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his value is at an all time low, and it would still take at least Suzuki 1-1 to get Calgary to even consider it, and that wouldnt even be a sure thing
Value of: Sean Monahan
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Ledge And Dairy
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You seem really confused here. Its not about what other teams are willing to do, its about Calgary. Flames arent trafing Monahan for futures. Simple as that. So unless they are trading for an upgrade they arent trading him at all.
As for your opinion on the concept, Eichel is definitely an upgrade and Monahan could 100% be part of a package for him. So maybe you should be the one who's shaking their head
Its all about what other teams are willing to do and none would willingly downgrade for a declining C. Buffalo included.
Either Calgary caves or there is no deal to be made. Quite simple really. Obviously he will remain a Flame.
Ledge And Dairy
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So you are telling me Monahan + 3 1sts in value doesnt have a shot at Jack Eichel? You have no idea what you are talking about.
And no it is not about what the other team will do. Calgary is not shopping Monahan so they do not need to trade him. The only reason they would want to trade him is to upgrade to a better center (like Eichel). This is really straight-forward.
Its all about what the other team would do when they are giving up the better asset. This is simple logic.
Ledge And Dairy
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What other team? You dont get this, why does Calgary need to trade Monahan in the first place? They are trying to compete so selling him for futures is stupid and counterproductive
You don’t get this at all. No team would call Calgary to downgrade their 1 C to Monahan. That includes Buffalo - jump from Eichel to Mo is too massive.
It would be Calgary doing the calling and not the other way around!
Tempo
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Read the thread.
Flames fans wanted to upgrade from Monohan for a better 1C, that means whoever they are trading with is downgrading.
Not a hard concept.
We're better off just keeping Monahan. He scores 30 this season and the offers will improve. He also needs to stop playing through injuries that require multiple surgeries. It's hurting his career. At his best Monahan is a bleh 30 goal scorer who is good in the faceoff dot. He does need a play driving winger, but so do a lot of centers. McDavid is a pretty lousy at getting pucks out of his end, it doesn't mean he has no value.
Ledge And Dairy
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Alright lets exclude Buffalo for a second here. Flames arent shopping Monahan for futures, end of story. Simple as that. Obviously no one is calling them to downgrade and Calgary (who as said before is trying to contend) is not calling anyone else to dowbgrade either.
Now lets add Buffalo back in here. Do you live under a rock or something? Eichel's never playing for them again, so he is 100% being shopped and mostly for futures. However, incase you didnt know Eichel has a 10M cap hit so teams cant exactly just add Eichel to their roster without moving cap the other way. In comes Monahan, a top 6 center with a knack for goal scoring but coming off a major injury that lowered his trade value. Buffalo can then flip entirely or retain part of his deal and send him to another team for more assets.
Nico Cauzuki
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Keep Monahan no gm would ever trade Suzuki or Caufield for him thats a fact
Ledge And Dairy
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Never said they would, My comment was in response saying "he will get a little more than Dvorak" which is fundamentally wrong since Dvorak was traded from a tanking team for futures, Calgary is neither tanking nor looking to move him for futures.
Excluding eichel, no team is calling Calgary looking to downgrade - we agree on that.
including Eichel, Buffalo will get a young developing 2C or bluechip prospect C in a package.
Monahan doesn’t fit the profile as he is a declining C coming off a major injury. It makes zero sense for Buffalo to trade for him unless he has a breakthrough:rebound season which remains to be seen.
ergo there is no potential for a Monahan trade deal at this time.
/end thread
Its always comical when people bring up injuries, while discussing Eichel. As it sits, the kid has already missed 14% of the potential games, in his career. Every day ticks closer to losing this years entire season, which would have him sitting at about 27.5% lost games, due to injuries. All that, while still requiring major surgery, without guarantees. The Sabres are obviously not getting offered anywhere close to what they're asking or a deal would be done. Monahan, as a portion of the value, with a heavy future package, is a pretty solid offer.
He isnt a #1 C on any cup contender. Decent 2 on some teams and a 3C on some others..
Is Vegas not a cup contender? Monahan is their 1C. I love people who use absolutes. Edmonton isn't a cup contender but Monahan would be their 3C. Vegas is and he'd be their #1.
Meh ...I didn't include Vegas because they are a cup contender BUT there offense is driven by the wing which is unusual . Monahan would not necessarily be a #1C on Vegas either. His game would have to improve dramatically over last season. Edmonton is a second tier contender well ahead of calagry. Other mod leaves teams like Pittsburgh or Washington he would fall down the depth list as well
To be quite honest, most teams that want to aquire Eichel, also want to win now. Very few have an extra million in capspace, let alone 10 million. If anything, I'd expect a cap dump added to the package, opposed to removing Monahan. Personally, coming off a terrible season, I'd put Monahan's value at a 1st and good prospect. If the Sabres don't like it, they can keep him, because as the season progresses, Monahan's value will increase, while Eichel's continues to drop.
Edmonton isn't a 2nd tier contender. Nor are they well ahead of Calgary. They lost to a broken Jonathan Toews and it wasn't close. Also if you think Smith is going to give elite level goaltending again you're delusional. I don't think Edmonton will even make the playoffs this year. Worse blue line and their goaltending is going to be terrible.
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TheNumber4
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Monahan sucks. He literally does nothing except score from 7 feet in. And someone would need to set him up for that. And he hasn’t even been doing that lately. He’s quickly becoming a near nothing player. Any team that trades for him will be very disappointed.
