Sabres Management and Coaching Thread

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Is it crazy to think that, knowing playoffs are out of reach, and recognizing that a top 5 pick vs. a #10 pick could mean the difference between an immediate starter and a guy that needs development, that GMTM doesn't want the "new coach bump" and won't fire Bylsma until season over because he doesn't want a heroic 7-2-1 streak to end the season? It sounds crazy typing it out... too crazy to be true, right?

Not crazy.

If Buffalo is picking around 10, they're looking at a player who will need 1-2 years development to become a solid player. Heiskanen types. Maybe Makar.

Drafting around 5 gives GMTM a shot at Mittelstadt, Tippett, Pettersson, Liljegren, possibly Vilardi. Some of those players hit the NHL earlier. Three of those players are centers or can play center. Better trade odds.
 
The difference between 3 and 13 in this draft is so incredibly small. Getting a higher pick would be nice because it would have more trade value if we go that route but in the end this is a type of draft that will show what teams did their homework. A similar draft would be 2012 and look who went #4 and look who went #6, #9 and #11. Ultimately if Buffalo sucks at drafting it likely doesn't matter where they pick if it's outside of the top 2 in this draft. Basically in a weak draft like this getting a higher pick doesn't make the team's job any easier.

I completely disagree. If you look at 2012, what made that different was the run on d-men. We however were committed to getting the best center we could. Galchenyuk was the first center to go and was projected to go in the top 3. At some points Forseberg was projected to go in the top 5. Grigorenko was slated for the 10-12 slots. Are you honestly going to tell me that you are fine that we didn't draft a few spots higher so we could get Forseberg instead of Grigorenko?
 


Is vogl confirming or trolling Hamilton?

I'm finding this Bylsma narrative annoying lately... sure, there are other components to the Sabres failed season (injuries, players effort, lack of blueline talent, etc), but they all pale in comparison to Bylsma's ineptitude.
 
Nobody wants to actually open Harrington's article to read it and give it a click and I don't blame them.
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Considering it's Harrington it's not a bad article. He agrees there are good reasons to the argument to fire Bylsma but just cautions that the reason shouldn't be that the players want him gone.
 
He lost his job when his team came off the bye week and crapped its pants - at the time I had almost written off any chance of the playoffs, I thought Florida was going to go on a roll and take one of the spots. None of the teams that were ahead of us have played very well since then, Leafs(4-3-3) Islanders(4-4-2) Florida(3-6-1), we had the opportunity to get right in the thick of the race with a mostly healthy roster and responded with some of the worst hockey since the tank seasons. Goodbye Dan.
 
Not gonna click that crap.

I wish people would posting any and all of Harrington's tweets and articles.

But I know LaxSabre and others don't feel the same. They find some sort of value in it I guess.
 
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Not gonna click that crap.

I wish people would posting any and all of Hamiltons tweets and articles.

But I know LaxSabre and others don't feel the same. They find some sort of value in it I guess.

You mean Harrington, right? I mean, Hamilton is also known for pushing his agendas, but he's usually not quite as despicable as the whole cabal of clowns at TBN.
 
im curious - who felt the need to give bylsma a 5 year deal? surely he didnt have that much leverage to negotiate that. i think the only thing keeping bylsma is a job is his contract.. if it wad a 3 year deal im sure he would have been shown the door
 
im curious - who felt the need to give bylsma a 5 year deal? surely he didnt have that much leverage to negotiate that. i think the only thing keeping bylsma is a job is his contract.. if it wad a 3 year deal im sure he would have been shown the door

I understood the reason why it was 5 years. It sent a message to other coaches that we're not going to leave you with an impossible task and put too much pressure on them unless you are doing harm to the development of the players. When you're trying to build an organization from the bottom like where we were, you need to send positive messages to the rest of the coaching community. Undercutting them with a 2 year or 3 year deal, I think does the team harm for lining up future candidates. Tim Murray standing behind his coach was the right move, regardless what I think of Bylsma as a coach. At this point you're giving your coach all the support, and in fact, putting some blame on himself to ease the situation, which I agree with is the thing he needed to do. Asking the coach to get the roster in a playoff contention after 2 years from being the last place team two years in a row with such horrible numbers is bad practice. You need to give the coach some rope and some support. I think the 5 year deal was going to be the ballpark term from ANY of the coaches we were going to hire.

I think what solidified the coach being the choice was more to do with Dan selling that he learned a lot from hockey from his 1 year hiatus. I can't blame the guy to do that, and unfortunately Murray's first choice of coach didn't work out.

My thinking of the what the reality of the contract should've been laid out and why I'm not too upset about the standing of the team in terms of playoffs contention:

1st year - 15-16 - This is where you lay the foundation of the team, how you want to play, start creating an identity of your team. Playoffs contention - Not important.

2nd year - 16-17 - You have the foundation, now you need to learn to win games, go through the learning experiences. Let your young guys make mistakes while trying to find their footing in the league. This is where the vets would need to be depended upon to win you games. Teach the guys to comeback from wins. Playoff Contention - try to stay in the race into late February or Early March.

3rd year - 17-18 - Gain the confidence of winning Consistently. This is where the youngs guys should be learning to take over games and making a name for themselves. We should be seeing guys in the AHL come in and start battling the vets for spots. Playoff Contention level - Stay in the race until the end of the year and hopefully claim a wild card spot.

4th year - 18-19 - We should be cementing ourselves as threats to win games, we should have a well-oiled machine of a system where the team plays like it's natural for them. At this point our young players should be leading the charge as we have a few guys from the transition roster remaining. Playoff Contention level - Should be in the lower mid-card spot or fighting for divisional spots. Playoffs should be automatic at this point.

5th year - 19-20 - We should be a top 10 team in the league at this point. Playoff Contention level: 2nd round or more.

It looks from this fan's perspective, that Dan is doing developmental harm to the players, and has been threatening to the future of this team with poor decisions that impact the usefulness of the players. I personally think Dan has met the first two years timeline just fine, but I question how Dan's decisions will allow them to be competitive from year 3 and onward. I'm not firing him because we didn't make the playoffs, I'm firing him because I have zero confidence, that he is able to get anything better out of this team, and have them play consistent competitive hockey going forward. For this reason, I feel it's time to let Dan go and find our versions of Therrien, Savard, or T. Murray.
 
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Harrington says excuses would be over if they fired Bylsma. Would expectations be any different entering Eichel and Reinhart's 3rd season if we kept Bylsma? Would there be excuses?

I'm confused by that no excuses comment. I'm pretty sure next year there are no excuses with or without Bylsma.
 
Harrington says excuses would be over if they fired Bylsma. Would expectations be any different entering Eichel and Reinhart's 3rd season if we kept Bylsma? Would there be excuses?

I'm confused by that no excuses comment. I'm pretty sure next year there are no excuses with or without Bylsma.

First, thanks for making me read his article so I could answer you :laugh:


Harrington is saying the players have issues with the Disco.

What you couldn't have expected was the way players constantly make veiled comments about just "playing hockey" and "not thinking so much" and "not worrying where I am or where I'm supposed to be."

You've heard it from Jack Eichel and Evander Kane and Sam Reinhart. From Jake McCabe and Ryan O'Reilly. And Tyler Ennis too. No insinuation here that any of the aforementioned are malcontents, nothing close to it.



So if he gets fired they can no longer use him as an excuse for their poor play.

Bylsma may deserve to go. Absolutely. But if it happens, the built-in excuse will be gone. The folks occupying the locker room better keep that in mind.
 
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Is it crazy to think that, knowing playoffs are out of reach, and recognizing that a top 5 pick vs. a #10 pick could mean the difference between an immediate starter and a guy that needs development, that GMTM doesn't want the "new coach bump" and won't fire Bylsma until season over because he doesn't want a heroic 7-2-1 streak to end the season? It sounds crazy typing it out... too crazy to be true, right?

I don't think Murray is playing the game you think he is.

I think the reason Murray hasn't fired Disco is because he doesn't have the same issues with him many on here do. I still believe Disco will be the coach to start next season.
 
Bylsma will still be here to start next year.

But if this team is not in a playoff position at Thanksgiving (which with Bylsma at the helm is IMO a pretty good bet), he'll be out.
 
Bylsma will still be here to start next year.

But if this team is not in a playoff position at Thanksgiving (which with Bylsma at the helm is IMO a pretty good bet), he'll be out.

I am leaning the same way as well. Given the injuries and overall lack of poor play from the defense, Bylsma gets at least a chance to right the ship, correct?

I am not saying that he should get another year, but that is the logic. Not to mention, he signed a 5 year deal. As the poster above said, it generally signals that the team is going to give you an opportunity to stick through the tough times of a rebuild.

Part of it may also be the need to entice coaches to Buffalo (to a certain degree).

The way that I see it is, this team has clearly given up on the coach. It has been now, short of a few games, two full seasons at the helm. I find it difficult that a coach who lost the locker room that quickly can get it back. Winning cures all, though.

The Sabres were expecting to make a nice jump again this year, and it didn't happen. The fans were all about the injuries excuse up until a month ago when the pooped the bed. This team is as healthy as its been all season and for the last month they have looked horrid.

Bylsma, if fired, will be the scapegoat for this season. Harrington's point about the built-in excuses is 100% valid -- once you get rid of the scapegoat it's all on you (the players and GMTM).
 
There is nothing that suggests things will get better under Bylsma. No ray of hope. Nothing we can cling to. Murray has to see that, no?
 
I am leaning the same way as well. Given the injuries and overall lack of poor play from the defense, Bylsma gets at least a chance to right the ship, correct?

I am not saying that he should get another year, but that is the logic. Not to mention, he signed a 5 year deal. As the poster above said, it generally signals that the team is going to give you an opportunity to stick through the tough times of a rebuild.

Part of it may also be the need to entice coaches to Buffalo (to a certain degree).

The way that I see it is, this team has clearly given up on the coach. It has been now, short of a few games, two full seasons at the helm. I find it difficult that a coach who lost the locker room that quickly can get it back. Winning cures all, though.

The Sabres were expecting to make a nice jump again this year, and it didn't happen. The fans were all about the injuries excuse up until a month ago when the pooped the bed. This team is as healthy as its been all season and for the last month they have looked horrid.

Bylsma, if fired, will be the scapegoat for this season. Harrington's point about the built-in excuses is 100% valid -- once you get rid of the scapegoat it's all on you (the players and GMTM).

Yep and its worth pointing out that this years jump was going to come mostly from coaching, players developing within his system and individual player development. The jump from the tank year to last year was primarily due to the influx of talent the GM brought in. So this was the year the coach was going to make his mark.


Injuries certainly hurt a lot this season but we've seem to have regressed as a team this year.
 
I think the reason Murray hasn't fired Disco is because he doesn't have the same issues with him many on here do. I still believe Disco will be the coach to start next season.

What is this assumption based on? Public statements by Murray?

What someone says to the press and how they feel behind closed doors could be entirely different.

I guess I'm holding out hope that Bylsma is gone by summer.
 
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