Sabres Management and Coaching Thread

[Sabresfansince1980]

Again, look how Buffalo's played this season when relatively healthy: not any better.

The NHL world is so drearily disappointing. Andrew Peters had Elliotte Friedman on his radio show this morning. Andrew gave him a question from Twitter 'Who should the Sabres look at for their next coach?'...

The Eichel injury likely, and sadly, will give Dufus enough slack to at least start out next season. I really don't think I'll have the energy to keep watching, unless he somehow changes his system up dramatically through the pre-season. I doubt that, so it might be a while until he's gone and I start watching (intently) again.

 

[hizzoner]

I wish there were some knowledgeable insiders who really understood coaching who could properly debate coaching issues and rate the professional coaches. Most pro teams just have a merry go round of recently fired retreads. Babcock left Detroit because he saw the writing on the wall. His big guns were gone and the replacements were not good enough. He moved to a team that has had very high draft picks (although, like Buffalo they traded some of them) but still even trading away the number 2 and number 9 overall in 2010 and 2011 they DID draft #5 in 2008. 7 in 2009, 5 in 2012, 21 in 2013, 8 in 2014, 4 in 2015, #1 in 2016. That is a staggering haul. Even trading away, A#2 overall (2010), a number 9 overall (2011) and a number 13 overall (2007) for the last 11 years they have been in position to draft in the top of the draft except for ONE year. The superb tank last year in a good year combined with good luck gave them a number one centre. This is not a team that should have been as bad as it was the last 2 years--they deliberately tanked and pointed at Buffalo to hide what they themselves were doing. Now-with the addition of a free agent Dman (Zaitsev) and with minimal injury or illness they have 10 more points or so more than Buffalo who'd has not had the embarrassment of riches in high picks and has not had the benefit of an injury free season to their top end talent. Any assessment of these 2 teams, any assessment of coaching or current management has to take all of this into account.

 

[Jame]

I wish there were some knowledgeable insiders who really understood coaching who could properly debate coaching issues and rate the professional coaches. Most pro teams just have a merry go round of recently fired retreads. Babcock left Detroit because he saw the writing on the wall. His big guns were gone and the replacements were not good enough. He moved to a team that has had very high draft picks (although, like Buffalo they traded some of them) but still even trading away the number 2 and number 9 overall in 2010 and 2011 they DID draft #5 in 2008. 7 in 2009, 5 in 2012, 21 in 2013, 8 in 2014, 4 in 2015, #1 in 2016. That is a staggering haul. Even trading away, A#2 overall (2010), a number 9 overall (2011) and a number 13 overall (2007) for the last 11 years they have been in position to draft in the top of the draft except for ONE year. The superb tank last year in a good year combined with good luck gave them a number one centre. This is not a team that should have been as bad as it was the last 2 years--they deliberately tanked and pointed at Buffalo to hide what they themselves were doing. Now-with the addition of a free agent Dman (Zaitsev) and with minimal injury or illness they have 10 more points or so more than Buffalo who'd has not had the embarrassment of riches in high picks and has not had the benefit of an injury free season to their top end talent. Any assessment of these 2 teams, any assessment of coaching or current management has to take all of this into account.

13 more points, and a game in hand

They also score 0.62 More goals per game than us, while being our equal in goals against per game.

 

[Moncton man]

They also score 0.62 More goals per game than us, while being our equal in goals against per game.

And let's not forget the takeaway, those extra goals make them a fun team to watch.

 

[AustonsNostrils]

We've seen what this team looks like now with a fairly normal injury wise NHL roster and Eichel at a PPG pace and it's been lousy. What's going to be different if they bring Bylsma back?

 

[joshjull]

We've seen what this team looks like now with a fairly normal injury wise NHL roster and Eichel at a PPG pace and it's been lousy. What's going to be different if they bring Bylsma back?

A healthy Eichel and defense probably leads to a stronger start to the season.

 

[AustonsNostrils]

A healthy Eichel and defense probably leads to a stronger start to the season.

That's my biggest fear - that they're just good enough to take the heat off Bylsma and we're stuck with him.

Hoping what's going on in Toronto is making Murray do some serious thinking about how things are developing here.

 

[AustonsNostrils]

Again, I have never seen a fan base that harbors as much resentment for an ex-coach than Pittsburgh's for Bylsma. And they actually won a Stanley Cup with him.

 

[Jame]

A healthy Eichel and defense probably leads to a stronger start to the season.

nice balancing act

 

[La Cosa Nostra]

He traded 3 picks for a #1 goalie that is just hitting his prime age and a player who is much further along in his development and the timeline than what 2 2nd round picks, who have a 30% chance of ever even making the NHL, would give. The alternative would've been a random goaltender and 3 more years before we'd even begin to see if said picks would turn into anything.

Circle the wagons!

Uhh the 2 2nds have a better chance then turning into something statically speaking then Fasching does who was a very late 4th rounder if you want to frame it like that. Oh and it wasn't just 2 2nds for Fasching (horrible trade as it is, Fasching is a career minor leaguer. Of course he is loved by the same Murray and Lehner lovers so won't bother to argue but it's plain to see), it was 2 2nds AND a proven legitimate #5 dman with physicality for Fasching and Nic Deslauriers

Yes, Murray pulled off one of the worst trades in Sabres history. Of course when it suits the Murray lovers narratives they say things like well 2nd round picks aren't valuable when of course that's not true. 2nd round picks are used in trades for solid players all the time. The fact we gave 2 2nds alone for Fasching is ridiculous.

Typical Murray.

Lehner is drafted in the 2nd round. Does nothing special for Ottawa (spare me the Calder cup ********) and was injured often with serious injuries. Murray decides to trade a 1st in an elite draft and take a cap dump for him 6 years after he was drafted even though he didn't improve his value.

Then he trades 2 2nds and McNabb for Fasching and the worst player in the league. Yes, he trades 2 2nds for a guy who was drafted in the late 4th, practically 5th round. In the one season he had in between being drafted and traded Fasching didn't tear the NCAA up. He had a good freshman season but nothing special, he didn't put up Connor type numbers or anything like that. Not that it matters when Murray wants HIS guy he gives whatever for him.


Same ol Murray, overpay for mediocre players because he gets what he wants. But don't worry we are on an accelerated rebuild and like he said after the trade deadline passed and he didn't make a single move because other GMs can't stand him unless they can rip him off because "he has a plan!". Yeah a magical great plan that will all of a sudden turn a team that can't score can't defend can't win games into a playoff team!

 

[Sabre Dance]

I hope we don't have to suffer through an offseason fighting about Bylsma.

 

[Zip15]

Again, I have never seen a fan base that harbors as much resentment for an ex-coach than Pittsburgh's for Bylsma. And they actually won a Stanley Cup with him.

Then you need to get out more. Come with me to Baton Rouge and let's ask the locals their feelings about one Nick Saban. I'll show you what resentment looks like.

That's one of many examples.

 

[Jame]

Uhh the 2 2nds have a better chance then turning into something statically speaking then Fasching does who was a very late 4th rounder if you want to frame it like that.

you're not fooling anyone.

Oh and it wasn't just 2 2nds for Fasching (horrible trade as it is, Fasching is a career minor leaguer. Of course he is loved by the same Murray and Lehner lovers so won't bother to argue but it's plain to see), it was 2 2nds AND a proven legitimate #5 dman with physicality for Fasching and Nic Deslauriers

Do you ever get tired of egg on your face?

Yes, Murray pulled off one of the worst trades in Sabres history. Of course when it suits the Murray lovers narratives they say things like well 2nd round picks aren't valuable when of course that's not true. 2nd round picks are used in trades for solid players all the time. The fact we gave 2 2nds alone for Fasching is ridiculous.

Did Murray trade Pat Lafontaine for Andrew Peters?

Lehner is drafted in the 2nd round. Does nothing special for Ottawa (spare me the Calder cup ********) and was injured often with serious injuries. Murray decides to trade a 1st in an elite draft and take a cap dump for him 6 years after he was drafted even though he didn't improve his value.

"I know what I am saying is stupid, so I am inserting a caveat for self protection"

Then he trades 2 2nds and McNabb for Fasching and the worst player in the league. Yes, he trades 2 2nds for a guy who was drafted in the late 4th, practically 5th round.

So you wouldn't trade 2 2nds for Victor Arvidsson or Jacob Slavin, who were drafted in the 4th round?

In the one season he had in between being drafted and traded Fasching didn't tear the NCAA up. He had a good freshman season but nothing special, he didn't put up Connor type numbers or anything like that. Not that it matters when Murray wants HIS guy he gives whatever for him.

as if you watched him play a single hockey game in college....

Same ol Murray, overpay for mediocre players because he gets what he wants. But don't worry we are on an accelerated rebuild and like he said after the trade deadline passed and he didn't make a single move because other GMs can't stand him unless they can rip him off because "he has a plan!". Yeah a magical great plan that will all of a sudden turn a team that can't score can't defend can't win games into a playoff team!

Same ol Layne...

Honestly, don't you get tired of typing the same nonsense over and over?

 

[TehDoak]

I hope we don't have to suffer through an offseason fighting about Bylsma.

I have one better for you. Bylsma is kept on but Ruff is fired.

 

[AustonsNostrils]

Then you need to get out more. Come with me to Baton Rouge and let's ask the locals their feelings about one Nick Saban. I'll show you what resentment looks like.

That's one of many examples.

I've never had much interest in college sports other than cultural curiosity on a Saturday afternoon in autumn and some March Madness.

I don't know of any NHL coach then - I sure know Sabres fans don't have anywhere near that kind of animosity about any coach we've ever had.

 

[Zip15]

I've never had much interest in college sports other than cultural curiosity on a Saturday afternoon in autumn and some March Madness.

I don't know of any NHL coach then - I sure know Sabres fans don't have anywhere near that kind of animosity about any coach we've ever had.

I don't see animus in most Pens fans' Bylsma evaluations. Most of their better posters usually lead with "We probably wouldn't have won the Cup in '09..." before delving into his deficiencies.

Perhaps you and I have different definitions of "resentment" and "animosity."

 

[Samsonite23]

I don't see animus in most Pens fans' Bylsma evaluations. Most of their better posters usually lead with "We probably wouldn't have won the Cup in '09..." before delving into his deficiencies.

Perhaps you and I have different definitions of "resentment" and "animosity."

http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showthread.php?t=2139369&highlight=bylsma

 

[Zip15]

http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showthread.php?t=2139369&highlight=bylsma

Gee, look who started that thread. And a whopping three pages. Strong opinions abound!

Resentment! Animus! Pure hatred!

 

[SnuggaRUDE]

Gee, look who started that thread. And a whopping three pages. Strong opinions abound!

Resentment! Animus! Pure hatred!

That's an accurate summary of the thread. There's almost nothing in it complimentary about your new favorite coach.

Oh someone said there would be good pressers. So you've got that to hang your hat on.

Go ahead and spin how the Pittsburgh fans writing those things didn't know what they're talking about though. IT's some of the more recognizable Pittsburgh posters commenting.

 

[Jame]

Gee, look who started that thread. And a whopping three pages. Strong opinions abound!

Resentment! Animus! Pure hatred!

http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showpost.php?p=93953497&postcount=13



Pure joy

Even with the recent hot streak, I think Nolan's a placeholder. That said, I think he'd probably be here through next season. Richardson is a possibility, and with his daughter in Ithaca for another 18 months, there may be a perfect confluence of a job opening and Richardson leaving Central New York.

Other possibilities:

Jeff Blashill - Many (including Blashill, himself) thought he was the coach in waiting in Detroit. If Babcock re-signs, I imagine he'll start looking at his exit strategy.

Dan Bylsma - I can't shake the feeling that Pegula may want his GM to throw big $$ at a name coach with a track record like Bylsma. But who knows if he's still on the market by the time Nolan is gone.

Those are my three guesses at the top candidates should Nolan be sent on his way.

So... yea about that...

 

[Zip15]

That's an accurate summary of the thread. There's almost nothing in it complimentary about your new favorite coach.

Oh someone said there would be good pressers. So you've got that to hang your hat on.

Go ahead and spin how the Pittsburgh fans writing those things didn't know what they're talking about though. IT's some of the more recognizable Pittsburgh posters commenting.

Yawn. That all you've got?

 

[Zip15]

http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showpost.php?p=93953497&postcount=13



Pure joy

So... yea about that...

I have no doubt that Pegula was on board with Bylsma. Doesn't change the fact that he's Murray's hire. Murray was not ceding control of his first hire as an NHL GM. It's amazing that you keep seeking to return to this rabbit hole.

 

[Samsonite23]

Gee, look who started that thread. And a whopping three pages. Strong opinions abound!

Resentment! Animus! Pure hatred!

Idk what you want. I gave you the thread made to find out the fanbases view on their former coach. Is that not specific enough? It's completely filled will negative comments.

 

[OkimLom]

it was 2 2nds AND a proven legitimate #5 dman with physicality for Fasching and Nic Deslauriers

37 games in 2 seasons (25 games and 12 games) at the time of the trade is considered proven?

horrible trade as it is, Fasching is a career minor leaguer.

So 25 games in the AHL (17 in the NHL)is a career Minor leaguer?

 

[Jame]

I have no doubt that Pegula was on board with Bylsma. Doesn't change the fact that he's Murray's hire. Murray was not ceding control of his first hire as an NHL GM. It's amazing that you keep seeking to return to this rabbit hole.

It's amazing watching you tap dance around the fact that you thought the same exact thing.

Who is a better coach, Torts or Bylsma?