Value of: Sami Vatanen

[Vancouver Canucks]

you were expecting me to say no weren't you?

Uh, what? No. I wasn't expecting anything from you.

 

[WhatTheDuck]

Ok so if you can't sign JVR, and can't sign any of the big 3 because they be more expensive than JVR then what are we looking at from the Leafs?

Currently I don't see anything that lines up on Vatanen to be honest, mostly for the reasons you've just pointed out. There's a chance the Ducks will consider moving him for futures in the off season to add cap flexibility but can't see that happening as long as they hold onto hope for this year.

 

[Kiwi]

Currently I don't see anything that lines up on Vatanen to be honest, mostly for the reasons you've just pointed out. There's a chance the Ducks will consider moving him for futures in the off season to add cap flexibility but can't see that happening as long as they hold onto hope for this year.

Connor Brown (RW)

2.1M cap hit this year and 2 more years beyond that
2-way forward that can play on a shutdown line
20 goals as a rookie last season and 7 goals and 11 points in 19 games this season
Early 20's age wise and still an RFA at the end of this contract

 

[elitepete]

I'm not sure if the Canucks can fare well with their shutdown defenseman gone. As much as Vatanen is lauded for his offensive capabilities, he lacks the shutdown skills to keep the puck out of the net. After all, it is not as the Canucks' goaltenders are doing very well.

Umm do you watch the Vancouver Canucks?
The Canucks "shutdown defensemen" is chris tanev, not gudbranson. Gudbranson is a 3rd pairing d that doesnt have much value in the trade, baertschi is the most valuable piece going to anaheim.

 

[Vancouver Canucks]

Umm do you watch the Vancouver Canucks?
The Canucks "shutdown defensemen" is chris tanev, not gudbranson. Gudbranson is a 3rd pairing d that doesnt have much value in the trade, baertschi is the most valuable piece going to anaheim.

Yeah, I do, and Tanev is the best shutdown defenseman in the team.

 

[96]

Not trading jvr for another offensive dman. We already have Rielly and Gardiner playing those minutes no thanks

 

[CantLoseWithMatthews]

Connor Brown (RW)

2.1M cap hit this year and 2 more years beyond that
2-way forward that can play on a shutdown line
20 goals as a rookie last season and 7 goals and 11 points in 19 games this season
Early 20's age wise and still an RFA at the end of this contract

No reason to move brown honestly. He's one of our few great defensive forwards and he's on pace for 50 points at 2m. He's insanely valuable

 

[Kiwi]

No reason to move brown honestly. He's one of our few great defensive forwards and he's on pace for 50 points at 2m. He's insanely valuable

Might as well make this thing interesting, put up something with decent value than the usual soon to be UFA culprits

 

[CantLoseWithMatthews]

Might as well make this thing interesting, put up something with decent value than the usual soon to be UFA culprits

then I'd want a piece like Manson from Anaheim. We have enough puck moving D who are easy to play against in our end

 

[go4hockey]

Vatanen for JvR then?

Typical crap offer.

 

[biotk]

then I'd want a piece like Manson from Anaheim. We have enough puck moving D who are easy to play against in our end

I agree with this. Problem is, of course, the Ducks value Manson very highly (as they should) so the Leafs won't be able to land him. But trading Brown for Vatanen makes no sense to me. I don't see a trade between the Leafs and the Ducks happening.

 

[PinkFly]

Typical crap offer.

We could add a 4th or 5th?

 

[CantLoseWithMatthews]

I agree with this. Problem is, of course, the Ducks value Manson very highly (as they should) so the Leafs won't be able to land him. But trading Brown for Vatanen makes no sense to me. I don't see a trade between the Leafs and the Ducks happening.

agreed.

 

[Liferleafer]

He was offering an overly reasonable reponse to your pointless post.

To the OP, I believe there's more than enough ice time to go around among our top D as they all bring different elements to the table. The emergence of Montour could possibly make Vatanen expendable, but only for a piece that's A) Cost controlled and B)Makes an immediate impact on our forward group with the ability to drive a line. Otherwise I'd personally rather just keep our deep D core intact and use 'B' assets to add a rental forward or two.

Um...i only made one post,....it wasn't a response to anyone, and it was just a poke at the endless JVR for Vats proposals on here....geez.

 

[Arthuros]

I'd like to see him go (ideally) for a 2nd-liner who is equally good at center or on the wing, even if we have to add a little bit. I could stomach maybe around 5.5M for whoever comes back, but that's about it, given Vatanen's signed at 4.875M. No rentals, though.

I don't think anyone fits that profile while needing Vatanen, though.

 

[WhatTheDuck]

Um...i only made one post,....it wasn't a response to anyone, and it was just a poke at the endless JVR for Vats proposals on here....geez.

Yeah that wasn't directed at you, somehow quoted the wrong post. I was speaking to the person who made a terrible offer and then couldn't comprehend the response they received.

 

[tony d]

Vatanen for JVR or Marner makes sense to me.

 

[Liferleafer]

Vatanen for JVR or Marner makes sense to me.

For JVR? Makes sense for TO...not Anaheim due to contract. For Marner? Just no from the Leafs end.

 

[Brock Radunske]

Connor Brown (RW)

2.1M cap hit this year and 2 more years beyond that
2-way forward that can play on a shutdown line
20 goals as a rookie last season and 7 goals and 11 points in 19 games this season
Early 20's age wise and still an RFA at the end of this contract

Brown won't be getting traded as long as Babs is there

 

[TOGuy14]

I'm not sure if the Canucks can fare well with their shutdown defenseman gone. As much as Vatanen is lauded for his offensive capabilities, he lacks the shutdown skills to keep the puck out of the net. After all, it is not as the Canucks' goaltenders are doing very well.

Did you just call Gudbranson a shutdown defender?

Oh boy...

 

[Duck Off]

Anaheim is playing Vat on the 3rd pairing. What will happen when Fowler returns? Do they finally flip Vatanen for a winger?

You could provide some substance to your OP. "Vatanen is on 3rd pairing". Never mind that he lead all of players in ice time last night...

He's been eased back in the lineup and he's already averaging 21 minutes a game.

What happens when Fowler returns? We run with the obvious defense of:

Lindholm-Manson/Vatanen
Fowler-Manson/Vatanen
Beauchemin-Montour

Clearly Murray didn't trade him this offseason because he wasn't happy with the offers. I think Murray is banking on a strong season from Vatanen with this stacked defense so his value increases and he's dealt this offseason.

Does this injury plague that we're dealing with change things? Maybe, but only for the right fit.

Can we please not go the JVR route. Duck fans don't want it, and most Leaf fans don't either. We're not trading Vatanen for an upcoming FA.

 

[Mallard]

Honestly I don't think there is a deal to be made between the Leafs and Ducks.

Leafs need someone like Manson and the Ducks can't/shouldn't move Manson. Ducks will probably move Vatanen and he does not fill a need for Toronto.

JVR would be nice on the Ducks but we can't afford to resign him.

Maybe something around Bozak but unless the Leafs want picks/prospects, I don't think the Ducks have any current roster players available to fill a Tornto need.

 

[StuckOutHere]

Hey guys, hear me out here.

JVR for Vatanen.

 

[Liferleafer]

Hey guys, hear me out here.

JVR for Vatanen.

What a new and fresh idea!! Surely this will generate some intelligent banter between Leafs/Ducks fans.

 

[lifelonghockeyfan]

From the Ducks view.....you can't have too many NHL defencemen. And look at the Ducks LW, JVR isn't really that needed.

Can we have presidential executive order or something. No JVR trades to Ducks. No Tanev trades to Leafs.