Saginaw Spirit 2024 - 25 Season Thread, Part I
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Kingpin794
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Kingpin794
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Think we see that open import spot get filled in the next week or so. Not really any import D that are out there outside of Chromiak. Don't know if he's really an upgrade over anyone we have now. Still think Molnar would be the best way to maximize that open spot. Eventually Zhiklin will come back from injury. Najim should head to junior B. Harmer, Epperson, and Clouthier had good opening weeks. Someone on those 3rd and 4th lines is going to get pushed out. Will be interesting to see how we make sure we aren't trying to have track meets every night. Drinkell usually does a deal or two early.
bearfan
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Honest question for Saggy fans. With a strong team this year, and virtually no draft picks for the next 4 years how do you plan to add to your roster to compete? Lets say you don't need to add and have a strong team. Saginaw does not have any picks in the upcoming years so how do you build your team. It may not be popular but some very good players mat need to be traded to rebuild what was used to win the Memorial Cup. Again just a honest question here.
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| 2028 | 2nd | 3rd | 4th | 5th | 6th | 7th | 8th | 9th | 10th | 11th | 12th | 13th | 14th | 15th |
Kingpin794
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Lalonde played a game for Kingston, so there's another 3rd in there. So now that's 2, 3, 3, 4, 4, 4. They can probably get an import forward for cheap. Let's say a couple 4ths. That leaves 2, 3, 3, 4. You've added a F. Zhilkin comes back from injury, Chernyshov will be back for the second half, and you can't have all of Gervais, Hay, Sima, and Moore as OA's next year. I think one of them will be moved to a young team that needs an older/grittier player to help mentor the kids. So say that brings in a 3 and a 4. Now we have 2, 3, 3, 3, 4, 4,. Offense will be set. Now we need 2 D. 2, 3, 3, 4 is one. Glavin or Jones plus 3, 4 is another. These won't be the big name guys but will be solid defenseman we need. The path to take one more run is there.
Now, for recouping picks. Let's say Misa blows up this season. Makes the NHL out the gate. Won't get picks for him. Parekh is not making the NHL next season. He'll get an 09 plus picks. Epperson will have a strong year. Can move him for picks. Harmer could get moved next season for quite a bit. Hay as an OA potentially holds value. Same goes for Sima. Point is, they don't HAVE to sell this season. There is a path to rebuild around Zhilkin, Clouthier, 09's etc.
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I don't disagree with what you said. Let's say it happens somewhat to what you have said. I think the way you put it, you would not have any quality picks for the 2025 season because the drafts is before the end of the season. With what you propose trade(s) would need to be done sooner to help with next year.
Kingpin794
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No not really. Here's what they would have if they empty the cabinet before the draft going into 25/26.
2G, 6D, 13F. Really just need some warm bodies to fill out the extras but that can be resolved in moves that deal players in the offseason.
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If London gets everyone returned from the pros, they will be the overwhelming favorite in the West by a mile and it's foolish to add players this year. Parekh can be moved this year for a 1st round pick, a depth player and multiple picks because the team trading for him will get two years of him (or they can trade him again next year). We could not beat London in the playoffs last year with the stacked team, why would we think we could do it this year. They are big, physical and insanely talented and if I was a betting man, I think they go through the West playoffs with all sweeps...they're going to be that good once everyone is back.
as long as calgary sends him back, you probably will get a similar package as you would this year.
i dont see any team moving 20 or so picks for anyone and thats what two years of parakh would in theory be worth.
Kingpin794
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If they want to start the rebuild this season because they want some 08's, then fine. I can respect that. But starting a rebuild because London is scary is coward behavior.
I agree with trading Parekh it helps this year with getting a 1st rd youngster and a solid D and picks plus conditionals as mentioned. Good for the future and now
DD will have to see how they are by mid season. Injuries to breakout players and surprises. If we’re gelling he moves one way if not, another. JMO he will try to have a successful season giving the team more playoff experience. London is strong but injuries happen to every team.
DD will have to see how they are by mid season. Injuries to breakout players and surprises. If we’re gelling he moves one way if not, another. JMO he will try to have a successful season giving the team more playoff experience. London is strong but injuries happen to every team.
donjohnson
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Coward behavior??? Someone tell Garber not to hire kingpin as the GM when Drinkell inevitably moves on. It's called taking a realistic look at the landscape and making smart decisions. Do you really think that we can beat London in a 7-game series this year??? The odds of that happening are less than 5% and that may be generous.
London has ELEVEN, yes eleven NHL picks currently on their roster and multiple 2nd/3rd round picks that they could spin into additional players. Saginaw's lineup today is what you will see in late February...they just don't have anything to trade and it would be foolish to trade away a young player when they need to rebuild for the future.
If there are good offers at the deadline, I think DD pulls the trigger on some of these guys. If not, he'll stand pat and trade people next year and make a decent playoff run. I don't think you need to look any further than Kitchener last year...they had a very good team but didn't have assets to add players, they stood pat, got swept by London and now are selling early this year. I don't want to be in that boat.
outside of guys that wont be back, im not sure the returns would be so significant for those guys that would make it worth it to make it an 18 month rental tbh.
Kingpin794
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I don’t disagree that selling off would be a smart play. I’m saying that Drinkell isn’t looking at London to make that decision. I don’t think he cares how good London will be. They always are.
Kitchener last year was playing WAAAAAYYYY better than they had any right to last season. Most people had them slotted in for 5-8 range. Almost everyone has us in the 2-4 range. It’s a bit different. We’re a quite a bit better than that Kitchener team. Honestly though, Kitchener isn’t going to be hurt for not selling last year. They have a solid base and ways to recoup assets. Same as us.
Next year is gonna suck. No way to avoid it. If Drinkell thinks we have one more run in us, do it. If he wants to start the rebuild, do it. Just don’t use other teams as the determining factor.
Kingpin794
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Gonna be a nice pick up by Sudbury for Molnar. Well now's there's Chromiak or they run with one import for a while.
Good to see Harmer, Cloutier, Epperson have a good start. If we want to be stronger than we will need to start with a top 4 D. Not much in draft picks so Drinkill will have to be creative in how we can attain 2 D. If we are in a good position in late December Chernyshov on his way back then trade Parekh for a 1st rd 07 and picks. That helps this season and the future. Can we be sure Parekh comes back if not we will lose a Mintyukov like return in picks if we don’t trade him near deadline.
I haven’t looked but does Saginaw have any d prospects going ncaa we could sign if the new rule goes into effect as anticipated ? Would be a free add.
Kingpin794
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Charlie Trethewey would be the big fish but he’s not leaving the NTDP and I doubt he’s coming next year. There is Candon O’Neil. 2007 born from the Soo. Putting up great numbers in the OJHL. Committed to LSSU. Might be worth trying to convince him but again that’s going to be a hard sell when he can stay close to home.
Kingpin794
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He looks completely different from last season. Seemed like he was skating with 20 lbs of weights on his back for most of last season. Just didn't have the same energy or pop from his rookie year. Still produced but appeared to be at 75%. He took the Hlinka off to get fully healthy. You can tell he's finally back to 100% now. Absolutely flying out there. Always a threat to score when steps on the ice. He's already got a decent frame at 6' 1" 185 lbs but this was is the type of offense that internet scouts were looking for. He's obviously not going to keep the pace up but he has a real good chance to be Saginaw's first 50 goal scorer and to break Perfetti's single season scoring record (111). keep him healthy.
Have to agree, it is early but if healthy I can see 50++ with Epperson and Mangone on his line until Chernyshov comes back . Still can improve our OA and find an import maybe.
After deadline things will change.
Epperson Misa Chernyshov
WillisOA Hay MangoneOA top6 is up there
Gervais trade Sima Shut down line Moore or trade
Harmer Cloutier Zhilkin
Trade Bishop
Guo Trade
Gavin ForgioneOA unless we upgrade
If Parekh goes we can get a better Defensive D and a F after getting a D with what we have now. Plus 07 1st plus a shutdown D and many picks. Strengthening the D is #1.
Oke looks good and putting the puck in the net is not going to be a problem. Plus Drinkill is always thinking out of the box.
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Misa could miss several games if he plays in the World Junior Tournament which would limit his chances to score 50 goals, although other players have done it.
Kingpin794
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I thought at the start of the year he would be up against it to make team Canada. They usually reserve spots for under age players only if they are top 2 or 3 good. And if anyone was going to get an under age spot, it was going to be McKenna. But McKenna is off to a slow-ish start. Misa can make a case for himself. It helps that 1) he's sound defensively and 2) he can play center or wing. So he can work in a bottom 6 role if that's where they want to fit him in. Would be cool to see him on the team with Laz as one of his coaches. He's going to have to keep it up to make them say yes.
Does anyone know Andrei Loshko a F for Niagara 6’2 190 scoring at over aPPG an OA Import Is he a potential fit. Never seen him play. 4th rder out of Seattle not many teams have room for a OA Import if Niagara levels out they might want to develop some younger prospects which is better in the long run.
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