Buffalo Bills Season over. Ow.

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Now that the Bills know where they pick, I'm torn between two players who are typically available at the bottom of round 1:

Tyleik Williams, DT Ohio State. Beane may need to trade pick 108 to get the draft capital to get him.
Shavon Revel, CB East Carolina. Has Gardiner type skills but coming off an injury.

Early (way early) draft wish: trade up from 30 to get Williams, and then use 56 and 62 to get back into the bottom of round 1 and take Revel.

Edit: a way. 30 and 108 to the Rams for pick 26 (if Williams is there). The pick 56 and 62 to Philly for 31 and 166. Take Revel (if he's there). It basically voids round 2 and 3 but those are two good additions.

I get it, I'm a positive draft nerd.
 
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Now that the Bills know where they pick, I'm torn between two players who are typically available at the bottom of round 1:

Tyleik Williams, DT Ohio State. Beane may need to trade pick 108 to get the draft capital to get him.
Shavon Revel, CB East Carolina. Has Gardiner type skills but coming off an injury.

Early (way early) draft wish: trade up from 30 to get Williams, and then use 56 and 62 to get back into the bottom of round 1 and take Revel.

Edit: a way. 30 and 108 to the Rams for pick 26 (if Williams is there). The pick 56 and 62 to Philly for 31 and 166. Take Revel (if he's there). It basically voids round 2 and 3 but those are two good additions.

I get it, I'm a positive draft nerd.
If you have holes, sometimes, quality over quantity if you believe you are getting starters. Probability of all 4 guys on day 1/2 starting at some point in the season is minimal.

Seen teams trade back only to not get any impact from the lower pick and the extra picks.
 
That's a hard ask. Guy wants to win and will do whatever to help his team.

I predict he's going to come back next season with a vengeance and take everything out on the league.

He still concerns me but Kincaid has a high-enough ceiling that I think we should have some faith in him. There are people on WGR saying that Knox is better and that's just comical.

Can't say the same about Daquan Jones, AJ Epenesa, and Jordan Phillips, though. Just a waste of space on the line. Rousseau was godawful yesterday but I imagine he sticks around since he has shown at least a little bit of production. Extending Epenesa last year just boggles the mind, though.
 
He still concerns me but Kincaid has a high-enough ceiling that I think we should have some faith in him. There are people on WGR saying that Knox is better and that's just comical.

Can't say the same about Daquan Jones, AJ Epenesa, and Jordan Phillips, though. Just a waste of space on the line. Rousseau was godawful yesterday but I imagine he sticks around since he has shown at least a little bit of production. Extending Epenesa last year just boggles the mind, though.
Epenesa was a good bargain re-sign given his age and productivity and they can get out of the contract easily. Phillips, in his defense, was the only player on the whole line that made a play yesterday.

In general I agree. Make the whole thing a whole lot younger.
 
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I feel the same way I felt in 1994 after the 4th Super Bowl loss.

Out of hope.......
Don't be. They're going to continue to be a great football team and right back in the mix next year. Kelly was almost 35 at the end of the '94 season. Allen is 28.

3% of NFL teams win a meaningful game to end the year. Enjoy that we win tons of other games and basically run the AFC East.
 
Don't be. They're going to continue to be a great football team and right back in the mix next year. Kelly was almost 35 at the end of the '94 season. Allen is 28.

3% of NFL teams win a meaningful game to end the year. Enjoy that we win tons of other games and basically run the AFC East.

The Pats had a meaningful game at the end of the year for the first overall pick and they won.

I mean they didn’t want to win but they won a meaningful game at the end of their year.
 

Buffalo Bills: Get just a tad more dangerous​

The tone of Buffalo’s postmortem is quite a bit less rosy than its NFC counterparts, both because this was just another episode of the recurring postseason nightmare it cannot escape but also given the dangerously simple path forward to make another run.

The Bills have to leave this postseason feeling as haunted as ever. Not just that they lost to Patrick Mahomes and the Chiefs, again, but because of how close these two teams felt both throughout the course of the season and on Sunday night.

To lose ever so slightly on the margins once again, and fail to exorcise the demon that’s cursed your playoff dreams since you became a true contender is crushing. To lose to them when your operation has been as smooth as it was all season and there were a few chinks in their armor is all the more devastating.

The more complicated part of this for Buffalo, especially as it compares to Washington’s offseason to-do list, is that the path forward is some damning mix of simple and complex.

The Bills team we watched on Sunday night is very close to being a Super Bowl team. A few breaks in the other direction and they could have been there this season. They have the right quarterback, continuity on the offensive line and an overall good, well-coached roster.

However, you also felt like they were missing a blue-chip star on both sides of the ball — a coverage-dictating pass-catcher on offense and a game-closing edge rusher on defense. Pointing out when you don’t have those guys and projecting the impact a hypothetical version of said player could have had in big moments is easy. Finding them is not quite a bit more difficult.

There’s a feeling around the Bills offense of the relationship where you come away thinking, “We just couldn’t get the timing right.” The Bills used to have one of those blue-chip star pass-catchers in Stefon Diggs. That era ran its course, but it was incredibly productive at the time. The problem is that during the best years of that period, Buffalo never had the rushing ecosystem or bevy of complementary pass-catchers that this current version offers. That allowed opposing defenses to too easily key on taking away Diggs, sometimes successfully, in big games without fear of a run game that could take advantage of light boxes or consistent receivers able to win in plus matchups.

The Eagles are a great example of the nightmare-matchup offense the Bills could be if they find an alpha wideout. The second you forget that they have an elite wideout while dwelling on their dominant run game or quarterback-designed carries, that’s when A.J. Brown obliterates man coverage on the perimeter. That attack is on the table for Buffalo and they have the exact ecosystem to drop in that type of WR1 but again, it’s easier to say these ideas in theory than it is to find this player in practice.

Josh Allen showed without a shadow of a doubt this season that he’s one of the premier quarterbacks in the game who raises the ceiling and floor of the offense all on his own. He was the second-highest-scoring fantasy quarterback this season despite his top pass-catcher, Khalil Shakir, registering 821 yards on 97 targets. He will compete again to be the QB1 overall next season, no matter who is around him.

Allen is a talent-elevator and Buffalo has plenty of competent-to-good passing-game pieces in his orbit. With that as the setup alongside an excellent run game, we've seen the level this team can reach and how high Allen can fly from a production standpoint. Yet, we all know there’s another threshold in reach for both.

Identifying that is easy; finding the solution in an offseason that presents an aging free-agent receiver crop and a draft class rumored to lack the talent of the previous few years, is quite a bit more complicated.
 
With Kinkaid, they did want a WR, but would have needed to trade up to get one. Once JSN went off the board at 20, that's when Buffalo needed to make a move. But, that pick triggered a run on WR with Johnston, Flowers, Addison all going right afterwards. So, if those clubs wanted a WR, they were not moving off their pick. Would have realistically needed to jump to 18 with Detroit who took LB Campbell. I doubt TB would have passed up the DT Klancey at 19.

Kincaid was injured and playing injured
For Buffalo, 3:30 left with all timeouts down a FG. Now, only need less than 40 yards for a sub 50 yard attempt. Bills just didn't get it down. Seam route was overthrown, then pass knocked down at the line, then a WR screen for 5 yards, then KC came with a CB blitz (against a KC Spags D, have to expect a blitz, so not sure why Brady doesn't leave a RB in to pick it up). Tough play for Kinkaid to come back and track that wobbly pass. But, to win in the PO vs KC, you have to make a Key play. Have to convert that 4th an inches and not leave it up to the refs for those final inches. The pick, have to secure the ball, though they did get a Defensive holding call which would have wiped it out anyways. And Kinkaid needs to come up with the catch there. Difficult to track, but have to make it there.
You can question play calling and incorrrct/ non calls all day

What has been forgotten....

If the Bill's just licked XP instead of going force its 31-31 with 330 left.
1. D-Line needs more impact why I was advocating paying whatever it took for Myles Garrett.I did like Eds game last night.

Not overpaying for Garrett. Drsft target is OLB/ edge
2. Wow is our CB situation dire we need 2. CB looking like a draft steal to not being able to stay on the field as well as Douglas dropping off a cliff.

It's not dire. See what happens in free agency.
3. The Worthy vs Keon/Carter stuff still needs time to play out. His play design here would be nothing like it is in KC. His big catch should have been incomplete.

All Worthy does are outside routes and runs. You ned a receiver like Coleman who has size and can do close coverage catches
4. Not having Rapp clearly hurt but he's another player who is getting older and is always injured. His play style will just lead to more of this as well as hurting teammates.

Hurting how?
5. TE's Knoxs cap hit for what he does is laughable. Dalton has to make that catch.

I've been saying thus, dalton was not 100%

Almost typed up a post yesterday about Kincaid possibly fighting through an injury because he acted injured at 3 times a game this year. Shouldve just been put on IR but just like the Sabres we actively put our players at 70% at they actively hurt the team
It was known he was injured. He missed games. Dudnt have surgery. Likely because he cou look d p ln ah hurt but surgery would end the sesson.

Now that the Bills know where they pick, I'm torn between two players who are typically available at the bottom of round 1:

Tyleik Williams, DT Ohio State. Beane may need to trade pick 108 to get the draft capital to get him.
Shavon Revel, CB East Carolina. Has Gardiner type skills but coming off an injury.

Early (way early) draft wish: trade up from 30 to get Williams, and then use 56 and 62 to get back into the bottom of round 1 and take Revel.

Edit: a way. 30 and 108 to the Rams for pick 26 (if Williams is there). The pick 56 and 62 to Philly for 31 and 166. Take Revel (if he's there). It basically voids round 2 and 3 but those are two good additions.

I get it, I'm a positive draft nerd.
I dont think DT is as big of a need. LB is a bigger need
 
I dont think DT is as big of a need. LB is a bigger need
Completely disagree. The Bills have been able to successfully run their defense by rotating in undersized linebackers. As good as Milano is, he wasn't a top pick. Bernard and Williams were 3rd round picks. They can add linebackers but they don't need to commit much. And they've got two good starters (Milano and Bernard), tested back ups (Williams, Spector), and youth (Andreessen, Ulofoshio).

In contrast, the Bills have a star 3DT (Oliver), a good backup 3DT (Carter), and a good but aging 1DT (Jones). That's it. They'll need another 1DT, and ideally, one that can command a double team. They could also use a run plugger DT.

Schematically, the DTs in Buffalo's defense don't take up blockers to the linebackers can make all the plays. They penetrate to create disruption, which allows the linebackers to flow through and make plays. Very similar in personnel structure to the old Tampa defense. Look at that defense, and you've got Sapp, Rice, McFarland, and White on the line. That's an elite line. Derrick Brooks was elite at linebacker, but the others were just undersized players who could run.

If the Bills get better at linebacker, who sits? Bernard? Milano? Doesn't make much sense to stack the linebacker position beyond the starting spots available, while the line in front of them gets manhandled.
 
Coleman needs to be utilized differently. We seemed to be using him the same way in college but it would be more fruitful to have him running more slants, fades etc.
 
I feel the same way I felt in 1994 after the 4th Super Bowl loss.

Out of hope.......

It does feel pretty bleak at the moment. The AFC is just a gauntlet with the QBs we have to deal with.

All these big moments they've tripped up on the past 4 years are big time wasted opportunities. The odds only get more steep with every season wasted without a championship. Allen had the ball in his hands with 3 (ish) mins left and down 3 two years in a row and couldn't get it done. It's just full of heartaches. The one time he did get his career highlight reel play- McD and the defense folded like a lawn chair.

Time is slowly slipping away, unfortunately. It pains me to know the odds are favoring Allen not getting a chip, but rather- a career full of post season heartbreaks. He turns 29 in May, and I'd venture a guess most QBs who have won a SB won it before they turned 30. It seems wrongly poetic that the pick we traded to KC for White turned into Mahomes- who will probably be the reason we won't have a parade in Buffalo during Allen's tenure.

As I said, let's just hope Allen is the John Elway of his generation, and he gets one before his time is up. I will say, his post-game interview hit differently than years past. You can see it on his face that all these missed opportunities are weighing on him. You have to think he's wondering the same thing most of us are- will his career be defined by all these playoff woes? Seems more likely than not, unfortunately, but it's still going to be one hell of a ride.
 
Completely disagree. The Bills have been able to successfully run their defense by rotating in undersized linebackers. As good as Milano is, he wasn't a top pick. Bernard and Williams were 3rd round picks. They can add linebackers but they don't need to commit much. And they've got two good starters (Milano and Bernard), tested back ups (Williams, Spector), and youth (Andreessen, Ulofoshio).

In contrast, the Bills have a star 3DT (Oliver), a good backup 3DT (Carter), and a good but aging 1DT (Jones). That's it. They'll need another 1DT, and ideally, one that can command a double team. They could also use a run plugger DT.

Schematically, the DTs in Buffalo's defense don't take up blockers to the linebackers can make all the plays. They penetrate to create disruption, which allows the linebackers to flow through and make plays. Very similar in personnel structure to the old Tampa defense. Look at that defense, and you've got Sapp, Rice, McFarland, and White on the line. That's an elite line. Derrick Brooks was elite at linebacker, but the others were just undersized players who could run.

If the Bills get better at linebacker, who sits? Bernard? Milano? Doesn't make much sense to stack the linebacker position beyond the starting spots available, while the line in front of them gets manhandled.
The LB room is like the OL room. They have good starters and quality depth already signed for next season.

The DL needs Beane to hit a dinger or two after years and years of investments that have not paid off big time. Whether it is the big, splashy FA (Von) or multiple 1st and 2nd round picks (Oliver, Rousseau, Epenesa, & Basham), it hasn't added up to a DL that can make enough plays in big time playoff games.



I wonder what Ray Davis has to say about him...
 
The LB room is like the OL room. They have good starters and quality depth already signed for next season.

The DL needs Beane to hit a dinger or two after years and years of investments that have not paid off big time. Whether it is the big, splashy FA (Von) or multiple 1st and 2nd round picks (Oliver, Rousseau, Epenesa, & Basham), it hasn't added up to a DL that can make enough plays in big time playoff games.



I wonder what Ray Davis has to say about him...


While I agree. I also hate it. We don't penetrate like the Tampa D of old. We rotate a ton and they still aren't strong/fresh enough to pressure enough.

It's like, keep on trotting Jeff Skinner (or pick a name) out there for the shootout even though he's 0-16 in shootouts.

We tried with multiple 1st rounders. We tried with the splash FA signing (Miller). We just keep trying? Another 1st rounder this year? Maybe again in 2026! All I'm really saying is. Another swing and a miss on the D side in round 1 is nauseating.
 
I mean, I know they tried this with Von Miller, but the really need an absolute game wrecker on defense, more than anything else. They've always had solid group of D-men held together by decent coaching.

Right now, you have two good linebackers (Milano and Benard), one good DL in Oliver, a good DE in Groot, and a good Corner in Benford.

We need a prime aged defensive superstar to mirror Allen. The defense needs someone the other side has to game plan for.
 
I mean, I know they tried this with Von Miller, but the really need an absolute game wrecker on defense, more than anything else. They've always had solid group of D-men held together by decent coaching.

Right now, you have two good linebackers (Milano and Benard), one good DL in Oliver, a good DE in Groot, and a good Corner in Benford.

We need a prime aged defensive superstar to mirror Allen. The defense needs someone the other side has to game plan for.
As far as backers go, they must really like Ulofoshio for the future, they did not chance exposing him to waivers all year (to the practice squad). I also thought Williams played well when he was used after Milano came back. Hopefully he continues to grow and work on his weaknesses, his speed does help.

They will need to upgrade safety, whether that's Bishop full time or a vet (Edwards never worked) we will see.

I will agree on adding a playmaker on D (and O) if it is possible.
 
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Here's our draft pick slots:

(1) Round 1: Pick 30

(2) Round 2: Pick 24 of Round 2 (56 overall) (from Houston Texans via Minnesota Vikings)
The Bills acquired a 2025 second-round pick from the Texans as part of the Stefon Diggs trade. This pick originally came from the Vikings, who sent it to Houston in a separate deal.

(3) Round 2: Pick 30 of round 2 (62 overall)

(4) Round 4: Pick 10 of round 4 (from Chicago Bears)
In 2024, the Bills traded one of their picks in the fifth round of the draft, sending pick No. 144 back to Chicago. In return, the Bears gave the Bills a fourth-round pick in the upcoming draft. Pick No. 144 was the selection the Bears originally sent to Buffalo for offensive guard Ryan Bates.

(5) Round 4: Pick 30 of round 4

(6) *Round 4 (projected compensatory pick for Gabe Davis)
The Bills are projected to receive a fourth-round compensatory pick in the 2025 NFL Draft after losing Davis to the Jacksonville Jaguars during free agency.

(7) *Round 5 (projected compensatory pick for Leonard Floyd)
The Bills are projected to receive a fifth-round compensatory pick in the 2025 NFL Draft after losing Floyd to the San Francisco 49ers during free agency.

(8) Round 6: Pick 3 of round 6 (from New York Giants)
The Giants’ sixth-round pick was traded to the Bills in exchange for defensive end Boogie Basham last season.

(9) Round 6: Pick 28 of round 6 (from Browns via the Detroit Lions)
The Bills received a 2025 sixth-round pick and Amari Cooper from Cleveland in exchange for Buffalo’s 2025 third-round pick.

(10) Round 6: Pick 30 of round 6

I count 10 picks. 3 in the top 62, and 6 in the top 4 rounds. With 6 in the top 4 rounds, I can see them moving up to get more than just 3 total day 1&2 picks.

Take the compensatory picks with a dash of salt incase the formula screws them again.
 
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