Post-Game Talk: SCF = Shitty Cup Final

Drivesaitl

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Yamo played with heart.
The little engine that couldn't. Trust me everybody you're glad he's gone. We wouldn't even be getting the original Yamamoto but the bruised and battered Yams that has pretty much been reduced to mashed Yams. Was probably the worst player in the Kraken lineup. Which is saying a lot.

Can you lend us Pastrnak, McAvoy and Swayman?

I’ll take the good (not Louie) DeBrusk too.
Nurse, Campbell, Kane and of course we thrown in Skinner and draft picks. lol

Maybe Bruins could hire Chiarelli back to sign off on this deal. its only fair..
 

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The little engine that couldn't. Trust me everybody you're glad he's gone. We wouldn't even be getting the original Yamamoto but the bruised and battered Yams that has pretty much been reduced to mashed Yams. Was probably the worst player in the Kraken lineup. Which is saying a lot.


Nurse, Campbell, Kane and of course we thrown in Skinner and draft picks. lol

Maybe Bruins could hire Chiarelli back to sign off on this deal.

My frustration watching the ineptitude of Kane, Foegele and McLeod on the walls in the D zone pales in comparison to what I felt watching Yamamoto there.
 

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My frustration watching the ineptitude of Kane, Foegele and McLeod on the walls in the D zone pales in comparison to what I felt watching Yamamoto there.
Size at least impacts. Even bad injured Kane is better than yams out there. Lets not forget how much Yams had primo minutes with Drai here and rarely got anything done. Two stints in his whole career where he heated up for a bit.

As much as we bitch about Foegele and McLeod they were miles better than Yams as any option, this season. Sometimes its a grass is greener attraction. We got what we got. I personally cannot blame Holland for McLeod because I thought he would develop.

I think the real miscues is burying Campbell all year. Failure to use Gagner hardly at all, Not bringing Broberg in earlier, and the offseason Brown addition compounded with adding useless Perry. Yams would be better than fossilized Perry. I give you that.

Yams was always awful in playoffs. Predictably.
 
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My frustration watching the ineptitude of Kane, Foegele and McLeod on the walls in the D zone pales in comparison to what I felt watching Yamamoto there.
This SCF has been a big reveal for this team in terms of quality of the players and/or their will to win.
 
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Disagree. How can he execute what he isn’t taught? It is a coaching issue, and that’s why he went to a biomechanics coach to help his movements. The examples they gave (Woodley and Fuhr), and it was in my last post, how he goes into the butterfly. They contrasted that with Bob and he goes down. His tracking of the puck back to front was specifically mentioned. Also, when he gets beat and looks bad is when he isn’t prepared for the shot(second goal). He was in a bad position to begin with and couldn’t recover fast enough (poor mechanics). This is all coachable with slight mechanical adjustments.

Agree with you the games weren’t on Skinner. I stated that in my previous post. You aren’t winning by scoring one goal in 2 games.
Listen again to their interview. Lots of positives for the goaltender and talk of how things like reading the play will improve with experience. Skinner is not an athletic goaltender. The book has always been about getting him moving laterally. The interview also cites the difference between Bob's natural athleticism and Skinner's (and others who don't have it) in terms of the former's wide butterfly stance and ability to push strongly laterally. Skinner should adjust as suggested to a more vertical butterfly to enable strong push. Skinner's tracking is a developmental need and as Fuhr reinforced something that grows with experience. Realizing you have more time than you think to look and survey. Talked also about how he benefited as a small goalie of his learned experience practicing against the best player and team in history. Of course he's too modest to acknowledge he was likely the most athletic goaltender of his generation with cat-like reflexes and an innate mental toughness and resiliency to never give up that final goal. Gretzky considers him the best money goalie in NHL history for a reason. Add that he was an elite pedigree goaltender when drafted.

Of course Skinner should tap into all available additional goaltending support just like the goaltender coach team work with the bio mechanics coaching collaboration with end of (hockey) life Mike Smith. That's the reality of goaltending - there are multiple specialists used for a unique position in sports that's technical and high mental strength and resiliency. All of this work is done in facilitation with the team's goaltender coach and an integrated approach to build up a mid-level prospect whose had to deliver deep water survival to backstop a Cup competition team.

There's a decade of coaching and trust built between coach and the only Oilers prospect in a decade to elevate into an NHL starting goaltender. Skinner isn't a finished product like the other guy in net but rather building his game and stacking wins behind a team fighting for a Cup. Lots of positives to consider including huge saves last night which weren't talked about in a short interview.
 

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This SCF has been a big reveal for this team in terms of will to win.

Honestly the only players I would flag for that are 71, 37 and 25. I perceive more or less everyone else playing up to their abilities, or even elevating beyond their abilities. Kane has been shit too, but I'll give him a break due to injury (thought he was really good through the first two rounds).

You can get away winning in the regular season dragging around dead weight here or there every night, but when the games are this close, this high pace, and this detailed, the passengers that you can normally get away with having on your roster end up being the ones that cost you series.
 

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So you agree with me? I’m confused by the point you are trying to make


So you agree, giving up a 1st rounder was stupid for an overrated deal
You seem to want to narrowcast some sort of myopic vision that analytics is a magic bullet. It's a recurring theme you hold to and cherry pick to try to make a point. The credit is much broader than portraying it as Zito and Mehta. Zito's first hires were significantly experienced NHL management types with stellar talent assessment track records and direct experience. The super elite culture building head coach followed. Worth mentioning the priority and full scope of management talent the rookie GM aligned himself with to set his vision in motion. Mehta's been a really good hire to add to this support function and helping this management team as a group find latent talent through all sources.

The Florida management model holistically as constructed and built up over years is one to be studied and admired.
 

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Just saw a reverse angle on the Foegele hit. In what universe is that a 5 minute major. On the reverse angle you clearly see the initial point of contact was skate to puck and the Florida player turned his leg. I thought it was bad before but this angle was even worse :mad:
 
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Yeh lots of breakdowns went into they goal against. A scoring chance was given up that could have been prevented. Another shitty part about the whole sequence is that Verhage flubbed his shot too, and the flubbing found a hole over Skinners pad and beyond his blocker. If Verhage doesn’t flub that hits Skinner in the body it looks like.
Notable on the Oilers only goal it was McDavid's turn to so call 'school' Barkov on a great quick outlet to spring Ekholm. Barkov caught deep. And in both cases it was mistakes after the two elites play that resulted in goals.
 

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This SCF has been a big reveal for this team in terms of will to win.
Yamamoto had heart and battle. He just couldn't finish in a top 6 role with Drai, which was his downfall.

This current team has zero heart and desire in its entire bottom 9. FLA fwds are dominating this series in every zone, despite their terrible d-core. Too bad we got geriatrics like Henrique and Perry who are slow and lazy to supplement this team. What leadership they've shown. I was the only one saying Perry's leadership is a fraud and this guy has mailed it in. f***ing garbage player that is hoping to latch on and get a cup with no effort from himself.

Yams would've been an ideal 3rd liner for us, but we let him go because he couldn't produce, which was not really his skillset. If half of this roster had his heart and desire, we'd have a Cup by now, maybe more.


McL
Foegele
Perry
Ryan
Brown (effort is there)
Henrique
Kane
Carrick
Janmark (effort)
Holloway (too inexperienced, in over his head)

That's pretty much our entire bottom 9 that has been reduced to garbage/zero production at 5on5 for most of the playoffs.

We have 1 EN goal in the third period in the last 9/10 games.

We only had 3 forwards with shots last night. I REPEAT, ONLY THREE FORWARDS WITH SHOTS LAST NIGHT IN A STANLEY CUP FINALS GAME

I'm hoping we come back, but it's looking bleak. Hopefully this is wakeup call for new management to overhaul this entire bottom 9 and bring in players with work ethic and drive, and stop promoting based on league seniority (Perry)
 

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That was on the PK, where the Oilers use aggressive puck pressure on zone entries and along the boards to force turnovers. In did lead to them killing 30+ straight penalties. Expecting them to be perfect on every kill is unreasonable.
No, it was on the PP. The fact a ton of people liked your post despite not realizing we were on the advantage rather than a PK there is very concerning.
 
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Notable on the Oilers only goal it was McDavid's turn to so call 'school' Barkov on a great quick outlet to spring Ekholm. Barkov caught deep. And in both cases it was mistakes after the two elites play that resulted in goals.
Par for the course with the Barkov dick sucking these playoffs. Dude gets praised for that defensive play on Drai in game 1 that conspired of 2 slashes to Drais hands to complete that play.
 

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Must've got the memo that the NHL wasn't gonna look at additional discipline for Drai. Not sure if its been mentioed here but Subban was angry about it and that Drai and Foegele should have had suspensions. Messier, staring like a dope just nodded head and said nothing to counter despite Mess as a player doing worse 500X in playoff play in his career. indeed the Drai play could easily be characterized as a Mess play, a Gordie Howe play, and its always been part of the game. I'm not gonna cry over the elbow, its again what the fans here said had to happen to mitigate the best Florida player. To let him know you're there.

Oilers fans: We gotta get in Barkovs grill, we can't let it be easy for him out there.

Drai does exactly what is asked and what is needed.

Some Oilers fans: Well we didn't want it like that.

lol
There's a difference between getting in a guy's grill with clean, hard physicality and leaving your feet with an elbow to the face to commit a penalty in a 2-1 game with about 7 minutes to go with possibilty of being suspended the next game. I don't see how what he did to Barkov was what was needed, can you elaborate?

Furthermore, what Messier did with his elbow shots was a totally different time when stuff like that was a part of the game. Can't do that anymore.
Drai could have sent a physical message without crossing the line of what is legal in today's game but instead he chose the route that hurt his team, the selfish route because he was frustrated about being locked down.

Just to add, I've always been a big fan of Drai but I'm not a fan of his when he gets frustrated because he tends to do selfish, reckless things when he gets like that.

I will agree that Subban is a Grade A moron. Not only with his clown takes but also trying to be the "funny guy" on ESPN but instead coming off as a cringemeister. Guy thinks he's the next Barkley, laughable.
 

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Must've got the memo that the NHL wasn't gonna look at additional discipline for Drai. Not sure if its been mentioed here but Subban was angry about it and that Drai and Foegele should have had suspensions. Messier, staring like a dope just nodded head and said nothing to counter despite Mess as a player doing worse 500X in playoff play in his career. indeed the Drai play could easily be characterized as a Mess play, a Gordie Howe play, and its always been part of the game. I'm not gonna cry over the elbow, its again what the fans here said had to happen to mitigate the best Florida player. To let him know you're there.

Oilers fans: We gotta get in Barkovs grill, we can't let it be easy for him out there.

Drai does exactly what is asked and what is needed.

Some Oilers fans: Well we didn't want it like that.

lol

Lol I think Messier just thought he was an idiot and didn't feel like arguing. You can see his eyes narrow and the wheels turning in his brain like "ah, this dope isn't worth my time."

I also think Messier is smart enough to know the world is a different place from when he was in his prime and he doesn't really know what the standard is, so you can tell he avoided providing any real stance on the matter. 😂 Which frankly I thought was pretty wise.

A little gutless maybe, but wise. I'd probably get myself inundated with messages from butthurt fans if I was in his spot and kick myself for it.
 
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Just saw a reverse angle on the Foegele hit. In what universe is that a 5 minute major. On the reverse angle you clearly see the initial point of contact was skate to puck and the Florida player turned his leg. I thought it was bad before but this angle was even worse :mad:

Although I think it was a major (only by the NHL's idiotic standard that dictates that its an auto major is someone is "injured"), I think its a f***ing disgrace that they bothered to review it for all of about 10 seconds. It's blatantly negligent, and I can't help but wonder if it's vindictive in some way as well. The only possible mindset an official could have reviewing a play for that short of time is to say "knew it, f*** you, confirmed."

I've probably watched over 1,000 NHL games since review came in, and in that time I can only remember two instances where the review was under 20/30 seconds - last night and the goalie interference challenge on the tying goal in Game 5 against the Ducks in 2017.

Must just be a crazy coincidence that it has only occurred against one team and both times in the playoffs.
 
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The optimal window is the next two years but there's no reason to think that, with a rising cap, the team can't be competitive beyond that. And back to the original point, I don't see Drai wanting to go anywhere else.



Ask Ken Holland, he'll tell you there's only one management group a good GM needs:
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Holy hell they still make them? 😂
 

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There's a difference between getting in a guy's grill with clean, hard physicality and leaving your feet with an elbow to the face to commit a penalty in a 2-1 game with about 7 minutes to go with possibilty of being suspended the next game. I don't see how what he did to Barkov was what was needed, can you elaborate?

Furthermore, what Messier did with his elbow shots was a totally different time when stuff like that was a part of the game. Can't do that anymore.
Drai could have sent a physical message without crossing the line of what is legal in today's game but instead he chose the route that hurt his team, the selfish route because he was frustrated about being locked down.

Just to add, I've always been a big fan of Drai but I'm not a fan of his when he gets frustrated because he tends to do selfish, reckless things when he gets like that.

I will agree that Subban is a Grade A moron. Not only with his clown takes but also trying to be the "funny guy" on ESPN but instead coming off as a cringemeister. Guy thinks he's the next Barkley, laughable.
The Quid pro quo message was clear. If aholes like Bennett think they can run our guys with impunity we can do shit too. Whether you agree with the tactic or not the game was essentially over, The Oilers were getting nothing, and even goalie pulled for over 5mins they were getting nothing. A check is going to do nothing against Barkov, he's built like a tank. Florida have Bennett punching guys in the face and Ekblad performing choke holds. They send this tape to league office. Hypocrites,

Drai has also been hard finishing hits on Bennett and other and in game one instance causing a Bennett retaliation.
 

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Par for the course with the Barkov dick sucking these playoffs. Dude gets praised for that defensive play on Drai in game 1 that conspired of 2 slashes to Drais hands to complete that play.
He's a really good player. But Florida's team defense has been stellar as a group and they have a rare commodity, a true elite goaltender behind that. Oil are going to have to adapt their strategy and some of their tendencies to overhandle the puck, look for ol' trusty Draisaitl right side one-timer, and forcing cross seam passes against this defense that's bottling up home plate.

Will be really interesting to see how the Oilers adjust with an extra day and moving on to home ice and more flexibility with running their lines. Season's on the line with game 3.
 

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Holy hell they still make them? 😂

At my job people have to spend time making special reports for ownership/management that don't have the patience or wherewithal to adapt to reporting that might be a little different to what they're used to.

That's 100% what this is as well. "We still get asked by a handful of GMs for this, so we have to keep making it."
 
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He's a really good player. But Florida's team defense has been stellar as a group and they have a rare commodity, a true elite goaltender behind that. Oil are going to have to adapt their strategy and some of their tendencies to overhandle the puck, look for ol' trusty Draisaitl right side one-timer, and forcing cross seam passes against this defense that's bottling up home plate.

Will be really interesting to see how the Oilers adjust with an extra day and moving on to home ice and more flexibility with running their lines. Season's on the line with game 3.
He is. But he makes plenty of mistakes still. And his defensive prowess is still overrated. Slashes to complete a defensive play isn’t elite defensive play, it’s just cheating and getting away with it. That said he’s still really good.
 
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