten value from that pick? He will have an expensive fifth year option next year. The value from the first contract is basically lost without much to show for it.

I consider Rousseau a different case. He was regarded as a top 10 lock prior to COVID and then opted out of the season. He had 15.5 sacks in 2019. And he got hurt in 2018 so he redshirted. So he was very much a project, but one that had top 5 overall draft potential.

Had Rousseau played in 2020 he would not have lasted to pick 30.

 

[misterchainsaw]

No Pacheco Sunday for the Chiefs, apparently.

 

[zenthusiast]

didn't dunne write an article about 13 seconds also based on anonymous sources?

Yeah, a postmortem type piece

 

[Husko]

I would also look at Rousseau as an example of an ideal DE project: unbelievable ceiling, ridiculous measurables, great flashes of potential. But for a team that needs production from 1st contracts, have we really gotten value from that pick? He will have an expensive fifth year option next year. The value from the first contract is basically lost without much to show for it.

Rousseau has matched expectations for a late first, in my opinion.

 

[stealth1]

As unlikely as it might seem for the Bills to make the playoffs, what gives me hope is the fact that the teams in front of them, whether by design or by injuries, have nothing in the way of competent quarterback play. And there are three seats available.

The Browns are even further behind than when they had Watson.​

The Colts are only slightly ahead, but still in no man's land.​

The Steelers are nowhere.​

The Bengals are effed.​

The Browns are on par with the Colts.​

The Texans are set.​

The Chargers are set.​

The rest aren't even worth mentioning.​

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The Bills might even lose a game or two and still make the playoffs with this kind of play from the field.

I disagree. I think the Bengals are still good. So far Browning has played great and they have an easy schedule left.
I just played with the ESPN playoff machine and have the Bills at 10-7 and they miss. I ended up with Bengals at 10-7, Colts and 10-7 and Texans at 10-7. Mainly due to their schedules left.

 

[misterchainsaw]

I disagree. I think the Bengals are still good. So far Browning has played great and they have an easy schedule left.
I just played with the ESPN playoff machine and have the Bills at 10-7 and they miss. I ended up with Bengals at 10-7, Colts and 10-7 and Texans at 10-7. Mainly due to their schedules left.

I can't see the Bengals running the table. They don't have any real easy games left and the Browns have their number even when Burrow's healthy. I'd be stunned if they went into KC and won with Browning.

EDIT: Right they're at 6 losses right now. It's still going to be tough for them with Browning. Teams will get tape.

 

[Dirty Dog]

No Pacheco Sunday for the Chiefs, apparently.

Too busy punching people?

 

[buffa dud]

I can't see the Bengals running the table. They don't have any real easy games left and the Browns have their number even when Burrow's healthy. I'd be stunned if they went into KC and won with Browning.

EDIT: Right they're at 6 losses right now. It's still going to be tough for them with Browning. Teams will get tape.

They're at six and those six losses came against Cleveland, Baltimore, Tennessee, Houston, Baltimore and Pittsburgh. Baltimore and Tennessee won't figure into the equation as much because those teams are either too far ahead in the standings or too far behind. But Houston, Cleveland and Pittsburgh absolutely matter.

By comparison, the Bills losses have come against New York (Jets), Jacksonville, New England, Cincinnati and Denver. Depending how everything plays out, only Cincinnati and Denver really matter. And even that could change if Cincinnati fails to keep pace with Buffalo.

 

[misterchainsaw]

They're at six and those six losses came against Cleveland, Baltimore, Tennessee, Houston, Baltimore and Pittsburgh. Baltimore and Tennessee won't figure into the equation as much because those teams are either too far ahead in the standings or too far behind. But Houston, Cleveland and Pittsburgh absolutely matter.

By comparison, the Bills losses have come against New York (Jets), Jacksonville, New England, Cincinnati and Denver. Depending how everything plays out, only Cincinnati and Denver really matter. And even that could change if Cincinnati fails to keep pace with Buffalo.

Both of our tiebreakers are atrocious - after the AFC North teams both lost an NFC game I don't think there's a tiebreaker we win right now (if we lose to Dallas PIT can go to SoV). Cincinnati's in a similar boat - they only beat us in a tiebreaker because of the H2H - their conference record is even worse than ours.

Also remember 3 way tiebreakers can eliminate H2H wins for teams with actually good conference records.

EDIT: We can win a tiebreaker vs. Indy at 10-7 if they beat Atlanta and our loss is to Dallas as long as their other two wins aren't against LV and CIN.

 

[zenthusiast]

The Buffalo Bills are never going to lose another game

 

[Selanne00008]

I'm not counting anything out.

Does Mimai most likely have the division? Of course being 2.5 game sup. Jets at Miami is sure, most likely a win.

But still. The NY fkng JETS, beat the Bills and Eagles. Pats beat the Bills and Stealers.
Cardinals beat the Stealers. The list goes on.

Bills just need to win and they could get into a spot with the Colts, Browns and Stealers all tripping over their own feet.

 

[Dirty Dog]

Can’t we just trade for Pickens. Dude is about rightfully done with the Steelers

 

[brian_griffin]

Can’t we just trade for Pickens. Dude is about rightfully done with the Steelers

Now? No. Trade deadline has passed.

Why would PIT trade a guy on a rookie contract?

 

[Dirty Dog]

Now? No. Trade deadline has passed.

Why would PIT trade a guy on a rookie contract?

In the off-season.

And because all good steeler WRs must go.

 

[TehDoak]

I disagree. I think the Bengals are still good. So far Browning has played great and they have an easy schedule left.
I just played with the ESPN playoff machine and have the Bills at 10-7 and they miss. I ended up with Bengals at 10-7, Colts and 10-7 and Texans at 10-7. Mainly due to their schedules left.

The Bengals will probably finish 9-8. Part of the big issue with Cincinatti is they run their mouth a ton. When they can back it up its one thing. They can probably beat teams like Indy or Minny. But if you don't think the defensive players in Pittsburgh and Cleveland aren't excited about being able to blitz the shit out of Browning without worrying about a 3 step drop laser that Burrow has you are mistaken. Every divisional team (an KC) is going to be salivating on shutting them up.

If I had to guess they will split with MN/Indy, Split with Pittsburgh/Cleveland and lose @ KC

 

[My Cozen Dylan]

With Verse, he's got elite physical traits with a motor and work ethic. He stuck around to improve, which is admirable. I take that kid in a nanosecond if he's available when the Bills pick.

Verse is an A+ character guy too. He's been a leader in the room since he got to Tallahassee. With Epenesa leaving, I've become increasingly okay with DE in the 1st.

Also, fun fact about him, the staff at FSU was scouting Syracuse for an upcoming game and while watching tape of Syracuse v. Albany, they saw Verse dominating Syracuse's O-line and were like "who is this guy?" and the minute he entered the portal, FSU offered him. Has been a heck of a find.