Rumor: San Jose trying to trade Evander Kane

[polmaniac932]

When was this mythical era of the Sharks being a destination franchise? Who where these high profile UFAs that choose to sign in San Jose over taking better offers elsewhere? I certainly don’t recall any.

There were several players in late 2000s/early 2010s who signed for way less than market dictated. Manny Malhotra signed for pennies when he was a top FO player in league In a bottom 6 role.

Also, UFA is not the only way a team becomes a “destination.” There were quite a few players who waived their limited NTCs to land in SJ when they were pretty sought after: Heatley and Guerin to name a couple.

I’m sure I’m forgetting others, too. But yeah, they were a destination.

 

[jMoneyBrah]

There were several players in late 2000s/early 2010s who signed for way less than market dictated. Manny Malhotra signed for pennies when he was a top FO player in league In a bottom 6 role.

Also, UFA is not the only way a team becomes a “destination.” There were quite a few players who waived their limited NTCs to land in SJ when they were pretty sought after: Heatley and Guerin to name a couple.

I’m sure I’m forgetting others, too. But yeah, they were a destination.

If Manny Malholtra is the best San Jose gets attracting difference makers for their being a “destination” I’m not sure that is proving your point very well. Especially considering the highest profile UFA signings in the last decade were an aging Paul Martin (for a bit of an overpay with a year more than should have been needed) and a similar situation in Joel Ward. Hardly the cream of the crop.

In regards to the trades, it’s not like those players have the pick of any team to determine where they land - in Heatley’s case, it’s not like the entire league lined up to pay the cost and he chose San Jose. Likely he was given a small handful of teams and chose as he did for his own reasons.

Additionally, immediate exits by Guerin, Campbell, and before that Belfour doesn’t exactly paint a picture of a destination franchise.

My point being, I’m not sure one could really argue Wilson had his pick of top players to sign at team friendly deals and didn’t take advantage which is what your original post implies. There’s plenty to knock Wilson for on his recent stewardship of the org without pretending this is one of them. In so much as you could credit San Jose for being a destination, you’d also have to grant Wilson credit for making it so with the success he presided over and the way he has run the org and treated players (again, I personally wouldn’t make the case SJ is a destination franchise.)

 

[Irie]

When was this mythical era of the Sharks being a destination franchise? Who where these high profile UFAs that choose to sign in San Jose over taking better offers elsewhere? I certainly don’t recall any.

In the NHL, when it comes to the top UFAs, money talks.

Marquee UFAs more often then not sign for top dollar, or re-sign with their current team.

Wilson has historically been very much against overspending on other teams top UFAs. Other than Tavares, when rumours of his offers have leaked they have all been low term or low AAV.

You are right that San Jose has not attracted any top flight UFAs, but I am just not sure that is really due to anything other than Wilson's penchant for not spending what is required to bring new players into the mix - for better or worse.

 

[jMoneyBrah]

In the NHL, when it comes to the top UFAs, money talks.

Marquee UFAs more often then not sign for top dollar, or re-sign with their current team.

Wilson has historically been very much against overspending on other teams top UFAs. Other than Tavares, when rumours of his offers have leaked they have all been low term or low AAV.

You are right that San Jose has not attracted any top flight UFAs, but I am just not sure that is really due to anything other than Wilson's penchant for not spending what is required to bring new players into the mix - for better or worse.

I agree with all of that. My contention is with the notion San Jose is or has been a destination franchise - I’ve just not seen any evidence it’s a notable feature of the franchise. If it were, and there were free agents that where targeting San Jose as a signing destination that implies they are willing to sacrifice on term or salary to sign in their preferred destination, in which case Wilson’s approach to free agency wouldn’t be a deal breaker for them.

I get the impression that San Jose is as much a destination franchise as Nashville is a destination franchise - similar track record as a consistently competitive team, with different weather, a different scene, and higher taxes.

 

[ole ole]

There were several players in late 2000s/early 2010s who signed for way less than market dictated. Manny Malhotra signed for pennies when he was a top FO player in league In a bottom 6 role.

Also, UFA is not the only way a team becomes a “destination.” There were quite a few players who waived their limited NTCs to land in SJ when they were pretty sought after: Heatley and Guerin to name a couple.

I’m sure I’m forgetting others, too. But yeah, they were a destination.

Manny Malhotra

 

[ole ole]

Kevin leblanc, Marriott ferrao and evander kane

For

Mitch marner and travis dermont

The cap is about even in this trade.

Reason for the sharks obv they get rid of kane and get out of a terrible situation. All while adding a young overpaid superstar and decent young dman

Reason why thenleafs do it. Quantity over quality by adding leblanc and kane it helps spread the dollars around on 2 fowards vs 1 making there foward group deeper and better overall. mario ferrao would be a light upgrade over dermont.

Is this trade fair in value? Possible? Aside from kane being a locker room cancer is the value for only ice play fair ?

Nothing worst than someone pretending to be a fan of a team.
I hate the Leafs but this is possibly the worst offer i have ever seen on this board .

 

[Hasbro]

Sharks fans what do you think the team does going forward? The cap looks dire and Kane is a kidney stone.

 

[iCanada]

He has a M-NTC - player submits a list of 3 teams he can be traded to.

Yikes.

My guesses (based on 17.3 seconds of thought); NYR, Boston, Canucks

You missed Vegas.

 

[Cas]

Sharks fans what do you think the team does going forward? The cap looks dire and Kane is a kidney stone.

If Kane bet on his games, the league kicks him out and they compete for Wright this year.

If Kane didn't bet on his games, Kane goes 30-30 and they still suck.

Right now, they just have to outlast or buy out their bad contracts, because they're mostly untradable. There's not much else they can do but wait until they can move on from them.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

So the team did it, not the league. Thanks, chief.

The league ALSO has the capability of terminating a contract genius.

 

[Kcoyote3]

Sharks fans what do you think the team does going forward? The cap looks dire and Kane is a kidney stone.

Re-sign Hertl and Ferraro. If the team is good this year and makes the playoffs, keep the same team for next year and infuse with Bordeleau/Eklund/Kniazev/Ozzy next year on cheap ELCs and go for it again.

If the team is bad this year, move on from Burns either at the deadline or in offseason, retain 2 million at maximum. Hope Vlasic gets LTIRd. Hope Karlsson can at least be a stupidly expensive PP specialist in the future. Still infuse talent and hope for a high pick in 2022/2023

 

[benedictTavares]

If Kane bet on his games, the league kicks him out and they compete for Wright this year.

If Kane didn't bet on his games, Kane goes 30-30 and they still suck.

Right now, they just have to outlast or buy out their bad contracts, because they're mostly untradable. There's not much else they can do but wait until they can move on from them.

if he bet on ANY NHL games he is done for the season and the Sharks probably void his contract.

 

[Dicdonya]

Sharks fans what do you think the team does going forward? The cap looks dire and Kane is a kidney stone.

Your guess is as good as any of ours.

DW seems to have put himself in quite the pickle, and now has the added stain of the Kane situation on his shirt, no idea what he does now, outside of continue to try and put lipstick on the pig that this team has become which is what he's doing so far.

 

[UseTheBoards]

The league ALSO has the capability of terminating a contract genius.

Which I said they won't do, because it is easier to make the Sharks do it

 

[Pinkfloyd]

Which I said they won't do, because it is easier to make the Sharks do it

There is no basis for this statement.

 

[Jumptheshark]

Latest news is interesting

 

[SharksAddict]

Sharks fans what do you think the team does going forward? The cap looks dire and Kane is a kidney stone.

I will not be pleased if he plays another game in a Sharks uniform.

That being said, it wouldn’t surprise me one bit given what they have already put up with to this point and their lack of options to replace him.

 

[kingsfan28]

You missed Vegas.

He'd fit right in with guys.

 

[FSL KINGS]

Latest news is interesting

The Sharks don't deserve this.

 

[Stewie Griffin]

The Sharks don't deserve this.

We're past that. What the Sharks are going through is separating the bandwagon and real fans.

 

[Dr Quincy]

Latest news is interesting

I hope this quiets the "this doesn't mean he's a bad guy" defense that was going on awhile back.

 

[Disgraced Cosmonaut]

Was wondering about how the old “innocent till proven otherwise” argument - which is all too often neglected in the court of public opinion, let alone these boards - would work, but it’s just not gonna fly here. I hate to say it but this will be a test case for the league in more ways than 1. The league and PA have their work cut out.

 

[Lindberg Cheese]

I hope this quiets the "this doesn't mean he's a bad guy" defense that was going on awhile back.

Don’t pretend you haven’t used that old abortion trick!! That one and the partying in Europe while your pregnant wife loses the house gag. This guy’s problems run far deeper than gambling. I wouldn’t let him anywhere near a team dynamic.

 

[Dr Quincy]

Was wondering about how the old “innocent till proven otherwise” argument - which is all too often neglected in the court of public opinion, let alone these boards - would work, but it’s just not gonna fly here. I hate to say it but this will be a test case for the league in more ways than 1. The league and PA have their work cut out.

Innocent until proven guilty is a wonderful and vital aspect of our criminal justice system.

However it isn't required in order for a person to have a personal opinion. Which is also wonderful...

 

[MXD]

I don't have anything to say, just wanted to have similar avatars posting back-to-back.

@Dr Quincy why did you have to ruin it?