Speculation: Sabres Roster Speculation - Pre-season 2023 Edition

[Gras]

I’d be willing to give up Swayman for Kulich and a third.

Joker + UPL + 24 1st-Top10 for Swayman + Carlo

 

[I am Bettman]

Good on you guys for not wanting to trade away good prospects for immediate help, I wish my Bruins would do the same thing sometimes. However, Buffalo is approaching a log jam of great talent, so I wonder if they might be better off trading a few of their talented forwards for positional needs. Either way, very fun team to watch with a bright future.

Joker + UPL + 24 1st-Top10 for Swayman + Carlo

Sorry but I don’t think this is really close. That might be enough to get Carlo, but not Swayman and definitely not both.

 

[MarkusKetterer]

One could say the same about Boston fixing Buffalo’s d core and trading a piece like Swayman in division. What about Mittelstadt for Carlo or Swayman?


How about Mittelstadt for one of Carlo or Swayman then?

I’d do Mitts + Joker + Comrie + whatever prospect/pick to make up the difference (Joker has some value, but I dunno where to peg that, and Comrie is nothing more than a replacement G going back to Boston) for Carlo + Swayman

 

[SnuggaRUDE]

One could say the same about Boston fixing Buffalo’s d core and trading a piece like Swayman in division. What about Mittelstadt for Carlo or Swayman?


How about Mittelstadt for one of Carlo or Swayman then?

You could say that. You’d be wrong but you could say it.

Mitts + Comrie for Swayman + something is a plausible trade.

Buffalo trading away their cost certain 2C is about as removed from immediate help as it gets.

 

[I am Bettman]

I’d do Mitts + Joker + Comrie + whatever prospect/pick to make up the difference (Joker has some value, but I dunno where to peg that, and Comrie is nothing more than a replacement G going back to Boston) for Carlo + Swayman

The value isn’t bad there, but it’s kind of a quantity for quality trade, and I’d prefer to just simplify it as Carlo or Swayman for Mittelstadt. The Bruins have Bussi who seems ready for the NHL, so a goalie in return is not necessary. I honestly don’t really know what Jokiharju’s value is.

You could say that. You’d be wrong but you could say it.

Mitts + Comrie for Swayman + something is a plausible trade.

I would do that if it’s just one for one, Swayman for Mittelstadt.

 

[MarkusKetterer]

The value isn’t bad there, but it’s kind of a quantity for quality trade, and I’d prefer to just simplify it as Carlo or Swayman for Mittelstadt. The Bruins have Bussi who seems ready for the NHL, so a goalie in return is not necessary. I honestly don’t really know what Jokiharju’s value is.


I would do that if it’s just one for one, Swayman for Mittelstadt.

I’d do Carlo for Mitts, but then the Sabres are in the same position they were in before the Lyubushkin trade. Although I love the idea of a Power - Carlo pairing

 

[brian_griffin]

Sold.

Not sold. I don't think boston can offer anything to pry Cozens out except Pasta.....so not happening.

Call me a homer, but I wouldn't trade Cozens for Pasternak. Not with Dahlin and Power, etc., coming up for contracts.

Yes, Pasternak is an All-Star legit PPG player.

But, in their 1st 3 NHL seasons, Cozens has the same points in 30 more games than Pasta while playing on a much crappier team than the Bruins.

Cozens costs 50% less. I'll bet on Cozens trajectory and take the cost savings.

 

[Doug Prishpreed]

Honest assessment -- who's better in a vacuum, Mitts or Pinto?

 

[elchud]

Mitts for Swayman as the foundation for a swap makes sense for both teams.

 

[Jim Bob]

Mitts for Swayman as the foundation for a swap makes sense for both teams.

The Sabres have 5 goalies signed to NHL deals today. I doubt Adams is going to make it 6.

 

[elchud]

The Sabres have 5 goalies signed to NHL deals today. I doubt Adams is going to make it 6.

He could trade UPL?

 

[Jim Bob]

He could trade UPL?

Would he be worth giving up something when there will likely be a ton of goalies on waivers, though...

 

[elchud]

Would he be worth giving up something when there will likely be a ton of goalies on waivers, though...

If we are adding Swayman, who right now is a top-15 goalie in the league (top-10 in some estimations), I'm just not sweating UPL exiting the stage. Ideally he might be worth a 3rd...I still think he could fetch a 5th even with the usual suspects on the waiver wire.

 

[MarkusKetterer]

Honest assessment -- who's better in a vacuum, Mitts or Pinto?

Currently, Mitts. I think Pinto is better defensively though

 

[Doug Prishpreed]

Currently, Mitts. I think Pinto is better defensively though

I was trying to think of a potential trade and was just like...wait...we kind of have this player already. I haven't zeroed in on pinto recently so wasn't sure how off I was.

Mitts had some good ES defensive metrics if memory serves? I can't imagine they're too far off from Pinto's?

 

[MarkusKetterer]

I was trying to think of a potential trade and was just like...wait...we kind of have this player already. I haven't zeroed in on pinto recently so wasn't sure how off I was.

Mitts had some good ES defensive metrics if memory serves? I can't imagine they're too far off from Pinto's?

Sens fans could probably accurately assess Pinto. I’m just basing this on the few games I’ve seen of the Sens. I think for all intents and purposes they’re equal players.

 

[Irie]

If you insist on this nonsense and “what you saw” Then I’ll post his CF%/xGF% in those 8gms

2/26 vs Caps —-> 54%/61%
2/28 vs Jackets -> 55%/55%
3/2 vs Bruins --> 47%/40%
3/4 vs Tampa —> 40%/36%
3/6 vs Oilers —-> 60%/63%
3/7 vs Isles ——> 64%/35%
3/9 vs Stars —-> 44%/21%
3/11 vs Rags —> 57%/57%

Thats not someone who had their teeth kicked in the majority of the time. I watched those games and the numbers were what I expected.

I see you are using the PP included corsi to inflate the numbers for a discussion that is strictly about even strength

Glancing at the raw data I see games where Thompson's corsi was in the low 40's and 30's and Skinners was in the 30's and 20's at even strength.

I see multiple games that Thompson had ZERO even strength shots.

And once again, I remind you that I was referring to the select few games in that stretch where the opposition's coaching staff implemented the strategy to shadow Tage the entire game and it had terrifyingly effective results. Only a few coaches did it so It was not every game. Using numbers from other games is convenient to refute individual games, but it ignores what really transpired.

Yes, the sample size is very small, but it was very effective when implemented, so I think it is something that should be a legitimate concern. This is, afterall, a copycat league.

I get that you are referencing Granato's comments as to the why in the line-blender discussion, and I am not claiming anything can't happen, I am only posting my opinion - I am skeptical about breaking up one of the most productive lines in the league and moving an All-Star 94 point 47 goal center off the top line to play wing on the second line.

Call me crazy.

 

[TageGod]

Call me a homer, but I wouldn't trade Cozens for Pasternak. Not with Dahlin and Power, etc., coming up for contracts.

Yes, Pasternak is an All-Star legit PPG player.

But, in their 1st 3 NHL seasons, Cozens has the same points in 30 more games than Pasta while playing on a much crappier team than the Bruins.

Cozens costs 50% less. I'll bet on Cozens trajectory and take the cost savings.

I wouldn't do it either.

 

[joshjull]

I wouldn’t want to trade one of our skaters for Swayman. Definitely not one of our better ones. He’s been playing behind one of the best, if not the best, defensive teams in the NHL.

I have little faith he would be much better than what we have. It’s not that I don’t think he has potential. But both he and Ullmark have had their stats pumped up quite a bit by what’s in front of them

 

[beerme1]

I wouldn’t want to trade one of our skaters for Swayman. Definitely not one of our better ones. He’s been playing behind one of the best, if not the best, defensive teams in the NHL.

I have little faith he would be much better than what we have. It’s not that I don’t think he has potential. But both he and Ullmark have had their stats pumped up quite a bit by what’s in front of them

And both goalies are likely to be exposed this season with Boston having lost their top two C. Why the hell would we help them out of that? My head is hurting reading all this Boston talk.
We're not doing jack with Boston. It's their time to struggle. Of course I say that every season and look what they did last season. Whoa. But no Bergeron will have a massive impact.

 

[Jim Bob]

 

[HOOats]

Pretty good one, if only because it's such small and fine print that we won't be able to notice/read it most of the time.

 

[Beerz]

Pretty good one, if only because it's such small and fine print that we won't be able to notice/read it most of the time.

I'd rather Terry drill another well than have anything on the helmets

 

[Mattilaus]

I'd rather Terry drill another well than have anything on the helmets

How does him digging another well increase hockey related revenue for the league?

 

[ValJamesDuex]

With a few more quiet days until Training Camp what does everyone think the Sabres D depth chart will look like in 2-3 year btw without deals, FA, additional drafts, etc?

Dahlin/Samuelsson
Power/R Johnson
Strbak/Novikov

Metsa/McCarthy/Komorov/Lindgren