Value of: Sean Monahan

[Double Dion]

How about now?

I've partially agreed with you about this all along. He was always a player who was carried by Gaudreau to a certain extent. He used to be a great finisher though. I was hoping that part of his game would bounce back. Unfortunately it's only gotten worse. The organization did a real disservice to his career by playing him injured so much. It's ridiculous to me that a player who required 3 surgeries (2 of them quite serious) was playing. I like the guy a lot, but he needs to be moved in the offseason. Seravelli claims there is significant interest. I just can't see it. Of course Domi got moved and he's the same player on the ice and worse off it.

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

I've partially agreed with you about this all along. He was always a player who was carried by Gaudreau to a certain extent. He used to be a great finisher though. I was hoping that part of his game would bounce back. Unfortunately it's only gotten worse. The organization did a real disservice to his career by playing him injured so much. It's ridiculous to me that a player who required 3 surgeries (2 of them quite serious) was playing. I like the guy a lot, but he needs to be moved in the offseason. Seravelli claims there is significant interest. I just can't see it. Of course Domi got moved and he's the same player on the ice and worse off it.

I honestly think he still has that ability, but there is just so much lacking from his game that he's not able to effectively get to use that ability without hemorrhaging goals against.

I still believe he could work on a team that needs a smart, low touch trigger man. He's an underrated playmaker as well.

 

[sergejean]

As a Habs fan, I'd stay clear from Monahan. He's not a top two line centre anymore imo.

 

[pth2]

As a Habs fan, I'd stay clear from Monahan. He's not a top two line centre anymore imo.

Well, it becomes a Cap question - who wants to give him a chance to redeem himself, at that cap number ? And can he be flipped for a similar cap hit ? Habs have a similar situation with Drouin - a guy clearly worth his cap hit if he lives up to expectations, but who clearly hasn't done so recently.

I expect this class of player to feel the cap squeeze more than most, as younger players need raises or become UFAs.

 

[TheNewEra]

Monahan for Zaistev 1 for 1. Bad contract for bad contract.

Calgary saves 1.8ish milllion in a time where im guessing they are looking to contend (so not willing to retain but I could be wrong), get a bottom pairing dman since they have to replace Gudbransson/Zadorov/Stone potentially. An upside is that Calgary doesnt have to pay a team using picks/prospects/retain to move Monahan. The downside is Zaistev has the extra year on his contract so if Sutter plays him like DJ Smith then Calgary will have a problem.

Ottawa moves on from a dman that in theory should be replaced in the lineup with Hamonic, if ottawa is serious about taking a step forward next year and ottawa saves a year on a bad contract. The downside for Ottawa is this means the management bets on Monahan to bounce back and a top 6 acquisition is most likely out of the question and this costs melnyk more money haha

 

[Miller Time]

Armia & Hoffman (7.9M) for Monahan, Dube & Valimaki (10.1M)

Flames create 2M in cap space for the big re-signings they have to manage (Gaudreau, Tkachuk, Mangiapane, Kylington), while maintaining roster players that help fill flames winger needs in middle-6 going forward.

Habs offload 2 serviceable but a bit overpaid vets that aren't part of long term direction... dube fits bottom 6 needs & valimaki will have shot at earning opening day nhl spot. Monahan a cap dump who hopefully can earn middle 6 role & play well enough to be spun for an asset near the deadline.

 

[bsu]

He'll probably end up in Anaheim

 

[RangerBoy]

Calgary has 4 key free agents

Johnny Gaudreau- group III
Matthew Tkachuk- group II arbitration eligible/ one year away from group III
Andrew Mangiapane- group II arbitration eligible
Oliver Kylington- group II arbitration eligible

The Flames have 3 D signed for next season- Hanifan. Tanev. Andersson.
The Flames have about $27M-28M in space. Those 4 free agent contracts will take up a huge chunk of their space.

Sean Monahan at $6.375M. Injuries have sapped him out. He is not an old guy at 27 and the guy looks beat up. $6M salary.

 

[AveryStar4Eva]

I always thought he was overrated, but never thought it would get to the point where he is a healthy scratch. Calgary will have to attach an asset or buyout in the offseason. Something around the Dadonov deal makes sense. Monahan and a 2nd for a smaller contract

 

[rt]

“Bah Gawd That’s Bill Armstrong’s Music!!!”

 

[pth2]

Monahan for Zaistev 1 for 1. Bad contract for bad contract.

I think we'll see more and more of these. They should be easier to predict on here, but given how anyone over 26 is essentially seen as overpaid trash, it'll be hard to find matchups... most fans will agree to move someone but won't want to take back an equivalent bad contract.

 

[Bond]

I think Monahan needs a team like Arizona or Columbus where he can kind of float and see if he can get his shot back. He is trying but looks like he needs some more rehab

 

[blankall]

As a Habs fan, I'd stay clear from Monahan. He's not a top two line centre anymore imo.

Well no one is giving you #1 centre for free. Monahan only has 1 year left on his contract. He's relatively low risk. If he plays okay, you may even be able to flip him for a 2nd at the deadline.

 

[Bond]

Armia & Hoffman (7.9M) for Monahan, Dube & Valimaki (10.1M)

Flames create 2M in cap space for the big re-signings they have to manage (Gaudreau, Tkachuk, Mangiapane, Kylington), while maintaining roster players that help fill flames winger needs in middle-6 going forward.

Habs offload 2 serviceable but a bit overpaid vets that aren't part of long term direction... dube fits bottom 6 needs & valimaki will have shot at earning opening day nhl spot. Monahan a cap dump who hopefully can earn middle 6 role & play well enough to be spun for an asset near the deadline.

How useless are Armia and Hoffman? Monahan's buyout isn't bad, so I think that'd be the preference over picking up players with term

 

[blankall]

Monahan for Zaistev 1 for 1. Bad contract for bad contract.

Calgary saves 1.8ish milllion in a time where im guessing they are looking to contend (so not willing to retain but I could be wrong), get a bottom pairing dman since they have to replace Gudbransson/Zadorov/Stone potentially. An upside is that Calgary doesnt have to pay a team using picks/prospects/retain to move Monahan. The downside is Zaistev has the extra year on his contract so if Sutter plays him like DJ Smith then Calgary will have a problem.

Ottawa moves on from a dman that in theory should be replaced in the lineup with Hamonic, if ottawa is serious about taking a step forward next year and ottawa saves a year on a bad contract. The downside for Ottawa is this means the management bets on Monahan to bounce back and a top 6 acquisition is most likely out of the question and this costs melnyk more money haha

Or the Flames could just buy out Monahan and free up $4 million this year. Zaitsev has an extra year on his contract. Awful deal. The Flames are way better off buying out Monahan and then moving up a player like Valimaki into the #6 position.

 

[ChaoticOrange]

Sean Monahan, before losing a fight to Ryan Nugent-Hopkins Jan 29 2020

523, 188-213-401 0.77 points per game

After losing a fight to Ryan Nugent-Hopkins

133, 26-36-62 0.47 points per game

There can only be one Most Boring and Monahan got Highlandered.

 

[blankall]

Is he really that bad to the point he’s a healthy scratch? I’m surprised no team traded for him.

The Flames are really deep right now with the acquisition of Toffoli, Jarnkrok, and Carpenter. Monahan is still a legit NHL player, but is definitely the odd man out. He's just not fitting into a role on the team. He's not on the first line. The 2nd and 3rd lines are playing more of a shut down grinding/energy style, which Monahan isn't really suited for, at least not as well as Coleman, Toffoli, Mangiapane, etc..

 

[TheNewEra]

Or the Flames could just buy out Monahan and free up $4 million this year. Zaitsev has an extra year on his contract. Awful deal. The Flames are way better off buying out Monahan and then moving up a player like Valimaki into the #6 position.

Ill be honest, i didnt look at Monahan's buyout so if that is the case that is a much better option then any trade.

edit* looking at his buyout it looks like a 2.3 million cap hit next year and 2 million the year after. So i guess the million dollar question is does dead cap make sense or does getting zaistev for 2.2 next year and 2.5 the year after make sense. I can understand someone saying that the dead cap is better but it really is a tougher call when i look at his buyout

 

[Miller Time]

How useless are Armia and Hoffman? Monahan's buyout isn't bad, so I think that'd be the preference over picking up players with term

Hoffman is what he is... his numbers are down this year, but that's more a function of the habs dysfunction & lack of backend offense support. On a team with better offense support on defense and where he's clearly a secondary/tertiary scoring support, no doubt his production will kick back up. @ 4.5M it's a bit much for a one-dimensional contributor, but he's pretty reliable to contribute.

Armia I'd actually rather keep, moving him is more a function of the habs having too many "slightly overpaid" vets on the roster and too much money going to bottom-6 forwards as it is... he does a lot of things well that don't show up on the scoresheet and has shown himself a valuable playoff bottom-6 player. He's a bit pricey as well, but also a pretty sure bet to be what he is... strong puck possession, reliable defensively, frustratingly inconsistent offensively because he has the tools to be a top-6 producer but only uses them infrequently.

Monahan buyout may be the way they go... issue is that the 2.375M cap cost comes with an empty roster spot that still needs to be filled, even at league minimum, that means 4+M$ cap cost... flames are going to be challenged to extend the core pieces they need to re-sign (or replace) this summer as it is.

the deal proposed gives them 2M$ in space while maintaining the existing roster spots (minus Valimaki, who is in Stockton as it is). Both Hoffman and Armia could also likely get moved down the road if they decided they wanted to move those contracts.

 

[pth2]

How useless are Armia and Hoffman? Monahan's buyout isn't bad, so I think that'd be the preference over picking up players with term

Armia plays like a Tkachuk a few shifts a game, and plays like an AHLer the rest of the time.
Hoffman makes silly passes that lead to goals, either his own or the other sides.

As to the buyout, keep in mind, roster slots have to be used and filled, and paid. So just looking at a buyout is never the real cap result.

 

[blankall]

Ill be honest, i didnt look at Monahan's buyout so if that is the case that is a much better option then any trade.

edit* looking at his buyout it looks like a 2.3 million cap hit next year and 2 million the year after. So i guess the million dollar question is does dead cap make sense or does getting zaistev for 2.2 next year and 2.5 the year after make sense. I can understand someone saying that the dead cap is better but it really is a tougher call when i look at his buyout

Just to be clear Zaitsev is being paid $4.5/year for 2 more years. Yes, the dead cap makes more sense. The Flames are not taking any cap back for Monahan unless it's less than $2 million/year total, and they won't give up assets to do that.

 

[blankall]

Armia plays like a Tkachuk a few shifts a game, and plays like an AHLer the rest of the time.
Hoffman makes silly passes that lead to goals, either his own or the other sides.

As to the buyout, keep in mind, roster slots have to be used and filled, and paid. So just looking at a buyout is never the real cap result.

The Flames have a bunch of near league minimum prospects that will be ready for full time roles. Makes far more sense to move up Ruzicka, Pelletier, or Valimaki than to take on any overpaid vets.

A realistic trade proposal might be:

Monahan ($1.5 million retained) for future considerations.

 

[Gliff]

The Flames have a bunch of near league minimum prospects that will be ready for full time roles. Makes far more sense to move up Ruzicka, Pelletier, or Valimaki than to take on any overpaid vets.

A realistic trade proposal might be:

Monahan ($1.5 million retained) for future considerations.

Who would take that?
Who would want him for 5 mil with a flat cap?

Wouldnt Calagary have to pay a team to take him? Vegas just had to pay Anaheim to take Dadonov and he is better then Monahan with a similar contract.

 

[Volica]

Sean Monahan, before losing a fight to Ryan Nugent-Hopkins Jan 29 2020

523, 188-213-401 0.77 points per game

After losing a fight to Ryan Nugent-Hopkins

133, 26-36-62 0.47 points per game

There can only be one Most Boring and Monahan got Highlandered.

That was a moment, where I was like... what the f*** is this guy? He's like 3-4 inches taller, 15-20 pounds heavier and got slapped around by Nuge. Nuge. Like, not Kassian, not one of the other gorillas they employ in Edmonton. Nuge.

 

[blankall]

Who would take that?
Who would want him for 5 mil with a flat cap?

Wouldnt Calagary have to pay a team to take him? Vegas just had to pay Anaheim to take Dadonov and he is better then Monahan with a similar contract.

The Flames buy him out if no one wants him.