WarriorofTime
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So are Rangers gonna re-sign Borgen before he gets to UFA? Their cap situation blows and at 20-20-3, I'm admittedly not high on their cup chances this season.
Confirmed Trade: [SEA/NYR] Kaapo Kakko for Will Borgen, 2025 3rd, 2025 6th
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Depends on his deadline value. I think they have around 8 mil in cap space and if he's only getting a 2nd or worse and will take like 3 x 3.5 i think they'd be wise to resign him. After a few games of adjustment he's been good. Granted it's a small sample size. If by some miracle some GM offers a 1st then trade him and talk to him July 1st.
Machinehead
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No?
The Rangers will have $23,000,000 in cap space at the deadline. The projected increase to the cap will cover everyone's raises.
Panarin expires after next year and Kreider expires the following year. They just got rid of Trouba's entire contract.
What they decide to do with it is always scary but the Rangers have frankly, plenty of cap space.
Captain Monglobster
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All Kakko needed was to go to a place with weather as depressing as Finland.
Seriously though I like Kakko and hope he becomes a real stud. He showed flashes but never took that next step in NY. The reasons for that will be up for debate.
Seriously though I like Kakko and hope he becomes a real stud. He showed flashes but never took that next step in NY. The reasons for that will be up for debate.
WarriorofTime
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Not seeing it. Whom they have signed for how long and for what value and then what they still need to re-sign/replace to stay at functionally the same level. You state panarin expiring as a positive but forget they need to replace the impact.
Kakko is very obviously better than Borgen
Machinehead
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We're probably rebuilding. We're definitely retooling. Whatever you want to call it. Signing Borgen or not is immaterial.
As others have said, if the value is there at the deadline, you trade him. If you sign him, he's a solid depth piece and he's not ruining a couple of years of tanking if that's what they decide to do.
Who doesn't have the cap space to sign Will Borgen? What even is this?
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Yes, clearly stating I hope he turns it around and has a successful career no less than 4 times in this thread clearly screams being “offended he’s doing better.”
I’ll say it once more: I don’t care about Kakko in Seattle, and hope he does well. I don’t root against kids and for them to fail for playing a game because of the sweater they put on. He was JAG in NY, and I’ll reserve judgement on whether or not he’s actually a player after more than 10 games after his “wake up” trade. He wouldn’t be the first to turn around a middling or worse career after a trade, nor will he be the last to flame out entirely if he doesn’t.
The issue I take is blaming the Rangers for what are clearly false takes about being a horrible drafting and development team.
Rags got a 37y Blake Wheeler to play Kaapos spot. Great move to downplay your own prospects ice-time and confiddnce
elmaco
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I'm not trying to say this "10 games" proves anything about Kakko but I do think players like him and Zac Jones are probably starting to think this "crazy" thought that there is something inherently wrong with an organization whose team is falling off a cliff, firing long time training staff, leaking info about their captain blocking a trade, sending a memo naming players by name that you want to trade, scratching "JAGs" while one of in not the worst +/- players in the league has no real consequences, ect...
Pavel Buchnevich
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We essentially traded a middle six winger for a 4/5 defenseman. Seems like both teams are happy with the player they got back.
Kakko has more years of team control, while the 3rd and 5th going back might equalize that.
I know everyone in this thread is only talking about Kakko, and I'd even say that there's more upside in the trade for Seattle. But I don't think this is as lopsided of a trade as people initially claimed (myself included).
Pavel Buchnevich
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Copium.
Lafreniere has been better than Kakko for two seasons at this point, and has more upside.
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Maybe I'm crazy?
Seems like a solid trade for NYR. Those numbers are out 10 right?
out of those 25 1st round draft picks.... only 3 players have scored 20+ goals in a season with the Rangers...
I knew it was bad but I didn't realize it was that bad
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elmaco
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So obviously this will go down as one of the worst trades of all time with even staunch Ranger fans admitting it, but as a neutral fan where do you think this will rank all-time in 20 years? Top 10? Top 5?
I don't know which is worse, the trade or the fact NYR couldn't get anything out of Kakko
It's not the best list, but you make it sound worse than it is.
Out of those 25 players, 11 were defensemen or goalies who you couldn't really expect to score 20+ goals. One of the players died before he could get to the NHL, another two are too young to have had a realistic shot at 20 goals yet. So you are down to 11 players.
Of these 11 players, four actually scored 20+ goals for the Rangers (Kreider, Miller, Chytil, Lafreniere) in a season. Kakko came close, while Korpikoski got traded before he really had any chance. Meaning five never got close, which is quite bad, considering the lowest pick of them was 12th overall, but not as bad as your statement suggested.
There are some disappointments among the really high picks, but the outright flops are mostly from ages ago. The Rangers had some good teams at times during this period, so it's not that surprising if a prospect got stuck, or was traded for an established player before he broke out. Still, it cannot be overlooked that most of the best careers on the list largely happened elsewhere.
1 EJ Emery 2024 (30) -> too early to say, and late 1st anyway
2 G. Perreault 2023 (23) -> too early to say, and late 1st anyway
3 B. Othmann. 2021 (16) -> too early to say
4 A. Lafreniere. 2020 (1) -> disappointing for a 1st overall, but otherwise pretty solid
5 B. Schneider. 2020 (19) -> good career so far
6 K. Kakko. 2019 (2) -> disappointing for a 2nd overall, but still pretty decent player
7 V. Kravtsov. 2018 (9) -> flop
8 K. Miller. 2018 (22) -> good career so far
9 N. Lundkvist. 2018 (28) -> solid career for a late 1st so far
10 L. Andersson. 2017 (7) -> flop
11 F. Chytil. 2017 (21) -> good but with health issues
12 B. Skjei. 2012 (28) ->very good NHL-career, especially for a late 1st
13 J.T. Miller. 2011 (15) -> very good NHL-career
14 D. McIlrath. 2010 (10) -> flop
15 C. Kreider. 2009 (19) -> good NHL-career with a late burst and a high peak
16 M. Del Zotto. 2008 (20) -> solid NHL-career
17 Alexei Cherepanov. 2007 (17) -> died early
18 B. Sanguinetti 2006 (21) -> flop, but pretty late first so not that unusual
19 M. Staal 2005 (12) -> 1000+ games played, very good career
20 A. Montoya 2004 (6) -> disappointment, career-backup, traded before he played for the Rangers
21 L. Korpikoski 2004 (19) -> decent(ish) NHL-career, but traded before he could do much for the Rangers
22 H. Jessiman. 2003 (12) -> flop
23 D. Blackburn. 2001 (10) -> career derailed by injuries
24 P. Brendl. 1999 (4) -> flop
25 J. Lundmark. 1999 (9) -> flop
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