Confirmed with Link: Sabres Presser (Tim Murray announced as GM, Craig Patrick as Special Assistant to HD)
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ZZamboni
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If something means trade Miller, Moulson and/or Ott, then yes.
Short term... I want Murray to evaluate, educate, and get up to speed with the scouts. Prepare for the draft. That's about it.
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Not terribly related, but I love this and didn't know it went back that far with his family:
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DJB
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Seriously you guys are going to love Tim. He is what you see.
- Very honest and up front, won't beat around the bush and says it the way it is
- Usually looks sour and angry. But isn't a pompous ass like Burke.
- Loves bringing in local players who WANT to play for the Sabres and not just the paycheck.
- Not afraid to try and do something
- Very good at the draft table
- Very honest and up front, won't beat around the bush and says it the way it is
- Usually looks sour and angry. But isn't a pompous ass like Burke.
- Loves bringing in local players who WANT to play for the Sabres and not just the paycheck.
- Not afraid to try and do something
- Very good at the draft table
Mit Yarrum
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Anyone get the Murray WGR interview?
All I can find is Patrick's.
http://audio.wgr550.com/a/85915904/...or-to-the-hockey-department-craig-patrick.htm
All I can find is Patrick's.
http://audio.wgr550.com/a/85915904/...or-to-the-hockey-department-craig-patrick.htm
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I think the tank is still on for next year. Timmy said we must spend to the cap to win, 2-3 years down the road.
Jacob582
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He said a lot of things about making players feel like you are trying to win. Seems like a type of GM that will be very player friendly. Which will be a big change IMO.
Ruckus007
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Chain closed the other thread while I was writing, Josh my response is below.
There is obviously a lot here and I'm no fan of picking apart posts sentence by sentence, so I'll just try to respond, in whole, relatively coherent.
My first comment is: CALM DOWN!! I'm simply trying to lay out the reasons to support my initial comment about my perception of Pegula's sentimentality (and I have other examples not even mentioned!) and you're going completely off the rails. Here's an example: admittedly going from memory, Teddy said he was in town to watch Jordan for the Kings game. Your comment about LaFontaine inviting him with a promise of a surprise was new to me so I offered you a chance to explain to me where that came from. Essentially, I gave you a free opportunity to prove your case and disprove mine and what was your response?
We've bumped into each in these forums, enough, josh that I'm surprised you haven't picked up how exactly opposite that sentence describes me. 1.) I like to think I lack a message board ego because 2.) I'm completely self-aware of how often I'm wrong (see more below!). I'm also, probably, more open-minded than you're used to around here. This is why, just because I don't like the circumstances (or at least the optics) of how LaFontaine was brought on, I'm perfectly willing to give him the benefit of the doubt that he can be successful. If you can't understand that, then I'm sorry to say the close-mindedness is not on my IP.
We can litigate and-relitigate the end of the Regier era and the beginning of the LaFontaine if you would like but it's going to be bulky, I promise you!
The short answer on LaFontaine is that I'm not willing to go far in either direction as to his performance, so far. The decision to send out most of the kids was an incredibly easy one. Nolan was a tougher one, that so far seems to be working. The process that led to Murray's hire seems well-thought out. The fact that Murray and Patrick were introduced on stage, somewhat concerning.
To answer your final question, which may give you a better view of my mindset, the short answer is that I was a Regier fan, fully endorsed his (and Ruff's) retention and had been nothing but disappointed in his results subsequent.
The longer answer is I feel the 2011 plan was to find creative-ish ways to spend Pegula's money to end up with the exact same result we'd had prior (I was fully ready for a complete rebuild after the poor start in 2011-12, so I turned quickly and hard). After they made the tough but correct decision for a full rebuild (after the alleged attempts for Parise, Suter and Doan), I feel as though there hadn't been any plan other than tank. IMO, tanking for a top pick is only part of a rebuild but the developmental plan seemed non-existent (Grigorenko last year and this and this year's opening lineup are part of that, see my pamphlet for more!). Things like keeping Rolston, with a flimsy excuse about him "making them not need to look elsewhere" and then completely purging hockey ops 24 games later comes of, to me, as lacking any coherent plan. As I see it, there have been three since Pegula took over. Cup in Three Years. Tank. And now Actually Rebuild. I just don't see the direction from the top. That with him as an owner and when there are clearly eyes in the rear-view mirror (don't forget his Feb 22 comments about wishing they'd kept Tallinder and Lydman, either), I remain worried. You call this melodramatic and I don't quite understand why.
But, as I said, I'm open to having my mind changed. I'm open to the idea that LaFontaine is assembling a front office that can actually lead the team in a direction. And since it's going to be years before we'll know if he has, I have plenty of opportunity to change my mind as the results dictate. So relax, because we're not settling this one today!
If I missed anything that you really wanted my comment on, just repost and I'll reply, promise!
There is obviously a lot here and I'm no fan of picking apart posts sentence by sentence, so I'll just try to respond, in whole, relatively coherent.
My first comment is: CALM DOWN!! I'm simply trying to lay out the reasons to support my initial comment about my perception of Pegula's sentimentality (and I have other examples not even mentioned!) and you're going completely off the rails. Here's an example: admittedly going from memory, Teddy said he was in town to watch Jordan for the Kings game. Your comment about LaFontaine inviting him with a promise of a surprise was new to me so I offered you a chance to explain to me where that came from. Essentially, I gave you a free opportunity to prove your case and disprove mine and what was your response?
We've bumped into each in these forums, enough, josh that I'm surprised you haven't picked up how exactly opposite that sentence describes me. 1.) I like to think I lack a message board ego because 2.) I'm completely self-aware of how often I'm wrong (see more below!). I'm also, probably, more open-minded than you're used to around here. This is why, just because I don't like the circumstances (or at least the optics) of how LaFontaine was brought on, I'm perfectly willing to give him the benefit of the doubt that he can be successful. If you can't understand that, then I'm sorry to say the close-mindedness is not on my IP.
We can litigate and-relitigate the end of the Regier era and the beginning of the LaFontaine if you would like but it's going to be bulky, I promise you!
The short answer on LaFontaine is that I'm not willing to go far in either direction as to his performance, so far. The decision to send out most of the kids was an incredibly easy one. Nolan was a tougher one, that so far seems to be working. The process that led to Murray's hire seems well-thought out. The fact that Murray and Patrick were introduced on stage, somewhat concerning.
To answer your final question, which may give you a better view of my mindset, the short answer is that I was a Regier fan, fully endorsed his (and Ruff's) retention and had been nothing but disappointed in his results subsequent.
The longer answer is I feel the 2011 plan was to find creative-ish ways to spend Pegula's money to end up with the exact same result we'd had prior (I was fully ready for a complete rebuild after the poor start in 2011-12, so I turned quickly and hard). After they made the tough but correct decision for a full rebuild (after the alleged attempts for Parise, Suter and Doan), I feel as though there hadn't been any plan other than tank. IMO, tanking for a top pick is only part of a rebuild but the developmental plan seemed non-existent (Grigorenko last year and this and this year's opening lineup are part of that, see my pamphlet for more!). Things like keeping Rolston, with a flimsy excuse about him "making them not need to look elsewhere" and then completely purging hockey ops 24 games later comes of, to me, as lacking any coherent plan. As I see it, there have been three since Pegula took over. Cup in Three Years. Tank. And now Actually Rebuild. I just don't see the direction from the top. That with him as an owner and when there are clearly eyes in the rear-view mirror (don't forget his Feb 22 comments about wishing they'd kept Tallinder and Lydman, either), I remain worried. You call this melodramatic and I don't quite understand why.
But, as I said, I'm open to having my mind changed. I'm open to the idea that LaFontaine is assembling a front office that can actually lead the team in a direction. And since it's going to be years before we'll know if he has, I have plenty of opportunity to change my mind as the results dictate. So relax, because we're not settling this one today!
If I missed anything that you really wanted my comment on, just repost and I'll reply, promise!
Ruckus007
where to?
Jame said:
Well, consider that since we don't know when the team will be good again, you're looking at possibly squandering some of Sekera's prime years on a non-competitive team. And, though we probably could suspect the cap was going to be increasing down the line, that's information that Regier didn't have in June.
I guess you could say, if you factor in a significant decline in performance on, maybe, the last two years of the contract (assuming he got a max, 8 year extension), it gets to how many non-competitive years (squandered, IMO) would you be willing to see lopped off of the front end.
EDIT: as I said initially, it would be a challenging decision IMO.
If we had put him in the situation Carolina did... and developed him into that #1 pairing guy... we'd have a much bigger asset on our hands, so the only squandering was done when we traded him at a lesser value than his ability.
He was signed for 2 more seasons... the cap in 2016 was irrelevant.
What? An 8 year deal.... hmmm at what, Kronwall money (4.75 per) ? sounds great
So you think Regier was worried about declining play, in seasons 8 years in the future (2 years of existing contract, 6 years of your proposed 8 year contract).... that's just absurd.
dotcommunism
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It was ongoing in the GM search thread which is now closed, so for the purposes of this thread, yes, it literally did pop up out of nowhere
vcv
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stokes84
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How does this guy go from press conference to interview to interview telling everyone that he's a scout first and foremost, with a team sitting on a top pick, and nobody asks him his opinion on the draft class? Unbelievable.
Zman5778
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The same media that heard Tim call Devine by name a few times......and never once asked what his future is in the organization.
I occasionally truly think our media has the collective hockey IQ of 15.
Ruckus007
where to?
As said, it was transferred form a closed thread.
Suggestions? Chain said to continue discussions in the speculation thread. Need some moderator consistency! Jame, I withhold my comment until I know where to put it.
zbubble
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But it did lead to this great tweet from Puck Daddy:
"I'M NOT FIRING TED NOLAN TODAY YOU DICKS. Stop asking." - Tim Murray, translated.
Paxon
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Zman5778
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I also loved this gem from Bucky -- CLEARLY butthurt over not getting the scoop from the Sabres:
http://www.buffalonews.com/columns/bucky-gleason/its-all-about-trust-for-lafontaine-20140108
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