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truthbluth said:
Strawman is straw, man.


So far, how would you characterize the results of that approach?
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Buffalo is a developing team. It's not just about results.


truthbluth said:
They've had injuries too. They don't have an Eichel, but OEL is far better than Risto, and with Domi, Keller, Fischer, Dvorak, and Strome, their young forwards are likely to be amongst the best in the league shortly.
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Call me when at least one of them is better than at least one of our 4 best forwards. It might never happen.


truthbluth said:
Why didn't it? Could it be the coaches? Yes of course, but it could also be that the players we expected to be good just weren't that good?
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Did the players suddenly become bad when they came here after they were previously good? That's a weird coincidence...
 
Stephen said:
Why do we often hear reports of Jack Eichel putting so much pressure on himself to be a leader, needs to be better, etc.? Put things into perspective, it's still early days in a massive rebuild and he's just getting his feet wet as an impact NHLer. Yet you hear so much anguish over the Sabres lack of success to date you'd think he was Joe Thornton in San Jose after a decade plus of futility. Can't help but think this is an unhealthy level of expectation for the team and the individual player at what amounts to the very beginning of a long and successful journey. Sabres management needs to protect him better.

I mean as a rival fanbase, I have a lot of enmity for your team and Jack Eichel, but you have a ton to look forward to.
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I think that's just the way Jack is. He wants to win, badly.
 
OkimLom said:
Agree, but there is a difference between criticism and calling for Murray's head because you didn't get the short term results you wanted.
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There's a difference between getting short term results and seeing the long term path to get those results.

I think the question is whether and how he can add core pieces going forward. If your core is bottom 5 in the league, no amount of tweaking the depth or shedding some dead weight wins you a cup.
 
1972 said:
If a company is doing poorly that falls on management...

When your NHL team is one of the worst and your AHL team is the worst then the GM cannot be immune from criticism.
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Criticizing management is irrelevant unless you are correctly identifying the problem.

Criticize Murray for hiring Bylsma... fine.
Criticizing Murray for the roster, trades, etc is just not correctly identifying the root cause of poor performance.

If Murray hired a team of analysts for his NEW company, and then gave them tech and infrastructure from the 80s to work on, would you be criticizing the analysts he hired? Most of which had good to great resumes. Would you be criticizing Murray for who the analysts he hired? Or would we focus on dealing with the idiotic decision to give them T4 Graphing calculators, LynxOS, and dial up modems to work with?

Oh, and when the team of analysts... towards the end of a grueling year... is finally lost it with the stupidity they've been burdened with... remember to blame them for not staying motivated.
 
Why do people continue to say we were in danger of losing Eichel? There was zero chance we were losing Eichel even before the Myers trade. The team actually improved their points % after the Myers trade.

Its the dumbest excuse for Murray there is. Bringing in Kane + Bogo was supposed to speed up the rebuild, end of discussion.

The team as is should have been better. Murray needs to change the coach and not panic. Im afraid he may panic.
 
Sabre Dance said:
Why do people continue to say we were in danger of losing Eichel? There was zero chance we were losing Eichel even before the Myers trade. The team actually improved their points % after the Myers trade.

Its the dumbest excuse for Murray there is. Bringing in Kane + Bogo was supposed to speed up the rebuild, end of discussion.

The team as is should have been better. Murray needs to change the coach and not panic. Im afraid he may panic.
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:facepalm: uh... because NOT taking the tank approach impacts the entire season....

It means we don't make tankalicious moves like signing Meszaros and Benoit to be top 4 defensemen. It means Nic Deslauriers doesn't play 82 games with an average of 12 minutes a game. It means we don't give a placeholder thank you extension to Ted Nolan. I could go on.... but seriously :facepalm:
 
Ok, so what I'm getting is,
Any criticism of Murray's roster building is wrong because, obviously, this roster is a contender, coaching is the ONLY problem. Gotcha. Good luck with that.
 
Jame said:
:facepalm: uh... because NOT taking the tank approach impacts the entire season....

It means we don't make tankalicious moves like signing Meszaros and Benoit to be top 4 defensemen. It means Nic Deslauriers doesn't play 82 games with an average of 12 minutes a game. It means we don't give a placeholder thank you extension to Ted Nolan. I could go on.... but seriously :facepalm:
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Those are short-term moves. Signing players like Moulson, Ennis, and Gionta and trading for Gorges were supposed to be moves that helped us win post Eichel draft. Those moves aided the tank as well and are also holding us back today.
 
flashsabre said:
This is one of your top 3 man baby rants after a loss. I enjoyed this one a lot.

What GMs in this league "win" their trades? Front offices are more equipped with analytics these days, no one is fleecing anybody.
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Several do. But it's OK, history has vindicated me in the past and when Murray is fired after yet another non playoff year it'll be some new deflection by the Murray lovers. I remember getting vilified for calling Pegula another Dan Snyder but I guess I was wrong there because Pegula is even worse then Snyder. Pegula is a terrible owner plain and simple.

It doesn't take 3+ full ****ING seasons to make the playoffs when you add Eichel, RoR, Okposo, Kane, Lehner, Reinhart to go along with the fact that we have one of the richest owners in the league. So when you look at the team Murray has put together, who is raising their hand and saying they truly believe this is a cup contender in the near future. You have people saying the Sabres rebuild is still better then the Leafs long term :laugh::laugh: and that Reinhart>Draisaitl. Big bad Murray is a blue collar gruff guy that's why the Murray lovers are so enamored with him. HE SAYS THREE WORDS AT THE DRAFT PODIUM AND DRINKS BEERS HES SUCH A BUFFALO GUY! :laugh:

People wanted to be like a Chicago. Well let's see, we just wasted the ELC of our superstar in Eichel and our former #2 overall pick in Reinhart. Blackhawks took Kane in 2007 (and toews the year before kinda like us taking Reinhart then Eichel). The Hawks make the playoffs in year 2 all the way to the WCF and win the cup in year 3 whilst Toews and Kane were still on an ELC. Sabres missed horribly the first two years of Eichel+Reinhart and will miss it again next year almost assuredly.


Aladyyn said:


Coach isn't trying to win hockey games, why should the players?
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That's it! If only we had better lines we would have clinched a playoff spot. The talent is garbage. I don't know what magical line combos you think is going to make the Sabres skate harder, actually compete and put pucks in the net. Bylsma is a bad coach but keep trying to deflect blame away from the gutless players and the talent Murray compiled.
 
La Cosa Nostra said:
That's it! If only we had better lines we would have clinched a playoff spot. The talent is garbage. I don't know what magical line combos you think is going to make the Sabres skate harder, actually compete and put pucks in the net. Bylsma is a bad coach but keep trying to deflect blame away from the gutless players and the talent Murray compiled.
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Having one of your best and most consistent forwards share a lineup spot with Nicholas Deslauriers might be one of the dumbest coaching decisions of all time. And that's just the tip of the iceberg of Bylsma idiocy.
 
Sabre Dance said:
Those are short-term moves. Signing players like Moulson, Ennis, and Gionta and trading for Gorges were supposed to be moves that helped us win post Eichel draft. Those moves aided the tank as well and are also holding us back today.
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Irrelevant.
The narrative was, "we are paying the price for tanking"....
That's fine, and true to an extent. But the hindsight choice remains:
Tank and get Eichel, or risk not gettomg Eichel.
 
haseoke39 said:
There's a difference between getting short term results and seeing the long term path to get those results.

I think the question is whether and how he can add core pieces going forward. If your core is bottom 5 in the league, no amount of tweaking the depth or shedding some dead weight wins you a cup.
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I do agree with this. But I don't think our core is bottom 5.
 
Has the totally foreign concept of trying to pair guys with past success been entertained?

Specifically with Eichel and eRod...
 
Aladyyn said:
Having one of your best and most consistent forwards share a lineup spot with Nicholas Deslauriers might be one of the dumbest coaching decisions of all time. And that's just the tip of the iceberg of Bylsma idiocy.
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You don't have to know a thing about systems and philosophies, you can live in a world where those aspects of the game and coaching are totally irrelevant, and Bylsma STILL does enough to be regarded as a terrible and clueless coach.
 
jBuds said:
Has the totally foreign concept of trying to pair guys with past success been entertained?

Specifically with Eichel and eRod...
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We haven't made it to a point where we can consistently play one of our best playmakers and offensive talents, at his natural position.
 
OkimLom said:
This year was the first year that they should've been at least competitive. Unfortunately we know injuries played a huge factor in our standings
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I agree with everything in your post except for this.. They're about .500 regardless of who's been in the line up; and when they came out of the break, they were as healthy as anyone could expect them to be, and they went about 2-8-2.
 
jBuds said:
Has the totally foreign concept of trying to pair guys with past success been entertained?

Specifically with Eichel and eRod...
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Yeah, Eichel is at the point in his career where he should be elevating his linemates to good status, not needing the likes of Reinhart or ROR to be successful. Going into next season I sincerely hope his linemates are the likes of ERod, Bailey, Baptise, Fasching, Girgensons, Nylander, etc. There has to be fits in there somewhere. Then you can have ROR, Fasching, Kane, etc. on different lines. Which is how you create mismatches and depth...

Ideal skeleton next year:

X-Eichel-X
Y-ROR-Y
Kane-Reinhart-Z
Foligno-Larsson-Gionta/UFA

Edit: Also, has Okposo been tried with Eichel at all this year for an extended period? Aside form the fact that they seem like a great natural pair, I really feel like ROR/Okposo doesn't get the best traits out of both players. One of the biggest drawbacks of KO's game has always been that he is average at best in his own zone. He's not a possession dominator like you'd expect on a ROR line. KO taking dzone starts with ROR isn't really how to get the most ouf either of them. Just food for thought.
 
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