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Asuna
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This is true. But they seem to like Sprong. They don't give a **** about Perron/Bennett
NTC's do not work like that unless it's a full NTC. For a limited NTC players MUST submit a list in the summer (usually July 1st) and if no list is submitted, then the previous season's list is automatically carried over.
If Rutherford is asking him to waive to go to a team, it's because he's asking about a team that's on his no trade list. And the reason he's asking him to waive is that the list of suiters for Scuds is likely very small.
Uprooting his family is likely part of it. However winning another cup likely is part of it as well. Odds are whomever is acquiring him isn't winning a cup any time soon. And as for the part "where you're not wanted", **** like this happens in pro sports - it's part of the business. However things also change. Remember a time we all wanted Martin gone? He turned into one of our best if not our best (at least defensively) defensemen. I'm not saying Scuds will recover the same way, but things can change, so him enforcing his NTC isn't really a surprise.
Perhaps if he's a HS every other game he'll change his mind. Guess time will tell.
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I have no idea what Martin has to do with Scuds. The rest of your post I agree with.
It's almost a guarantee that he as a NTC of some sort. He was very productive for us, and likely left money on the table when he signed his extension. There's almost no chance he didn't get at least a limited NTC.
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Why the hell did they trade for him then? Or did they hate that first round pick and felt like they needed to get rid of it too?
It was pointing out that **** changes. We all wanted Martin gone one year. The very next season he was one of our best D, and we were all happy to have him. Scuds could just as easily picture himself in the same boat. Sure things might not be great now, but they'll improve, and decide he wants to gut it out vs agreeing to go to a ****** team.
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Ah okay I understand. You are talking from Scud's perspective. I thought you meant from the team. Because if they are thinking "hm maybe Scuderi will get better. Remember that time Paul Martin sucked" then we are more screwed than we thought.
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Kunitz plays in Johnstown leaving Crosby's LW open on Wed. Will Johnston try Perron, Bennett or Dupuis? Will Johnston put another young player there like Sheary with Malkin?
So on 9/29 it looks like we'll see the D pairings of
Maatta Clendening
Dumo Cole
carry over from the last 25 minutes of the CBJ game. And although I don't think Maatta and Clendening do each other many favors, Clendening is riding a 40 minute streak of no goals against, so what do I know. I expect to see some of Clendening on the 1st PP.
I don't think they hate Perron per se. I think they value PAIRS and winger playing on their strong side. Perron is an important piece in thier eyes because he creates 3 scoring lines, just like Bennett is as well because he helps create 4 scoring lines. No idea why they value pairs over top six but, whatever
I am not a fan of Johnston's pairs idea. It suggests that the third winger is interchangeable which isn't true.
In addition, the Pens have enough depth to have four scoring lines without banishing their best LW to the third line RW and not giving Malkin the best linemates possible.
Finally, the obsession with players playing on the strong side only appears to extend to Perron. Bennett was regularly played on his less effective, off-wing. Dupuis has been used in preseason on both wings.
There isn't really a strong, consistent argument for Perron on the third line RW from the Pens.
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I'm not saying he will. I'm saying I can easily see him having that line of thinking as to why he would (to quote the poster who I was initially responding to) "stay someplace where he wasn't wanted".
This.
Because it's usually easier to find 2 players that click together then it is to find 3. Rotating the 3rd in/out depending on how they're doing and how the line is doing is easier then it is to make whole sale changes with both wingers to find something that works and is effective.
But wasn't the push-back on Martin from the fans versus the push-back on Scuderi coming from management?
A line isn't two players in a vacuum though. That third player has a large influence on the effectiveness of any given line.
Johnston isn't swapping players around for effectiveness (see Kunitz & Perron last year or Kunitz & Plotnikov this year) nor does he seem to have a great rationale/strategy for why some players are playing in some positions. He's so focused on the pairs that the bigger picture of the line functioning is lost.
The problem with Crosby, Dupuis & Kunitz isn't any given pair; it's the line as a whole. The Sedins have a natural pair, but the third player is incredibly important.
Johnston's "pairs" seems to ignore the fact that the line as three players needs to function.
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Not exactly. Ray sat down with both Michalek and Martin, reportedly, and asked if they wanted a trade or a second chance. Martin said he wanted to be a Penguin and Michalek was less inclined to stay so he was moved back to Phoenix. At least I think that's how it played out according to the media.
That said, the Martin situation is not similar to the Scuds situation. One was still a very good player that was maybe a poor fit and the other is a declining player whose time as an NHL regular is likely past him (who is also a poor stylistic fit).
But they value pairs to the point of having a lesser top six. They can have pairs (Bonino-Bennett, Cullen-Dupuis) without sacrificing top six talent. But I think they see Perron as a key to having a third line that can score against lesser matchups, instead of giving him to Sid or Geno as their third wheel.
All this team needs to do, literally all they have to do, is not **** up the forward combos.
Sid and Kessel with someone not named Dupuis or Kunitz.
Malkin and Hornqvist with Perron.
Boom. Done. Fin.
Sid and Kessel with someone not named Dupuis or Kunitz.
Malkin and Hornqvist with Perron.
Boom. Done. Fin.
Maybe this is the issue. Perron isn't a third wheel in my mind.
Given Perron-Malkin-Hornqvist, Hornqvist is the complementary player that isn't creative and whose greatest skill requires other players to generate shots.
Perron also happens to be the best LW on the team playing on the third line RW.
To expand:
-Crosby-Kessel
Perron-Malkin-
-Bonino-Bennett
gives the top 9 two playmakers on each line which I think is important.
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The Simon Despres fragrance. Or wait, is that the "Smells like booze and a casino floor" scent?
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The thing is, in order for that threat to carry any weight, there'd have to be a team out west willing to take Robby.
It's my understanding that the two teams who WOULD take him, one was willing to, only because a) they don't care about this year b) thought he might be a veteran presence for all of their youth c) the Pens would pay some (probably small) price. The other team, it's my understanding (and maybe I'm wrong), was doing this out of a twisted sort of NHL honor code. If you find that confusing, I'm sure you can figure it out with enough thought.
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