I really like this trade from Vegas's perspective, yes you can't find guys like Cotter lying around much but they're not all that valuable. I do like that Cotter is a left shot and do think he will be a pain in the ass to play against but yeah, not thrilled.
Confirmed with Link: Schmid and Holtz traded to VGK for Paul Cotter and 2025 3rd rounder
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Selling at crater low value for a fourth liner.
if this tells us anything, Fitz is just about ready to go off in FA.
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They DID kind of have to trade off one of Schmid/Daws/Poulter this offseason though, you couldn't really have all three in the AHL
I hate to do this again though but everyone was ****ing for a McLeod replacement. We just got one
NOT LIKE THAT
I hate to do this again though but everyone was ****ing for a McLeod replacement. We just got one
NOT LIKE THAT
Emperoreddy
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Holtz has no value. They tried to include him in the Timo trade and the Sharks didn't want him.
They tried again in the Markstrom trade and Calgary didn't want him
They tried again in the Markstrom trade and Calgary didn't want him
I disagree that Schmid had little value, it all depends on what you mean - Schmid is a great 3rd goalie to have right now as he is still waiver-ineligible. He had a down year but to me his value should've been around a 3rd or a 4th round pick, chances are he's never an NHL starter but he has that potential and even if he improves a little bit, he's a backup.
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Cotter is decent defensively, it seems?
NHL teams must have turned over Holtz's game a bunch for this to be the value. Can't say I blame them. But gotta hate this kind of return for a former No. 7 that put up that amount of goals in that TOI.
NHL teams must have turned over Holtz's game a bunch for this to be the value. Can't say I blame them. But gotta hate this kind of return for a former No. 7 that put up that amount of goals in that TOI.
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Where was Holtz gonna play this year in our lineup?
I’ve previously said I thought Holtz’s value was at most a 3rd round pick at this point. Is Schmid for Cotter a bad deal? Cotter seems like a solid 4th liner and is cheap. We have a logjam of goalie prospects and I’m not sure they have that much belief in Schmid anymore.
its def shocking because of what we once thought these players were gonna be.
but now that I think of it, Schmid for Cotter would be a good trade for us and Holtz's value is seemingly a 3rd round pick.
but now that I think of it, Schmid for Cotter would be a good trade for us and Holtz's value is seemingly a 3rd round pick.
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Agreed, Id think hes worth a 4th at this point and time with our org depth now in net - it makes zero sense to keep him.
League min for 2 more years and Cotter averages 3 hits per game. Think we just found our big physical 4th line LW that we needed on a good contract.
Would have liked to have kept Schmid but I'm mostly fine with this. Not a believer in Holtz.
Would have liked to have kept Schmid but I'm mostly fine with this. Not a believer in Holtz.
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I wouldn't be surprised if Schmid asked for a trade after getting jerked around the last few years.
Holtz clearly didn't have a future here but I would have liked for them to have been a little more patient. Regardless, it's clear his value isn't' very high and that GMs view him as more of a reclamation project than anything else.
Cotter is listed as a Center but he only took 53 faceoffs in 76 games last year. Doesn't seem to play special teams either.
This just seems like garbage in/garbage out so I'm not going to throw a tantrum. Still don't really get it.
Holtz clearly didn't have a future here but I would have liked for them to have been a little more patient. Regardless, it's clear his value isn't' very high and that GMs view him as more of a reclamation project than anything else.
Cotter is listed as a Center but he only took 53 faceoffs in 76 games last year. Doesn't seem to play special teams either.
This just seems like garbage in/garbage out so I'm not going to throw a tantrum. Still don't really get it.
Emperoreddy
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It really doesn't feel like we got maximum value out of all our top trade pieces this weekend at all though.
We kept 10th overall. We traded Marino for futures, and Holtz+Schmid for a 4th liner (though to his credit he seems like a good 4th liner which we did need)
We kept 10th overall. We traded Marino for futures, and Holtz+Schmid for a 4th liner (though to his credit he seems like a good 4th liner which we did need)
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What the f*** is a Paul Cotter??
SteveCangialosi123
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He has some wheels at least. Signed for 2 more years at 775K. I can see some appeal there. We’ll see.
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We really don't have the money for it besides what we've heard already. Pesce, Dillon and you have enough left for a middle six guy who will command a multi year deal (or two guys trying to rebuild value)
It sucks when the key to a deal is a very low contract but that is what is going on here, Cotter is signed for 2 years at league minimum when he is clearly much better than that. The Devils paid Schmid and Holtz to get a pick but also to not have to try to outbid the 20 teams for Yakov Trenin on Monday.
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I am at least very excited for Akira Schmid to have a chance to develop away from the goalie killer Dave Rogalski. Wouldn't surprise me if he has a huge breakout season as a #2 in Vegas.
From Vegas perspective this might be more of a trade for Schmid and than Holtz considering they moved out Thompson to save a little cap space.
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This needs to be our avatar slogan if we make the playoffs lmao
