Buffalo Bills Season's End: The Off-Seasons Starts Now

[SabresFan26]

That sounds like McD told Dorsey to slow things down and did not want to own that decision.

This is what also scares me with a HC being a DC. They are often concerned with stats of the defense first and foremost. Yes they want to win but they want to win with the defense looking better than last year with Frazier gone. Slower offense, "complimentary" football, etc. generally will keep less points on the board.

Offensive HCs are riskier because they don't care about the points against as long as they're winning and putting up numbers.

 

[Ace]

It’s nice to finally see the Bills coverage move distinctly and uniformly towards moving on from Dorsey. Even if it is far too late.

 

[ValJamesDuex]

I wonder if they are bringing in punters today to audition ?

 

[Jim Bob]

Let me lay out a perfectly reasonable scenario for those of you that want McDermott fired.

Brandon Beane is a fairly typical NFL GM in that he enjoys/finds safety in working with people that he has worked with before.

Enter the Washington Commanders. Ron Rivera is in the 4th year of a 5 year contract. His defense, which is his calling card, is abysmal. Eric Bieniemy, who has developed Sam Howell well, was named Associate Head Coach when he was hired this past offseason. Rivera was not hired by the Commie's current ownership. See where I'm going here?

Beane calls up Harris (Commies new owner) and is like.....I've worked with Rivera in the past and think he's the perfect replacement for McDermott. Harris has no problem with letting Rivera out of his contract and naming Bieniemy head coach.

The Buffalo Bills new head coach: Ron Rivera.


Perfectly reasonable.


Yeah, I'd rather keep McDermott.

And here are the OCs that Carolina had when Beane was there.

 

[ValJamesDuex]

I miss DQ on the field. But, he is a fun X follow.

future NFL: 15 yards for thinking bad thoughts about the Quarterback...

 

[K8fool]

I like the optimism around here, but I think the Bills are gonna get beat and handily. Burrow is healthy and is gonna have a field day against this secondary. I think Cincy wins by 2 touchdowns. Nothing would make me happier than being wrong about that.

The bills are a better team. The zebras , nfl and the dirty bengals wont be enough to win in the playoffs if we don't beat ourselves with that great but unnecessary effort instilled by josh that kincaid lost the fumble.and two back breaking chunk plays that seemed (wink ) out of character.
Once Rasul and Joseph get acclimated to McD and hopefully the real VON , i think they can play each week at a higher level and get a wildcard in the

. I saw the bills be a slightly better team last night aside from agreggious mistakes on key plays w ze weir The bengals wide receivers are elite especially chase and higgins. We really miss Tre and Milano. BUT. I also see ridiculous large gains and misssedtackles that will not happen in a rematch ( the zebras giving second and third chance's

 

[Taro Tsujimoto]

Another offense-related stat for you: Bills are 4-1 this season when scoring at least 21 points, 1-3 when scoring 20 or less.

 

[SabresFan26]

I would have to imagine today would be the day. You have Denver and NY then the bye week

It starts with McDermott. Getting rid of Dorsey isn't necessarily the problem (not that I'm against that), but if McDermott wants a certain vision and style for the offense, he's going to hire something similar.

He doesn't want to be a heavy passing offense. He wants to eat clock and win defensive games.

 

[Dirty Dog]

I think we have it great with Beane and McDermott. I’m not switching them out

 

[tsujimoto74]

It starts with McDermott. Getting rid of Dorsey isn't necessarily the problem (not that I'm against that), but if McDermott wants a certain vision and style for the offense, he's going to hire something similar.

He doesn't want to be a heavy passing offense. He wants to eat clock and win defensive games.

I don't get where any of this speculation is coming from. McDermott let Daboll run Daboll's offense. Why do we suddenly think -- while he's busy calling the D during the game -- that he's not letting Dorsey run Dorsey's offense? What if actually Dorsey is just a conservative, vanilla buffoon?

 

[stealth1]

I think we have it great with Beane and McDermott. I’m not switching them out

Compared to the drought years it's great.

 

[buffa dud]

I think we have it great with Beane and McDermott. I’m not switching them out

Absolutely. I'm not going back to the coaching cesspool that was The Drought era. I just want Beane to keep working the roster, and McDermott to keep working the staff.

 

[stealth1]

I don't get where any of this speculation is coming from. McDermott let Daboll run Daboll's offense. Why do we suddenly think -- while he's busy calling the D during the game -- that he's not letting Dorsey run Dorsey's offense? What if actually Dorsey is just a conservative, vanilla buffoon?

Remember when Daboll left there was talk of conflict between him and McDermott. My guess is part of the conflict is McDermott wanting Josh to run less. With Dorsey he's making Josh more of a pocket passer

 

[Ace]

I don't get where any of this speculation is coming from. McDermott let Daboll run Daboll's offense. Why do we suddenly think -- while he's busy calling the D during the game -- that he's not letting Dorsey run Dorsey's offense? What if actually Dorsey is just a conservative, vanilla buffoon?

I understand where the McDermott question comes from. The talk that he was at odds with Daboll over his offense when the damn thing carried the team for years has always been out there. his “complimentary football” jargon and terrible commitment to conservative punting and field goal calls is there too.

But I’m not even sure he picked the damn coordinator in the first place. Allen had a lot of say in that because, like I’ve said about the backup QBs and some other player choices for years…having Allen”s friends around sure seems way too important to this organization. Allen was the one so quick to defend Dorsey that he did something he’s never done…called out fans on it. It was kind of stunning. Especially when he’s so damn wrong.

So yeah…McDermott isn’t going anywhere even as he shows more and more signs of regressing as a coach year after year. So he deserves a shot at fixing the OC job. If he wants to play conservative football on offense…he is getting a great look at where that is getting him. And where it will see him end up sooner than later if it continues beyond this year.

Whoever is at fault…it’s a failure. Allen isn’t leaving. McDermott isn’t getting fired. Both have a hand in taking the offense the wrong direction. And now both have to man up, admit the mistake, and turn it around.

 

[misterchainsaw]

This continued narrative of McDermott being overly conservative on punting/FG calls is hilarious. He's been top 10 (at minimum) in 4th down aggresiveness in the league over the past 3 years.

'Sure, he was more conservative when it was Taylor at QB with a nasty defense carrying the team, and perhaps even when Allen was still finding his footing in his rookie and 2nd year. That...uh...also makes sense.

 

[Ace]

Oh and Beane is not off the hook on this either. They’ve needed a WR 2 for years and he gets pass catching backs we don’t throw to and a TE they didn’t figure out how to use until Knox was injured and they were forced out of the looks that didn’t work at all. He’s been building an offense that doesn’t play to Allen’s strengths. Get a legit WR out there and stop f***ing around. It’s Josh Allen not Jimmy Garopollo

 

[Ace]

This continued narrative of McDermott being overly conservative on punting/FG calls is hilarious. He's been top 10 (at minimum) in 4th down aggresiveness in the league over the past 3 years.

'Sure, he was more conservative when it was Taylor at QB with a nasty defense carrying the team, and perhaps even when Allen was still finding his footing in his rookie and 2nd year. That...uh...also makes sense.

How conservative other coaches are has zero bearing on McDermott making the wrong calls over and over. Other people are worse in no Way makes him good. He consistently punts on 4th and inches past his own 40. He opts for long FGs in the wind on 4th and short. He punts every goddamned time from the other teams side of the field on 4th and short.

maybe try watching a game and not how his chart looks next to Kenny Pickett and Zach Wilson lead offenses. He has Josh Allen. And the confidence of having Kenny Pickett.

 

[misterchainsaw]

How conservative other coaches are has zero bearing on McDermott making the wrong calls over and over. Other people are worse in no Way makes him good. He consistently punts on 4th and inches past his own 40. He opts for long FGs in the wind on 4th and short. He punts every goddamned time from the other teams side of the field on 4th and short.

maybe try watching a game and not how his chart looks next to Kenny Pickett and Zach Wilson lead offenses. He has Josh Allen. And the confidence of having Kenny Pickett.

Yeah no he doesn't.

This post has literally no bearing in reality.

 

[Selanne00008]

Can we get out of D knox contract this coming offseason? That $needs to be spent elsewhere like, yesterday

 

[Jim Bob]

The Bills RBs got 8 carries the entire game out of 55 offensive plays.

There was one drive where they went 3 and out with running plays on 1st and 2nd down was 3rd & 2 and Allen took a sack on 3rd down. That was the only set of downs where they went run-run on 1st and 2nd down and they did not get a first down on that set of downs.

That was the only drive that stalled out or never got going due to running the ball on 1st and 2nd down. But, since they got to 3rd and short, I would not say that drive going 3 and out was on calling running plays on 1st and 2nd down.

And on that 3rd and 2 where Josh took the sack, he had a chance to rip a throw to Kincaid in between two zone defenders...

 

[Dirty Dog]

Can we get out of D knox contract this coming offseason? That $needs to be spent elsewhere like, yesterday

I think he is pretty good tightend and is being paid as such. Getting pass catching tight ends that can block is a tough thing to find, not sure why anyone would want to get rid of one

 

[Zman5778]

And on that 3rd and 2 where Josh took the sack, he had a chance to rip a throw to Kincaid in between two zone defenders...

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I dunno. 57 is looking RIGHT AT Josh. So is 55. If he tries that, there's a damned good chance it gets picked.

 

[Dirty Dog]

And on that 3rd and 2 where Josh took the sack, he had a chance to rip a throw to Kincaid in between two zone defenders...

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I mean, there’s almost always a chance to throw a perfect pass that threads defenders and narrowly avoids an INT. I don’t think that screen grab is a good example of a missed opportunity

 

[Zman5778]

What if actually Dorsey is just a conservative, vanilla buffoon?

Had a thought last night while digesting the game:

It seems like the last couple of weeks, Dorsey is calling plays "to not be predictable". He finds things that works, stashes them.....then comes back to them. It doesn't seem like he understands the concept of "If it's working, KEEP DOING IT UNTIL THE DEFENSE STOPS YOU". He seems like he doesn't want to get to the point where the defense stops something that's working.....for reasons.

Early in the year (vis a vis Jets game plus our streak).....I had no issue with Dorsey as it looked like the calls were working, but the players weren't executing.

Now, Dorsey is calling some plays that are working.........and is actively going away from it. Don't get it.

 

[buffa dud]

Remember when Daboll left there was talk of conflict between him and McDermott. My guess is part of the conflict is McDermott wanting Josh to run less. With Dorsey he's making Josh more of a pocket passer

But Beane and McDermott are doing it with longevity in mind. It's the same philosophy behind Beane not committing to a single season super-roster just to watch injuries/luck derail everything. They want Josh, and subsequently their window to a Championship, to last as long as physically possible.

And I agree, to some extent, that it's misguided. Almost all of Josh's injuries have been sustained while in the pocket, if I'm remembering right. But it's the constant thumps he takes that Beane and McDermott are trying to eliminate (during the regular season!) in order to prolong his career.

That's not an insane or misguided thought process. If anything, we should be so lucky as to have a GM and Head Coach with as much foresight. They're not just selling Josh and the fans out for a single year the same way McDaniels jeopardized Tua last season. And hey, if it helps Josh become a better pocket-passer (which he has become over the course of his career, by the way), that only helps our chances! They're not just letting him stay comfortable, by doing the same predictable (stuff) year in and year out.