JR doesn't seem to want anymore contracts longer than 3 years. Maybe Dumo, but I can't see him bringing in anyone with one year (same situation next year) or more than 3 years left on their contract. 2 years or 3 years is probably the sweet spot. Maybe they include RFA's in that group.
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Makes sense I think to have contracts at that length, most of our young guys will be re-signed by the end of the next two years. Few prospects might come through too.
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I'm just really damn curious who JR had as his 5 targets and which ones are "the prices are too high right now".
Duchene's obvious but JR has probably got an offer in and thats that. Probably moved on but he may be waiting to see where he lands first cuz that coud open up more trade possibilities. But even then i don't see a whole lot unless he lands in CAR.
BOS - can put him at wing or C with Bergeron, Krejci, Backes already there. Mayyybe they move on from Krejci or Backes but doubtful. Both salaries are way too much for us to handle.
CAR - would be the only obvious one where they'd probably move on from Staal. But again, thats a maybe.
CBJ - They'd run Duchene, Wennberg, Duby down the middle. Need a top flight C anyway.
MTL - same. Need a top flight C anyway. Maybe move on from Plekanec.
NSH - same deal. They'd run RyJo, Duchene, Bones down the middle. Very highly doubt they trade Jankrok who's locked in to a great deal.
NYI - same sorta deal. would run Tavares, Duchene, Barzal/Cizikas down the middle.
NYR - same. Duchene, Zibanejad, Hayes/Desharnais down the miiddle.
Duchene's obvious but JR has probably got an offer in and thats that. Probably moved on but he may be waiting to see where he lands first cuz that coud open up more trade possibilities. But even then i don't see a whole lot unless he lands in CAR.
BOS - can put him at wing or C with Bergeron, Krejci, Backes already there. Mayyybe they move on from Krejci or Backes but doubtful. Both salaries are way too much for us to handle.
CAR - would be the only obvious one where they'd probably move on from Staal. But again, thats a maybe.
CBJ - They'd run Duchene, Wennberg, Duby down the middle. Need a top flight C anyway.
MTL - same. Need a top flight C anyway. Maybe move on from Plekanec.
NSH - same deal. They'd run RyJo, Duchene, Bones down the middle. Very highly doubt they trade Jankrok who's locked in to a great deal.
NYI - same sorta deal. would run Tavares, Duchene, Barzal/Cizikas down the middle.
NYR - same. Duchene, Zibanejad, Hayes/Desharnais down the miiddle.
I don't care who you are playing with if you get 53 points in 61 games with little PP time that is impressive.
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Bringing Staal back into the core wouldn't be a horrible thing.
Only guys locked up for more than 3 years would be Malkin, Crosby, Letang, Kessel, and Staal.
That's a pretty good core going forward.
Only guys locked up for more than 3 years would be Malkin, Crosby, Letang, Kessel, and Staal.
That's a pretty good core going forward.
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Have to possibly lose PH or choose between Phil and Sprong/Guentzel at some point though.
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Easy pass on Horny then. I don't trust his body for another 4 or 5 years. His play style just doesn't mesh well with being over 30.
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We better replace him in the next year. He's an important part of the puzzle.
I still think he can play his game for several more years. He doesn't rely on speed or hands. He's always going to have his psycho mentality. And net front players tend to stay productive well into their thirties.
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I was hoping Sheary and Dumo's deals would be done by now. It seems like the projected cap hits for each of them vary pretty wildly, and that might be reflected in the negotiations.
Could be what's holding up the 3C talks too.
Could be what's holding up the 3C talks too.
I think it is between us and CBJ. Maybe another team sneaks in, but I agree in that I don't think JR actually struck out 5 times. I think he has an offer in and is prepared to wait it out to see what happens. Maybe banking on Duchene not going back to Colorado.
Certainly going to get the chance to do that this year. Washington has 5.5m in cap space and needs 2xD, 2xF and Grubauer signed. Even if those 4 skaters only take 750k each, that's still 3m gone. And Grubauer is either going to cost ~1.5m (if not more) or they'll trade him and sign someone who makes peanuts. But out of that 5.5m, they're basically ****ed.
If guys like Burakovsky and Barber and company are going to step up, next season is when they need to do it.
Burakovsky has a history of production though that Sheary just doesn't have. Bura had 38 points last year and 35 this year (44pt pace). Sheary has 3/4 of 1 season. We saw the exact same thing play out with Hoffman 2 summers ago when he scored 29g and 47 pts (off the top of my head), in a great breakout season. He wanted a long term deal, Ottawa wasn't interested and it went to arbitration. He received a 1x2m award. Sheary did a little better and add in some inflation... and that's the type of contract he'll likely receive.
Honestly, part of me wishes there was a way that JR could have made a deal with Yzerman surrounding him before they moved him to Philly. So instead of them moving him to Philly, that they would have waited until after the playoffs, and sent him to us. Not sure how we'd fit in his 5m cap hit, but for 1 season I think it would be workable.
Amen to that.
I do think people are being a little quick to focus on one aspect here. Guerin started with Corrado, Prow, Taylor, Zink and potentially Bengtsson as AHL dmen. They're all puck moving guys, none of them that big. They need their Dumo-types as well as their Schultz-types. It's not like there's nobody down there who can step up and move a puck or he's just got a bunch of huge guys down there.
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Faksa would be my ideal target for 3C, however I'm surprised that people aren't mentioning similar alternatives like Tierney or Lowry often at all. Good on you.
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Why would we go back in time? I'd rather keep Horny, Phil and Spring/Guentzel. Staal makes $6M, not gonna take that kind of salary back for our third line center. Unless we can bribe Ronny to do us a kindness and hold back 2M (not gonna happen).
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Faksa, Spooner or Hertl are my picks
Faksa, Spooner or Hertl are my picks
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For some reason I mistakenly thought Haula signed an extension with Minnesota and then got exposed & taken by Vegas, but it was the reverse. Even still, Vegas has little invested in the guy (i.e. didn't draft & develop him) and I'm sure they'd move him for the right return.
Bjugstad is my first choice, both because of what kind of player he is but also because he could be had for relatively cheap, I feel. Maybe not for a 7th round pick, but considering his cap hit and down year I think he could be landed for something like Wilson & a prospect or higher pick.
Do not want Faksa. Not crazy about his offensive game or upside. I feel like he's too Sutter-ish.
Bjugstad is my first choice, both because of what kind of player he is but also because he could be had for relatively cheap, I feel. Maybe not for a 7th round pick, but considering his cap hit and down year I think he could be landed for something like Wilson & a prospect or higher pick.
Do not want Faksa. Not crazy about his offensive game or upside. I feel like he's too Sutter-ish.
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I didn't say otherwise. Just stating that if we want Staal rejoining "the core", it's gonna come at the cost of another major forward contributor.
IMO, the core is Sid and Geno. Everyone else is expendable. Maybe include Murray.
Who's actually said that Rutherford is definitely hard in on Duchene? There's been some speculation but has there been anything more? I know the Pens are very good at keeping things quiet but its not like news on other organisations in this hasn't spewed all over the place.
Also I hope Rutherford has some good other names on his list because everything on the Colorado end is coming back negatron and Sakic looks like he really is crazy enough to just sit on an unhappy player and keep on rolling. It feels like 50-50 at best that Sakic will sell, nevermind sell to us.
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Haula would probably be the best of fits because of his speed, very good faceoff ability and PKing. That contract is really sexy too. I really wish VGK would trade him but I doubt it.
As for Bjugstad I don't like how he is a bit of a risk seeing how injury prone he is.
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I think you have to include Guentzel in that group, for the next 3-4 years atleast. At his contract and point production, his value to the line-up is insane.
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It is worth nothing that the Panthers chose to protect Bjugstad over Marchessault even with his contract while they were trying to shed money so you would think that prob means they want to hold onto him, but who the hell knows what's going on in Florida.
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Zero reason to keep Hornqvist. We are loaded with young guys on the right side and his next contract will cost 5.5-6 a year. And that's a huge risk to pay for a guy who's play style is notorious for dropping off in early 30s.
We have Phil, Sprong, Rust and ZAR all on the right side going forward. Also Sheary can play the right side with Sid as well.
Staal@5 would be the dream. Should aim there. If it's not available, move on. But I bet snagging Staal would be a hell lot cheaper than Duchene.
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