Sam Rosen was right (Historical impact of Rangers' roster moves)

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

We are not built like the Bruins. No reason to take any enjoyment from the team I root for.

If our opinions takes away your enjoyment from the team you root for, that's on you.

 

[Nightshift]

If our opinions takes away your enjoyment from the team you root for, that's on you.

It was sarcasm.

Though it certainly does seem to echo the sentiments of some elites on this board. They created an entire thread about it soon after acquiring a top 10 player. The thread should have been deleted. Instead they changed the name to something more PC as if that could alter the discussion.

 

[True Blue]

You guys really think these doom and gloomers get even a sliver of excitement from a Ranger W? You see these people in all walks of life. They have to complain, nitpick about anything. This team could hoist the cup in June and you'd still see posts whining about draft picks, a questionable trade, or the age of the GM. Its what these folks do. Its in the DNA. It does make for some good comedy though. At the end of the day, it really makes you wonder why they dedicate their time to something which is so hopelessly abysmal in their eyes.

Cue the "not a real Ranger fan" discussion....

Where is Melnyk when you need him?

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

It was sarcasm.

Though it certainly does seem to echo the sentiments of some elites on this board. They created an entire thread about it soon after acquiring a top 10 player. The thread should have been deleted. Instead they changed the name to something more PC as if that could alter the discussion.

I think a lot of the old-timers on this board are used to the Rangers acquiring top 10 players, or former top 10 players, or whatever, and it hasn't produced a ton of success because theres plenty of other roster spots to worry about.

MSL is a nice add. He is not a silver bullet.

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

Pretty strange that the "complainers" are the ones preaching a patient, pragmatic approach to team building.

 

[Nightshift]

I think a lot of the old-timers on this board are used to the Rangers acquiring top 10 players, or former top 10 players, or whatever, and it hasn't produced a ton of success because theres plenty of other roster spots to worry about.

MSL is a nice add. He is not a silver bullet.

So you know what to expect, decade after decade. If it aggravates you that much. Why dedicate your time to it?

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

So you know what to expect, decade after decade. If it aggravates you that much. Why dedicate your time to it?

Because I am a fan of the sport and the team, and I want them to be the best.

That last part is important.

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

It was sarcasm.

Though it certainly does seem to echo the sentiments of some elites on this board. They created an entire thread about it soon after acquiring a top 10 player. The thread should have been deleted. Instead they changed the name to something more PC as if that could alter the discussion.

We have a history of acquiring big names. I don't get quite seduced by these things anymore. Even the cockeyed optimist admits that this team still lacks a #1 center and a PMD—as if these are two pieces that are easy to acquire. They've been looking for a legit #1 since Mark Messier 1.0 and a PMD since Brian Leetch. And with those holes, they still will have given up two #1s and two 2s over the course of three drafts.

They have beens perennial playoff team. Sounds nice, but more teams make the playoffs than don't.

In a salary cap world, teams need to be able to reach into their farm system. If for no other reason than teams need to have those controlled contracts and cheap talent. That's part of the value of high draft picks. And with an already decimated farm system, where is that cheap talent coming from? They can't keep dropping multi-year, multi-million dollar contracts on third and fourth line player.

If this moves doesn't result in a Cup this season or next, it's a bad move. Pure and simple. If you can't see that, then you're as short-sighted as the now-heroic GM who operates as though nothing matters beyond this season.

 

[Nightshift]

Pretty strange that the "complainers" are the ones preaching a patient, pragmatic approach to team building.

And that is?

 

[True Blue]

Though it certainly does seem to echo the sentiments of some elites on this board.

I'm sorry, the "elites" on this board?

The thread should have been deleted.

And pray tell why should it have been deleted?

Instead they changed the name to something more PC as if that could alter the discussion.

The reason the mods added to the name is their own choice. However for those that saw it for what it was, the discussion theme did not change.

 

[Trxjw]

Because I am a fan of the sport and the team, and I want them to be the best.

That last part is important.

Get with it, man. Just roll over and take it like the real fans do.

 

[Nightshift]

And here they come...

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

Pretty strange that the "complainers" are the ones preaching a patient, pragmatic approach to team building.

And isn't it interesting that the most successful teams we've had of late have come around the time there was a brief respite from squandering picks in favor of developing home-grown talent.

I wonder how different things would be if Sather wasn't rescued from his own mistakes and wasn't able to buy out (or bury) Redden and Drury. Of if he wasn't able to fleece Bob Gainey and they were stuck with Gomez. I'll give him credit for finding a way to get rid of Gainey and getting McDonagh might go down as one of the most lopsided trades in history. But lets not act as if that was the grand plan all along.

It's taken 14 years to get here. It's amazing how many people what to gloss over that part.

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

Get with it, man. Just roll over and take it like the real fans do.

This whole discussion is amazing to me in the context of professional sports. Where you should be happy and smiling just because the team is playing hockey games.

 

[Nightshift]

This whole discussion is amazing to me in the context of professional sports. Where you should be happy and smiling just because the team is playing hockey games.

Anyone could take 3 minutes to comb over your posts to see you seemingly take little enjoyment from anything regarding this team. Other then the fact that you get to complain about it. But I know, you have the word bleed in your username.

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

Anyone could take 3 minutes to comb over your posts to see you seemingly take little enjoyment from anything regarding this team. Other then the fact that you get to complain about it. But I know, you have the word bleed in your username.

Lundqvist and McDonagh are really great players

...what stimulating discussion

 

[Nightshift]

Lundqvist and McDonagh are really great players

...what stimulating discussion

Funny you should mention it. They are great players. It is stimulating to discuss. 2 top players at their position and you mock there presence on the team.

 

[OverTheCap]

We have a history of acquiring big names. I don't get quite seduced by these things anymore. Even the cockeyed optimist admits that this team still lacks a #1 center and a PMD—as if these are two pieces that are easy to acquire. They've been looking for a legit #1 since Mark Messier 1.0 and a PMD since Brian Leetch. And with those holes, they still will have given up two #1s and two #s over the course of three drafts.

They have beens perennial playoff team. Sounds nice, but more teams make the playoffs than don't.

In a salary cap world, teams need to be able to reach into their farm system. If for no other reason than teams need to have those controlled contracts and cheap talent. That's part of the value of high draft picks. And with an already decimated farm system, where is that cheap talent coming from? They can't keep dropping multi-year, multi-million dollar contracts on third and fourth line player.

If this moves doesn't result in a Cup this season or next, it's a bad move. Pure and simple. If you can't see that, then you're as short-sighted as the now-heroic GM who operates as though nothing matters beyond this season.

Good post. A few years ago it seems like the Rangers took pride in having a homegrown roster and that has gotten away from them a little in recent years. They are trading away draft picks and not recouping them, while other teams who are also in "win now" mode such as Chicago, Boston, and LA have had more picks in the last two drafts the the Rangers had. It may not be a problem right now but it could be in a few years.

I know people will say "the Rangers don't draft that well anyway so it doesn't matter if they trade away picks." If that's the case, then the Rangers must invest more time and money into scouting and development. In a capped league, it is so important to have young, cost-controlled players constantly entering the pipeline. I get that finding elite talent in the draft is difficult when you don't have a lottery pick, but there is no excuse for the bottom 6 to be so deficient of cheap homegrown players.

 

[Trxjw]

And here they come...

Here they come? We've been in this thread discussing this for 28 pages. You're the one who came in here complaining that we're not all sunshine and rainbows.

 

[Trxjw]

This whole discussion is amazing to me in the context of professional sports. Where you should be happy and smiling just because the team is playing hockey games.

You clearly don't realize that being a GM is hard, and therefore we should just be happy with what we have.

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

You clearly don't realize that being a GM is hard, and therefore we should just be happy with what we have.

In Sather's defense, being a GM is less hard when you chuck assets towards disgruntled players demanding to come to NY.

 

[Hi ImHFNYR]

You really believe this so theres not much help I can give you.

If they gave out championships for RW depth, solid D, and a great goalie, I guess I'd be really happy.

I suppose Stepan, hagelin, kreider, Brassard, Boyle, Moore and Poo aren't worth anything at all. They're so laughably bad that they don't even count as depth?

Rick nash, and Martin St. Louis count as depth now and nothing more? MZA who is all over the ice and contributing offensively also only counts as depth? As I said you guys lose me because you begin to reach past logic and reason to emphasize the negative to the point where you are incorrect.

Nothing illustrates that more than this post here sir so i thank you for making my point for me

And again you zero in solely on "giving out a championship" which again illjustrates how anyone who goes against the "woe is me" stance of the "Evil, incompetent front office" has their point twisted, obfuscated or ignored. I am not simply talking about winning championships which you know. Your insistence on using the toughest imaginable criteria, to the point of being irrational and unrealistic, is noted. Disagree all you want but you want to take it further. You dismiss all opinions other than your own as completely irrelevant while ignoring or twisting any point that contradicts with yours. You seem wholly biased and irrational when you do this.

 

[Hi ImHFNYR]

You clearly don't realize that being a GM is hard, and therefore we should just be happy with what we have.

Again changing the point that was made. There is a difference b/t saying what I am saying and what you are saying. I understand complaining and criticizing the actual results and moves but I see too many complaints that are not based on reality and instead are based seemingly on some kind of fantasy. I don't think a team should be expected to compete for a cup every single year. I don't think "winning the cup/championship" should be the only way to evaluate a professional sports team. Those expectations are wholly unrealistic.

I think a team that built a strong pipeline WHILE playing meaningful hockey every year is a team that is being well assembled. Especially considering that strategy led to 11-12. Clearly it was done right but some folks will insist that it was wrong b/c we didn't win a cup so nothing matters. Some people are incapable of even acknowledging that this is an ok way to think about it. Doing so means "You're a bad fan" or you have "piss poor expectations". In other words your opinions don't match theirs so there is something inferior about you when the truth is the opposite

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

Again changing the point that was made. There is a difference b/t saying what I am saying and what you are saying. I understand complaining and criticizing the actual results and moves but I see too many complaints that are not based on reality and instead are based seemingly on some kind of fantasy. I don't think a team should be expected to compete for a cup every single year. I don't think "winning the cup/championship" should be the only way to evaluate a professional sports team. Those expectations are wholly unrealistic.

I think a team that built a strong pipeline WHILE playing meaningful hockey every year is a team that is being well assembled. Especially considering that strategy led to 11-12. Clearly it was done right but some folks will insist that it was wrong b/c we didn't win a cup so nothing matters.

I dont either. In fact, my largest gripe, by far, is the tendency of management to make moves towards that goal at the most inopportune times.

 

[Hi ImHFNYR]

I dont either. In fact, my largest gripe, by far, is the tendency of management to make moves towards that goal at the most inopportune times.

That one particular gripe makes sense in regards to certain moves, but not in regards to others. Some folks have a habit of hitting the second half of that statement