Confirmed with Link: Scott Arniel named Winnipeg Jets head coach

[bustamente]

there are teams that haven't made the playoffs in years, teams rebuilding after rebuilding...

Imagine being a fan of the Buffalo Sabres

 

[surixon]

I'm cool with being a top 5 team if that's what passes for a laughingstock.

Yup, we've made the playoffs 6 of the last 7 years. A good many teams can't say the same. Yes we haven't had enough playoff success but maybe we should be thankful we aren't fans of perennial rebuilding teams.

 

[10Ducky10]

Imagine being a fan of the Buffalo Sabres

Adams goes into last season with no goalie...how does he keep his job?
This team makes the playoffs with an average goalie.

 

[CaptainUgly]

So, finishing 4th in the league with 110 points while allowing the fewest goals against is defined as "not working"?

Hot take

What's the likelihood of repeating that next year and if they don't is it deemed a failure?

 

[Orrrules]

What's the likelihood of repeating that next year and if they don't is it deemed a failure?

Depends if they get blown out in the first round again.

Hey the Jets fooled a lot of hockey people last year, many had them making a deep playoff run. Hard to say why they fell so flat on their faces but I trust that the brain trust knows and will try to correct it.

 

[KingBogo]

The Winnipeg Jets: the new laughing stock team in the NHL.

This is a stretch. Most markets barely notice us and there are actual laughing stocks that miss the playoffs year after year.

 

[KingBogo]

Yup, we've made the playoffs 6 of the last 7 years. A good many teams can't say the same. Yes we haven't had enough playoff success but maybe we should be thankful we aren't fans of perennial rebuilding teams.

I really don't think many around here realize how shitty it would be if we were one of the teams that are in perpetually rebuild and season after the season the main discussion around here is maximizing the tank and who we will draft and which players we will sell off. And keep having to do it as we are selling off the players we were dreaming about drafting a decade earlier.

 

[GeorgeJETson]

One prediction down. Two to go

Winnipeg Jets 2024-25 Coaching Thread

Most likely the jets are waiting on candidates so it bodes well they haven’t jumped at an announcement I would be totally on board with giving Nelson a shot. He literally did magic with a terrible oilers team in my opinion given that the same team was paltry with Eakins This is a good read...

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[surixon]

This is a stretch. Most markets barely notice us and there are actual laughing stocks that miss the playoffs year after year.

Also a good many orgs hire coaches from within or with connections to the org. Going with Arniel is no different then LA going with Hiller etc.

 

[Buffdog]

What's the likelihood of repeating that next year and if they don't is it deemed a failure?

I don't think they'll hit 110 again. Personally, I think they overachieved in the regular season and underacheived in the playoffs

That said, there are a lot of question marks between now and October with regards to the line up, most specifically Ehlers and the defense. It's too early to make any predictions... but if you held my feet to the fire, I'd say they'd finish 3rd in the central (but could be anywhere from 2nd to wildcard)

Moving forward, their obvious and most critical yardstick by which their progress will be measured will be in the playoffs

 

[Teppo Numenor]

I don't think they'll hit 110 again. Personally, I think they overachieved in the regular season and underacheived in the playoffs

That said, there are a lot of question marks between now and October with regards to the line up, most specifically Ehlers and the defense. It's too early to make any predictions... but if you held my feet to the fire, I'd say they'd finish 3rd in the central (but could be anywhere from 2nd to wildcard)

Moving forward, their obvious and most critical yardstick by which their progress will be measured will be in the playoffs

Maybe they only squeak in but go on a run. Maybe. Maybe we will have to wait and see.

 

[WolfHouse]

Imagine being a fan of the Buffalo Sabres

Or a Jets 1.0 fan

 

[Buffdog]

Maybe they only squeak in but go on a run. Maybe. Maybe we will have to wait and see.

It's ironic that that's what I was hoping for this season lol

 

[Dale53130]

Or a Jets 1.0 fan

I'm not sure that we should have made it into the playoffs all of those years (especially 1985-86, what the heck happened there), but we somehow made it in 11 times in 17 years.

 

[Dale53130]

He won't be getting a Christmas card from Arniel either.

But Arniel might be getting a card from him. And I'd be sure to hire some "special teams" to study said parcel before opening it, if you know what I mean.

 

[razorsedge]

Having thought more about this, I like the hire. He had brief stint as a HC on a bad team with whiny player agents.

Tired of retread coaches being hired simply because they were already coaches. The guy has a ton of NHL experience as a player and behind the bench. Has done his time in the minors and as an assistant. Maybe he'll have a fresh perspective on the game and how to get this team of middling talent to play as a proper team when it matters most.

I dont mind the promoting from within the organization. Wished it was done more often in pro sports and in other industries in the workforce.

 

[WolfHouse]

I'm not sure that we should have made it into the playoffs all of those years (especially 1985-86, what the heck happened there), but we somehow made it in 11 times in 17 years.

Buffalo has had some good teams that have hit better teams in the playoffs... same as the Jets... then they were sold a bill if goods by a shit GM that sold shit ownership on a bogus plan

1990s winnipeg jets are the current buffalo sabres... worse if you see how our draft capital panned out in Arizona

 

[MarkWheeler]

I’m not even sure it matters who coaches this team. The core has proven year after year it can’t handle the playoffs. The hope has to be that this next wave of prospects can bring something that Scheifele, Connor, Ehlers, Morrissey and Helly haven’t been able to. I have no real issue with Arniel, but this roster needs a lot of help.

and Chevy ain’t the guy to do it. That’s been proven

 

[Dale53130]

Buffalo has had some good teams that have hit better teams in the playoffs... same as the Jets... then they were sold a bill if goods by a shit GM that sold shit ownership on a bogus plan

1990s winnipeg jets are the current buffalo sabres... worse if you see how our draft capital panned out in Arizona

There's really no excuse for the Jets to not be significantly better than they were in 1993-94 and 1994-95, but, Buffalo's missed the playoffs 13 years in a row.

Paddock should get more flack than he does. Mike Smith drafted extremely well (outside of Bautin), and he should get some credit for that.

 

[Jets 31]

Having thought more about this, I like the hire. He had brief stint as a HC on a bad team with whiny player agents.

Tired of retread coaches being hired simply because they were already coaches. The guy has a ton of NHL experience as a player and behind the bench. Has done his time in the minors and as an assistant. Maybe he'll have a fresh perspective on the game and how to get this team of middling talent to play as a proper team when it matters most.

I dont mind the promoting from within the organization. Wished it was done more often in pro sports and in other industries in the workforce.

Hey you get that positive outlook the hell out of here. Arniel is a horrible choice for head coach and we have no chance of even competing next season and beyond.

 

[Jets 31]

So where do THEY see any 10% improvement? 10% may be getting thrown around as though it is a small ask but the team improving 10% would be huge.

Our top core players are all on the wrong side of their peak performances. None are likely to improve at all, much less 10%.

It is going to be up to roster change to get any improvement. What does Chevy have in mind?



Not sure about skill, but we never saw anything remotely like that intensity from the Jets.


No goalie ever steals a game when he can't see the puck.

I will say it again i agree we got thoroughly outplayed and i am not blaming these playoffs all on Helly but he's considered one of , if not the best goalie in the league so this can't happen, tie game late in the 2nd period with us up 1 game to none....

 

[Jet]

There's really no excuse for the Jets to not be significantly better than they were in 1993-94 and 1994-95, but, Buffalo's missed the playoffs 13 years in a row.

Paddock should get more flack than he does. Mike Smith drafted extremely well (outside of Bautin), and he should get some credit for that.

Smith is so hated but he really was on the leading edge of creative drafting.

He actually had a bunch of misses but his hits were excellent.

I will say it again i agree we got thoroughly outplayed and i am not blaming these playoffs all on Helly but he's considered one of , if not the best goalie in the league so this can't happen, tie game late in the 2nd period with us up 1 game to none....

Yeah if we had vezinabuyck we still may not have won the series but it would have been a series at least

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

I will say it again i agree we got thoroughly outplayed and i am not blaming these playoffs all on Helly but he's considered one of , if not the best goalie in the league so this can't happen, tie game late in the 2nd period with us up 1 game to none....

So ..... you are blaming Hellebuyck.

 

[MardyBum]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1794116322235715925

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That was at ES. The special teams were even worse.

It was the whole team, pls, stop lol.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

I really don't think many around here realize how shitty it would be if we were one of the teams that are in perpetually rebuild and season after the season the main discussion around here is maximizing the tank and who we will draft and which players we will sell off. And keep having to do it as we are selling off the players we were dreaming about drafting a decade earlier.

Yes - and no.

Being stuck in an endless effort to take the next step is pretty much the same whether it is that endless rebuild or that endless weak PO performance.

They are not identical, obviously. I prefer good regular season, bad PO to bad regular season, no PO. But both are stuck in mud with the tires spinning.

Starting from either position, you want to see movement in the direction of the goal, not stagnation.

The argument against a rebuild is always the same. Look at the teams whose rebuilds fail over very extended periods. But not all rebuilds fail. At least the bottom feeders can get excited for the draft and the potential of their young players.