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The player charts are absolutely not "just a counting stat". They are based on algorithms that compare results from different players on different teams in different roles playing in different systems and draw conclusions by assigning rankings without an ounce of context and ARE implying a narrative with their rankings.
WAR charts are designed to measure similar situations for evaluations, and they work well for sports were players' individual performances are more isolated,(pitchers, QBs, etc), but are often extremely misleading in a purely team sport like hockey where the game control is much less reliant on individuals.(the McDavids, Crosby's, and MacKinnons aside).
Cozens' lines gave up a lot of goals last season, but watching and evaluating the plays, rarely was he the primary reason the puck ended up in the back of the Sabres net.
I actually agree with you guys that WAR/GAR falls far short of it's intended goal. I don't think that a player who is 1 WAR/GAR above another player will literally translate to 1 more win/goal as the stat intends.No its not. WAR is an attempt to come up with a single number using a model that captures the total of a players value vs a replacement level player (Oversimplification). Which itself has various definitions depending on model.
Goals, assists and points are straight forward, objective and INDIVIDUAL stats. They're not trying to do anything other than measure how many goals or assists, etc a player had. As opposed to trying to encapsulate the entire value of a player like WAR is.
WAR has value. But too many think it’s an objective individual stat like goals, assists, etc. Its not But you seem to think it is based on how you’re using it.
In general I think it’s wishful thinking they will ever come up with a single stat that tells the entire value of a player. There are some in the analytics community that wonder this as well. But there is definitely value in working towards it.
Much like I don't think xGF/xGA literally translate to how many goals a team should have scored/gave up. But I do find xGF/xGA extremely useful, especially when comparing ratios, at determining which team generally played better and created/gave up more chances/quality of those chances. Also useful at judging goalie performances.
I do think WAR, GAR and to a greater extent their underlying's of EVO, EVD, PPO, PKD are useful when you view them as what they really are, which are conglomerations, or baskets of underlying counting stats converted into a single number, by giving them all varying weights and then comparing them to the hypothetical "replacement player". (Think of them like an Index, or ETF/Mutual fund in finance).
What part of this doesn't pass the smell test for you guys? Given the context, these results all make perfect sense to me.
Player | Season | Team | Position | GP | TOI All | EVO | EVD | PPO | SHD | Take | Draw | Off | Def | Pens | GAR | WAR |
Dylan Cozens | 22-23 | BUF | C | 81 | 1336.2 | 8.5 | -4.1 | 2.4 | -3.2 | 1.4 | 0.4 | 10.9 | -7.3 | 1.8 | 5.4 | 0.9 |
Rasmus Dahlin | 22-23 | BUF | D | 78 | 2010.6 | 7.7 | 4.9 | 6 | -0.3 | -2 | 1.2 | 13.7 | 4.6 | -0.8 | 17.5 | 3 |
Zemgus Girgensons | 22-23 | BUF | L | 80 | 1038.2 | -6.7 | 5.1 | 0.1 | -1.8 | 1.1 | 0.6 | -6.6 | 3.3 | 1.6 | -1.6 | -0.3 |
Jeff Skinner | 22-23 | BUF | L | 79 | 1374.4 | 19.6 | -5.9 | 2.3 | 0 | 2.1 | 1.4 | 21.9 | -5.9 | 3.4 | 19.5 | 3.3 |
Owen Power | 22-23 | BUF | D | 79 | 1880.9 | 11.1 | -3 | -0.2 | -0.1 | 1.7 | 0 | 10.9 | -3.1 | 1.8 | 9.6 | 1.6 |
Cozens
8.5 EVO excellent at even strength offense
-4.1 EVD he wasn't coached to focus on the defensive side of the puck at all, he was told to play Run n' gun, all gas no brakes offense. No surprise that he had poor results here. Similar but not as extreme results as Tage and Skinner who played the same style/system but on a different line.
PPO 2.4, he was good on the PP. No surprise here
SHD -3.2, the Sabres had one of the worst PK in the league and Cozens played a lot of minutes on it. No surprise that he'd have a poor score here.
Dahlin. Excellent at everything besides the PK and taking penalties. He's been under the microscope of the Refs ever since Matthews neck chopped him and gets called for lots of phantom bull sh*t. He also plays with an edge and has a reputation for it.
Girgs, horrific offense, excellent at even strength D. Poor on the PK, because the Sabres have one of the worst PKs in the league and he plays a lot of minutes on it.
Skinner. Outrageous at even strength offense, horrific at even strength defense, good on the pp, doesn't play the pk, great at not taking penalties and great at drawing penalties.
Power. Excellent at even strength offense, struggled at even strength d, lack luster but not bad on the pp and pk. Great at not taking penalties which makes sense as he's not a physical player, didn't draw many penalties (Refs: "gotta earn those calls 'rook!" )