Buffalo Bills Season's End: The Off-Seasons Starts Now

[Der Jaeger]

Given the investments they made this offseason at LG & RG, I'm not sure how likely that scenario is, though.

I definitely think they extend Dawkins. And they may feel confident enough in their medium term on the OL that an OT may not be a 1st round worthy pick for them.

The only likely Dawkins to LG scenario I could see is if they feel McGovern could play C better than Bates once Morse is done.

With both Dawkins, Brown, and Morse signed through 2024 and McGovern signed through 2025, it will be interesting to see what the Bills do there given more immediate needs elsewhere like WR, DE, and S.

If they re-sign Dawkins, based on the way he's playing right now, it's going to be to franchise LT money.

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Dawkins is better (but older) than Orlando Brown, who just inked a 16 million a year deal. I think a Dawkins extension probably looks something like 55 million over 3 years.

I'm not sure I'm interested in re-signing a 32 year old LT to a deal. Sounds like the type of deal a team makes hoping past performance turns into continued future performance. I'd rather let him walk and let a kid jump in.

BPA should absolutely still be a thing if we're picking in the high teens........but I can't see us taking a LT. Dawkins is playing super well and I think chances are far better that we re-sign him than take a replacement in the 1st round.

There's a couple of 1-tech DTs that I like in the 2nd round, but I think would be reaches in the 1st (Sweat from Texas and OSU's Williams).

The orgasmic scenario would be either Odunze, Nabers or Coleman falling to us.......but I just can't picture them falling that far (or us losing enough to get high enough).

I can't imagine that the lighter "EDGE" guys like Latu or Turner or Verse are on our radar....we typically like our DEs to be a bit bigger than they are.

So, to me, that leaves either RT or safety as the most likely to be BPA in an area of need for us (even though Brown has been good this year......we can get better there). Kinchens from Miami certainly seems like he'd be on our radar -- scheme diverse and athletic. DeJean is also diverse -- can play slot CB or safety.

Dunno. @Husko is exactly right that we need to hit a homerun with this 1st pick though.

I think LT should be the priority, and then center. Protecting Allen is more important than anything else the Bills can do.

Here's my idea for the offensive line:

Draft BPA in the first round, and it might line up with LT. Assume for discussion's sake they take Mims from Georgia.

BPA for the second round, but that also might line up with Powers-Johnson, or Van Pran in the 3rd round. Assuming one of them is the pick.

The Bills enter 2024 with Mims and a center. If Morse is cut, see if Bates or McGovern can slide over. Or if the young center is ready, go with him. Dawkins plays his last year, and Mims gets a year to learn. Dawkins either re-signs for LG or walks. I'm not keen on re-signing a 32 year old LT.

2025 OL: Mims - McGovern - PJ or Van Pran - Torrence - Brown

I like that OL a lot.

 

[brian_griffin]

I kind of take this as McDermott being a DC and not a head coach.

"And then offensively, we've got to not be in those one-score games. We've got to pull ahead or play better earlier in the game," he explained. "But again it's what we're trying to do to get solved and move forward as a football team."

Your offense has consistently given you leads for years under two minutes. Josh Allen gave you two leads in under 2 minutes at KC and you still lost because of defense not closing it out.

It's consistent. He needs to go and they need to get someone else to lead this team forward moving forward.

No, they need a DC also serving as a peer voice to McDermott for late-in-game situations to keep McDermott from having just 1 more beer before driving. A DC and/or peer voice in 4th Quarter or late in games will ask McDermott for the car keys and remind him what happened all the previous times he chose to drive himself home. (Analogy - not disrespecting anyone who has struggled with alcohol use / abuse or has had a family tragedy.)

For me it's the ball catchers and ball-catching defenders. Give me a WR, then a safety. If there's no safety there I'd even take corner back. White will be toast, Elam isn't what he should be, so we need to swing yet again at a corner pick.

DE and OL we can get those late in free agency steals in my opinion. Re-sign who you think is going to explode (epenesa or Rousseau).

No, in an allegedly deep positional draft, take an OT where you will get good 1st contract value. You can still (and should) sign FAs for the line. If the Bills played a more press-man scheme, I'd add CB to that strategy, but they play zone nearly exclusively.

I'm not sure I'm interested in re-signing a 32 year old LT to a deal. Sounds like the type of deal a team makes hoping past performance turns into continued future performance. I'd rather let him walk and let a kid jump in.

I think LT should be the priority, and then center. Protecting Allen is more important than anything else the Bills can do.

Here's my idea for the offensive line:

Draft BPA in the first round, and it might line up with LT. Assume for discussion's sake they take Mims from Georgia.

BPA for the second round, but that also might line up with Powers-Johnson, or Van Pran in the 3rd round. Assuming one of them is the pick.

The Bills enter 2024 with Mims and a center. If Morse is cut, see if Bates or McGovern can slide over. Or if the young center is ready, go with him. Dawkins plays his last year, and Mims gets a year to learn. Dawkins either re-signs for LG or walks. I'm not keen on re-signing a 32 year old LT.

2025 OL: Mims - McGovern - PJ or Van Pran - Torrence - Brown

I like that OL a lot.

I don't want to extend Dawkins. The converse argument is can he hold up longer with better talent to the right of him, as we are seeing this season?

It seems to me his positional strength is by taking a massive "broad jump" backwards to afford a half-second to re-set himself to engage the rusher. Is that sustainable? I'm doubtful.

 

[Der Jaeger]

No, they need a DC also serving as a peer voice to McDermott for late-in-game situations to keep McDermott from having just 1 more beer before driving. A DC and/or peer voice in 4th Quarter or late in games will ask McDermott for the car keys and remind him what happened all the previous times he chose to drive himself home. (Analogy - not disrespecting anyone who has struggled with alcohol use / abuse or has had a family tragedy.)

No, in an allegedly deep positional draft, take an OT where you will get good 1st contract value. You can still (and should) sign FAs for the line. If the Bills played a more press-man scheme, I'd add CB to that strategy, but they play zone nearly exclusively.

I don't want to extend Dawkins. The converse argument is can he hold up longer with better talent to the right of him, as we are seeing this season?

It seems to me his positional strength is by taking a massive "broad jump" backwards to afford a half-second to re-set himself to engage the rusher. Is that sustainable? I'm doubtful.

Dawkins' kick slide is elite. But I'm not real comfortable re-signing him to a big contract as an over 30 LT. The Bills cap problems will be enough as it is, and won't get better with a declining LT on a big contract.

 

[ValJamesDuex]

I'm not sure I'm interested in re-signing a 32 year old LT to a deal. Sounds like the type of deal a team makes hoping past performance turns into continued future performance. I'd rather let him walk and let a kid jump in.

I think LT should be the priority, and then center. Protecting Allen is more important than anything else the Bills can do.

Here's my idea for the offensive line:

Draft BPA in the first round, and it might line up with LT. Assume for discussion's sake they take Mims from Georgia.

BPA for the second round, but that also might line up with Powers-Johnson, or Van Pran in the 3rd round. Assuming one of them is the pick.

The Bills enter 2024 with Mims and a center. If Morse is cut, see if Bates or McGovern can slide over. Or if the young center is ready, go with him. Dawkins plays his last year, and Mims gets a year to learn. Dawkins either re-signs for LG or walks. I'm not keen on re-signing a 32 year old LT.

2025 OL: Mims - McGovern - PJ or Van Pran - Torrence - Brown

I like that OL a lot.

What about giving Bates (27 next season) a shot at Center ? They like Van Demark as well who is their swing tackle currently, but starting LT is alot to ask as well.

 

[brian_griffin]

Dawkins' kick slide is elite. But I'm not real comfortable re-signing him to a big contract as an over 30 LT. The Bills cap problems will be enough as it is, and won't get better with a declining LT on a big contract.

Agreed. If he was the elite physical specimen UDFA Jason Peters (intentionally using a Bills reference) was from the time of his entry into the NFL and for the first ~10 years of his career until that age, then no issues. But he's not.

 

[Der Jaeger]

What about giving Bates (27 next season) a shot at Center ? They like Van Demark as well who is their swing tackle currently, but starting LT is alot to ask as well.

I'm not really for that idea. The Bills have gone really long stretches without putting a lot of talent into their offensive line, and it has showed at times.

Josh Allen is the franchise. I'd like to pack some talent onto the line.

 

[Husko]

I'm not sure I'm interested in re-signing a 32 year old LT to a deal. Sounds like the type of deal a team makes hoping past performance turns into continued future performance. I'd rather let him walk and let a kid jump in.

I think LT should be the priority, and then center. Protecting Allen is more important than anything else the Bills can do.

Here's my idea for the offensive line:

Draft BPA in the first round, and it might line up with LT. Assume for discussion's sake they take Mims from Georgia.

BPA for the second round, but that also might line up with Powers-Johnson, or Van Pran in the 3rd round. Assuming one of them is the pick.

The Bills enter 2024 with Mims and a center. If Morse is cut, see if Bates or McGovern can slide over. Or if the young center is ready, go with him. Dawkins plays his last year, and Mims gets a year to learn. Dawkins either re-signs for LG or walks. I'm not keen on re-signing a 32 year old LT.

2025 OL: Mims - McGovern - PJ or Van Pran - Torrence - Brown

I like that OL a lot.

It's a tough call, no doubt. On one hand, extending a 32 year old player that as recently as last year looked like he might be in decline is not the thing teams looking to retool usually do. On the other hand, OL is a position that normally has age longevity, and teams can go a decade trying to find a franchise LT, and letting one just walk out the door solely to get younger also feels like bad process. It's one of the hardest decisions the team is going to have to make the next couple years, along with Milano and Johnson.

What about giving Bates (27 next season) a shot at Center ? They like Van Demark as well who is their swing tackle currently, but starting LT is alot to ask as well.

If they move on from Morse, Bates will most certainly get an opportunity to compete for the center spot. They like him. That said, they also went out and signed a real money LG and used a 2nd round pick to draft a RG, telling you something about they feel about him as a starter.

 

[Husko]

I'm not really for that idea. The Bills have gone really long stretches without putting a lot of talent into their offensive line, and it has showed at times.

Josh Allen is the franchise. I'd like to pack some talent onto the line.

I generally agree, but let's not pretend they didn't just seriously invest in the oline this offseason (and it worked! we have a good line!):
-2nd round pick on Torrence
-3 X $8 million contract for McGovern
-Signing a bunch of guys to decent money to ensure a few stick as capable backups
-All while Morse and Dawkins are playing on near top market deals

I want them to keep infusing the oline with talent. I'd draft an offenisve lineman in the first 4 rounds every year. But they don't have to take a LT at 15 for an infusion of talent. As I said before, I only make a move like that if I'm confident the player I'm drafting has all pro level play in him, not simply a Dawkins replacement.

 

[Selanne00008]

I generally agree, but let's not pretend they didn't just seriously invest in the oline this offseason (and it worked! we have a good line!):
-2nd round pick on Torrence
-3 X $8 million contract for McGovern
-Signing a bunch of guys to decent money to ensure a few stick as capable backups
-All while Morse and Dawkins are playing on near top market deals

I want them to keep infusing the oline with talent. I'd draft an offenisve lineman in the first 4 rounds every year. But they don't have to take a LT at 15 for an infusion of talent. As I said before, I only make a move like that if I'm confident the player I'm drafting has all pro level play in him, not simply a Dawkins replacement.

Agreed with this. OL in the draft is fine, and should be drafted yearly since it's 5 starters. But not in 1st round for me.

 

[TehDoak]

If we are drafting in the mid teens, this could be a historic WR class. I just saw a mock with 7 1st round WRs.

 

[brian_griffin]

If we are drafting in the mid teens, this could be a historic WR class. I just saw a mock with 7 1st round WRs.

WR for me is dicey.

Surely 1-2 of those WRs will drop. Another not on that list might move up.
Which of those becomes a Jerry Jeudy vs. a Ja'Marr Chase, a Jaylen Waddle vs. a Davonta Smith?
Or, football gods forbid, another Sammy Watkins?

 

[Husko]

WR for me is dicey.

Surely 1-2 of those WRs will drop. Another not on that list might move up.
Which of those becomes a Jerry Jeudy vs. a Ja'Marr Chase, a Jaylen Waddle vs. a Davonta Smith?
Or, football gods forbid, another Sammy Watkins?

Trading up for Watkins was bad process, but he was a dominant player, despite not having a QB, early in his career before injuries caught up with him. MHJ, Coleman (both will be long gone), Odunze, and Nabers are all players I'd feel great about taking in the fourth round. There's other first round talents too (Egbuka, Thomas, Franklin, others), but they're more of a tier with like Flowers/JSN/Addison/QJ that were late first do one thing really well types. The first four all profile as bonafide WR1s.

 

[sabregoat]

1 big issue for next year is according to Spotrac, we are $40 mil over next years projected salary cap. There is only so much that can be restructured. There will be cuts and most likely Morse, T Johnson, Neal, harty, Gilliam and Hines will be gone. Next year may be a retool year.

 

[Husko]

1 big issue for next year is according to Spotrac, we are $40 mil over next years projected salary cap. There is only so much that can be restructured. There will be cuts and most likely Morse, T Johnson, Neal, and Hines will be gone. Next year may be a retool year.

Eh. If they want to make money to make another push, it's not too hard to create the cap space. I'm not sure if that's a smart move though. This version of the team feels cooked.

 

[Zman5778]

Trading up for Watkins was bad process, but he was a dominant player, despite not having a QB, early in his career before injuries caught up with him. MHJ, Coleman (both will be long gone), Odunze, and Nabers are all players I'd feel great about taking in the fourth round. There's other first round talents too (Egbuka, Thomas, Franklin, others), but they're more of a tier with like Flowers/JSN/Addison/QJ that were late first do one thing really well types. The first four all profile as bonafide WR1s.

Totally agree that there are 4 bona-fide #1 WR talents: Harrison Jr, Odunze, Coleman, Nabers. Will all 4 hit? Probably not, but if one of those 4 slips to us at our pick in the mid-to-late teens......I'd be sprinting up to the podium as fast as possible. Take one to pair with Diggs in 2024 then see what happens for 2025.

That said, I can't see one of them getting to us. MHJ is probably the first non-QB selected. The other 3 could all go in the top 10 or top 12.

I totally agree that there are other first round talents -- but I don't see any legit #2 WRs without some projection. Egbuka is probably my #5 WR, but he's primarily been a slot guy -- can he play outside? He has the size to do it. Worthy is probably my #6 -- he's got the speed to burn......but he's rail-thin and gets the dropsies. Then there are the giants: Thomas, Wilson, Legette, Mitchell. It's so deep. I think we could get a good one in the 2nd round who could develop into a #2 or a #1 with some luck.

 

[buffa dud]

I'm not sure what the right play is come draft day, but under no circumstances whatsoever do I ever want to see another pass catcher drafted whose profile has the word "drops" featured.

 

[K8fool]

Readimg post game response here but mainly twobills driving me away due to mentally challenged


Wow. Bills O and D play perfect ( first 3 quarters ) despite amazing uncalled penalties they play thru, truly game changing negligent calls against at key times as if they were determined to affect outcome . Rewatch and try to deny it w a non homer open mind. Good luck .


Most i read are are fire this, bench this they suck kill mcd etc. the worst actually believe bellechick is a good coach. A ya fn kidding me? He's a total cia level cheating masonic tool that had the plays on d against us w giants and has always had thr plays. Id rather burn the stadium than have him or any offshoot Mc Daniel Patricia scum come near here makes me question the narrative being driven by posters on the boards.

Lets agree weird stuff happened. Yiu either believe we choked McD sucks etc or you believe more is going on and aren't ready to throw a very talented squad that suddenly acts like zombie rasul Douglas waving at a receiver that he's normally grreat and we're trying to comprehend weird lapses on key plays to go along w zebra activity to change outcomes in Bills games.i know not easy as its smells of excuses but f that. Facts are facts as are bad zebra activity

 

[Der Jaeger]

I generally agree, but let's not pretend they didn't just seriously invest in the oline this offseason (and it worked! we have a good line!):
-2nd round pick on Torrence
-3 X $8 million contract for McGovern
-Signing a bunch of guys to decent money to ensure a few stick as capable backups
-All while Morse and Dawkins are playing on near top market deals

I want them to keep infusing the oline with talent. I'd draft an offenisve lineman in the first 4 rounds every year. But they don't have to take a LT at 15 for an infusion of talent. As I said before, I only make a move like that if I'm confident the player I'm drafting has all pro level play in him, not simply a Dawkins replacement.

Sure but it hasn’t been consistent. Look at what the Pats did for Brady.

I want to address the need prior to it being a need. And I’m also good with investing a top 15 pick on arguably the 2nd most important position on the offense.

If we are drafting in the mid teens, this could be a historic WR class. I just saw a mock with 7 1st round WRs.

WR for me is dicey.

Surely 1-2 of those WRs will drop. Another not on that list might move up.
Which of those becomes a Jerry Jeudy vs. a Ja'Marr Chase, a Jaylen Waddle vs. a Davonta Smith?
Or, football gods forbid, another Sammy Watkins?

There are plenty of great WRs found outside of the top 15. LTs are hard to find. And arguably the second most important position on offense.

And this year is a great OT year as well.

 

[ValJamesDuex]

I'm not sure what the right play is come draft day, but under no circumstances whatsoever do I ever want to see another pass catcher drafted whose profile has the word "drops" featured.

Beane needs to i.d. and take guys like Tank Dell. There out there.

 

[zenthusiast]

Speaking a Julio jones style trade for Marvin jr into existence

 

[TehDoak]

Speaking a Julio jones style trade for Marvin jr into existence

Only way that makes sense is if we miss the playoffs and Diggs demands a trade and can parlay whatever draft capital from that to trade to 1st OA.

 

[Husko]

Speaking a Julio jones style trade for Marvin jr into existence

To go from 9 to 1, the Panthers had to trade:
-DJ Moore
-2023 2nd round pick
-2024 1st round pick (high)
-2025 2nd round pick

What do you think it would cost us to go from 15 to 3?

 

[TehDoak]

In the end, I think there is still a good reason for hope. There is no doubt the talent is there for this to be a contender. It's about putting it all together and getting healthy. And yes, getting a few breaks along the way. Lord knows we haven't had many so far this year.

Winning a championship isn't about having the best record, it's about running hot in January/February and being the best version of yourselves. The last two games we put up 400 yards on the Jets and 500 on the Eagles. And 66 points. Give them a week to rest and come back and implement a few more wrinkles to keep teams off guard. Go beat KC in KC and put the rest of the league on notice that the reports of our demise have been greatly exaggerated.

 

[zenthusiast]

To go from 9 to 1, the Panthers had to trade:
-DJ Moore
-2023 2nd round pick
-2024 1st round pick (high)
-2025 2nd round pick

What do you think it would cost us to go from 15 to 3?

A couple of 1s and 2s unless the qb premium drives it up, but if it does, shoot for 4, etc

 

[26CornerBlitz]