Sabres Management and Coaching Thread

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Is it crazy to think that, knowing playoffs are out of reach, and recognizing that a top 5 pick vs. a #10 pick could mean the difference between an immediate starter and a guy that needs development, that GMTM doesn't want the "new coach bump" and won't fire Bylsma until season over because he doesn't want a heroic 7-2-1 streak to end the season? It sounds crazy typing it out... too crazy to be true, right?
 
Is it crazy to think that, knowing playoffs are out of reach, and recognizing that a top 5 pick vs. a #10 pick could mean the difference between an immediate starter and a guy that needs development, that GMTM doesn't want the "new coach bump" and won't fire Bylsma until season over because he doesn't want a heroic 7-2-1 streak to end the season? It sounds crazy typing it out... too crazy to be true, right?

Given the rep this draft has for being really week, I would be surprised if a guy taken at 5 makes the jump to the NHL for next season.
 
At this point we should cross fingers to get a top 2 pick and take one of those guys. If not hopefully dangle the pick for a young dman who needs a change. Anyone stand out in that category?
 
Why doesn't this team cycle the puck down low at all?

I'm more dumb-founded why the only real breakout play the Sabres have for coming out of their own zone - either at 5-on-5 or the PP - is this stupid drop-pass play where guys moving forward throw (or leave puck) passes backwards to a player behind them. In Bylsma's misguided thinking, he probably thinks that he has skaters like Eichel and Ristolainen that can skate through a turnstile of opponents but what we see most of the time is the law of physics kick in:

1) Sabre forwards standing still at the opponents blueline, waiting for the delayed puck carrier to catch up - resulting in either an offsides play, a dump-in with no speed or momentum by those waiting forwards to retrieve it or the puck carrier losing the puck because the gauntlet of 3-4 opponents converging on him make it impossible to get through;

2) The opposing forwards skating with momentum towards the Sabres zone pressure the puck carrier before he reaches center ice, which makes odd man rushes on the Sabres goalies easier because all of the Sabre forwards are caught flat-footed at center ice or the opposing blueline.

Despite the low percentage that the play actually works because of either an Eichel stickhandling clinic or an opponents' error, Bylsma keeps going back to this over and over.

That to me shows how flawed his "system" - which he promotes as one built on speed and pressure - really is.

Watching the Leafs battle for a playoff spot while this team continues to sink further in the standings tells me that losing out on Babcock at the very least has slowed down the rebuild. On paper, the Leafs aren't any better than the Sabres. They have a dreadful defense, inconsistent goaltending, and some budding stars on offense. The Sabres have had consistency issues all year, and had some dreadful stretches of play even when mostly healthy.

I'm ready to move on from Byslma. I'm in the 'wait and see' mode with Murray, but he deserves some credit for this hot mess.

Good points - but on Babcock, I think it was widely understood (and backed up by the suitors and contract offers) that he is one of the best motivators. It was a question-mark at the time by the media if he could really adapt to a rebuild situation with inexperienced young players after having a winning, veteran team in Detroit for so long - but he's clearly not only embraced the rebuild but inspired his roster to overachieve. Bylsma clearly doesn't have the same ability with a more experienced roster at his disposal.

On Murray, I agree with you - I'm OK with giving him another year to improve things. He hit a home run with the O'Reilly trade; a base hit with the Kane and Lehner trades; and struck out on the Kulikov trade IMO. His selection of Bylsma may or may not have been entirely his decision, depending on which reports one reads - though the jury's out on that. Murray isn't above admitting his mistakes or misjudgments and is a straight-shooter so I have more faith in him than I do Bylsma.
 
Yesterday multiple times Drew Doughty would break out of the zone with a pass and then basically go full speed to join the rush.

Is it coaching or simply the individual player? Not every player can do that is my point. Cody Franson and Josh Gorges can't join the rush with speed like that. Ristolainen probably can. But the player IMO needs to be aware of when to join the rush like that. Drew Doughty was doing it a lot.

Bylsma says his D have the green light but we never see that from our D. They are typically throwing it up the boards or trying long passes.

It has to be coaching IMO. I know Bylsma says it, but I don't think they practice it. I bet LA practices those breakout plays all day long.
 
Is it crazy to think that, knowing playoffs are out of reach, and recognizing that a top 5 pick vs. a #10 pick could mean the difference between an immediate starter and a guy that needs development, that GMTM doesn't want the "new coach bump" and won't fire Bylsma until season over because he doesn't want a heroic 7-2-1 streak to end the season? It sounds crazy typing it out... too crazy to be true, right?

There are only 1-2 guys in this draft who might be able to step right into the NHL next year. 5 or 10 doesn't matter. If you want immediate help, you need to win the lottery.

The only real reason not to fire Bylsma right now is that the season's almost over -- who cares? It won't make any difference. May as well leave it and the search for the new HC for the off-season. Either that or Murray isn't planning on firing him at all, which :cry:
 
Is it crazy to think that, knowing playoffs are out of reach, and recognizing that a top 5 pick vs. a #10 pick could mean the difference between an immediate starter and a guy that needs development, that GMTM doesn't want the "new coach bump" and won't fire Bylsma until season over because he doesn't want a heroic 7-2-1 streak to end the season? It sounds crazy typing it out... too crazy to be true, right?

Hmmm. Lol. Maybe and let's hope?
 
Can we talk about how we've almost never seen RoR-Eichel together at even strength aside from post special teams shuffling over the course of 2 seasons?
Give RoR an elite offensive weapon, give Jack a strong 2 way player who can get him the puck

Bylsma is tunnel-visioned on ROR and Eichel being his centers, the same way he is Reinhart being a winger.

What makes this all the more baffling is that even assuming the statement in the 2nd quote is true, Bylsma never had issues throwing crosby and malkin out on the ice at the same time whenever the team needed a boost or had a favorable matchup. Even going way back, there were occasional shifts of Malkin-Crosby-Staal. I get not making ROR-Eichel a permanent set line, but the fact they haven't really seen any ES shifts together over 2 years of bylsma is a head scratcher.
 
I don't like the lack of media coverage on bylsma being anywhere near "the hot seat." If he really were on the outs, there would be more coverage, no?

Exactly. I take Murray at his word that he has no issues with the coach, he's not on a hot seat. There're always rumors before a coach gets fired. I haven't heard a single peep about Dan.
 
Yesterday multiple times Drew Doughty would break out of the zone with a pass and then basically go full speed to join the rush.

Is it coaching or simply the individual player? Not every player can do that is my point. Cody Franson and Josh Gorges can't join the rush with speed like that. Ristolainen probably can. But the player IMO needs to be aware of when to join the rush like that. Drew Doughty was doing it a lot.

Bylsma says his D have the green light but we never see that from our D. They are typically throwing it up the boards or trying long passes.

It has to be coaching IMO. I know Bylsma says it, but I don't think they practice it. I bet LA practices those breakout plays all day long.

To your point, there is a subtle yet significant difference between saying "the dmen have the green light to activate and join the rush", and "the dmen are encouraged to activate and join the rush".
 
To your point, there is a subtle yet significant difference between saying "the dmen have the green light to activate and join the rush", and "the dmen are encouraged to activate and join the rush".

I'm willing to bet the Sabres don't practice it much.
 
Is it crazy to think that, knowing playoffs are out of reach, and recognizing that a top 5 pick vs. a #10 pick could mean the difference between an immediate starter and a guy that needs development, that GMTM doesn't want the "new coach bump" and won't fire Bylsma until season over because he doesn't want a heroic 7-2-1 streak to end the season? It sounds crazy typing it out... too crazy to be true, right?

Not crazy at all. That's been my thought since the Arizona/Colorado debacle.
 
Exactly. I take Murray at his word that he has no issues with the coach, he's not on a hot seat. There're always rumors before a coach gets fired. I haven't heard a single peep about Dan.

For small market teams, you're not going to be getting THAT much coverage on the main media members for coaches on the hot seat. Add in that WGR and TBN seems to favor the Bylsma side of the team, and you're probably not getting that much "where there's smoke, there's fire" articles.

There have been whispers, but nothing too much.
 
Is it crazy to think that, knowing playoffs are out of reach, and recognizing that a top 5 pick vs. a #10 pick could mean the difference between an immediate starter and a guy that needs development, that GMTM doesn't want the "new coach bump" and won't fire Bylsma until season over because he doesn't want a heroic 7-2-1 streak to end the season? It sounds crazy typing it out... too crazy to be true, right?

Not crazy at all. That's been my thought since the Arizona/Colorado debacle.

My thought too. Although I'd have fired him anyway to help re-set the team psyche before the end of the season. But Murray's smarter than I am (or so I'd like to believe).

At this point in this stinky season, no need for the courtesy flush.
 
There are only 1-2 guys in this draft who might be able to step right into the NHL next year. 5 or 10 doesn't matter. If you want immediate help, you need to win the lottery.

The only real reason not to fire Bylsma right now is that the season's almost over -- who cares? It won't make any difference. May as well leave it and the search for the new HC for the off-season. Either that or Murray isn't planning on firing him at all, which :cry:

I partially agree with this. Yes, winning the lottery is the only way to improve next season. But what about the season after that? It's not just a difference between 5 or 10, it's also the difference between 8 and 13 which could be crucial in coming years. Do you want another Risto or another Kassian/Armia/Grigoenko? Myers was our only recent pick in that range that was good and even that didn't end well.

Right now let's consider the top 3 picks go according to the odds and CO, AZ & LV get them. We are still ahead of DET & NJ, but DAL has tailspinned below us, VAN is still bad, so we are at #8 as of now. This recent losing streak has helped CAR pass us and we are still below the tailspinning FLA (2-7-1 in their last 10). After all this losing WIN and PHI are only a couple points ahead of us so we are fortunate we are not slated for the 12th pick. There is usually a big dropoff outside the top 10 that I don't want to test.

Nylander didn't help us this year, but in the coming years after next season I want another guy who is a Nylander or better.
 
I partially agree with this. Yes, winning the lottery is the only way to improve next season. But what about the season after that? It's not just a difference between 5 or 10, it's also the difference between 8 and 13 which could be crucial in coming years. Do you want another Risto or another Kassian/Armia/Grigoenko? Myers was our only recent pick in that range that was good and even that didn't end well.

Right now let's consider the top 3 picks go according to the odds and CO, AZ & LV get them. We are still ahead of DET & NJ, but DAL has tailspinned below us, VAN is still bad, so we are at #8 as of now. This recent losing streak has helped CAR pass us and we are still below the tailspinning FLA (2-7-1 in their last 10). After all this losing WIN and PHI are only a couple points ahead of us so we are fortunate we are not slated for the 12th pick. There is usually a big dropoff outside the top 10 that I don't want to test.

Nylander didn't help us this year, but in the coming years after next season I want another guy who is a Nylander or better.
The difference between 3 and 13 in this draft is so incredibly small. Getting a higher pick would be nice because it would have more trade value if we go that route but in the end this is a type of draft that will show what teams did their homework. A similar draft would be 2012 and look who went #4 and look who went #6, #9 and #11. Ultimately if Buffalo sucks at drafting it likely doesn't matter where they pick if it's outside of the top 2 in this draft. Basically in a weak draft like this getting a higher pick doesn't make the team's job any easier.
 
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Is it crazy to think that, knowing playoffs are out of reach, and recognizing that a top 5 pick vs. a #10 pick could mean the difference between an immediate starter and a guy that needs development, that GMTM doesn't want the "new coach bump" and won't fire Bylsma until season over because he doesn't want a heroic 7-2-1 streak to end the season? It sounds crazy typing it out... too crazy to be true, right?

Murray came to that conclusion back in November and gave up on the season.
 
The difference between 3 and 13 in this draft is so incredibly small. Getting a higher pick would be nice because it would have more trade value if we go that route but in the end this is a type of draft that will show what teams did their homework. A similar draft would be 2012 and look who went #4 and look who went #6, #9 and #11. Ultimately if Buffalo sucks at draft it likely doesn't matter where they pick if it's outside of the top 2 in this draft. Basically in a weak draft like this getting a higher pick doesn't make the team's job any easier.

I agree as it pertains to this draft, but not because it's a weak draft. It depends on where the tiers are. This draft has no clearly defined tiers after the first 2 picks. A weak draft that has 5 good, but not great, players, but then everyone else is a total crapshoot, then getting that higher pick makes a difference.
 
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