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La Cosa Nostra said:
About 3-4 years back several posters agreed that around 2016 this team would be a contender. I seem to recall Dream '16 being a user title of a pretty prominent poster here.
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Several posters did agree that around 2016 we'd be a contender again. Those posters were largely shouted down by the majority.

We're right on track with where I thought we'd be with things.....and might even be a step ahead if it wasn't for Bylsma.
 
joshjull said:
You make it about you

Also not surprised you addressed nothing.
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What do you want me to say? You didn't say anything anything to reply to.

I do have a question though, If you could pick one which would you pick?

Having the best coach in hockey with bad talent or the most talented team in hockey with a bad coach?

My answer? The most talented team. Why? You can easily change the coach.
 
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Zman5778 said:
Several posters did agree that around 2016 we'd be a contender again. Those posters were largely shouted down by the majority.

We're right on track with where I thought we'd be with things.....and might even be a step ahead if it wasn't for Bylsma.
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That's incorrect
 
Sabre Dance said:
What do you want me to say? You didn't say anything anything to reply to.

I do have a question though, If you could pick one which would you pick?

Having the best coach in hockey with bad talent or the most talented team in hockey with a bad coach?

My answer? The most talented team. Why? You can easily change the coach.
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Would you rather have a decent team with a bad coach or a decent team with a good coach? Because that's where we're at right now.
 
Sabre Dance said:
What do you want me to say? You didn't say anything anything to reply to.

I do have a question though, If you could pick one which would you pick?

Having the best coach in hockey with bad talent or the most talented team in hockey with a bad coach?

My answer? The most talented team. Why? You can easily change the coach.
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How often do you have the most talented team as a rebuilding team?

A good coach will hide the flaws of a team that isn't the most talented, a talented team will hide the flaws of a bad coach. What the Sabres need NOW is a good coach that is able to hide the flaws of this team until they are a talented team. We have enough talent to win games right now, and at a time when this team and the core needs to learn to win, we need a coach that is able to put players in the correct position to succeed and get the team going in the correct habits. When you have a poor coach who can't do this, the team knows it and makes the players not as "excited" to play for that coach, which leads to stretches of uninspired play.

We're at the same point of player enthusiasm as we were right before Ruff got fired and before we went into rebuild mode. We're currently in the middle of a rebuild process, this shouldn't be like this.
 
I think the expectation was widely:
1) Breakdown starts in mid '13, got Risto and Zads (supposed defensive cornerstones on top of Myers, Ehrhoff, etc.), posters first start thinking long-term about the plan.
2) Two tank years expected, one to get either Ekblad or best forward in '14, then McDavid/Eichel sweepstakes in '15.
3) Bounceback to a bubble team in '16, which we were sort of close to.
4) Be definitely in the playoffs in '17, if not a contender yet.
5) Window is open in '18, get at least one crack at the cup before McDavid/Eichel is off their ELC.

At least, that was always my mental roadmap, and I thought I was in the majority there. Contention in '16 is a really hard one to visualize, don't recall too much chatter around that.

That's a five year plan, with the nadir pretty much equidistant between selling Pominville/firing Ruff and opening a new window. Seemed reasonable.
 
Aladyyn said:
Would you rather have a decent team with a bad coach or a decent team with a good coach? Because that's where we're at right now.
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Decent team with a bad coach. Talent wins, decent teams dont win cups. So I would hope the bad coach gets me a top pick. Then I would just replace the bad coach.

Maybe Im just horrible at explaining myself. Coach does mean something, but it seems like teams recycle coaches all the time so you can always find one. Lets just say Dan Bylsma is Terry Murray. High picks developing, then when the team is better we hire some experienced coach that was just fired for whatever reason.
 
That jack benching still has me hot. It's clear targeting. Where was girgensons' benching when he had the winning shift of 3 turnovers. Where has reinharts' benching been when he's lost his man on the counter attack?

Literally the only player who created Good chances in the third, and both were counterattacked on our laughable defense.
 
you guys are we too obsessed with our golden children. I don't agree with it, but it is what it is.
 
Paul Hamilton said it on the radio this morning and now Travis Yost said it. Sounds like Eichel definitely doesn't like Bylsma and it also sounds like he's not the only one.
 
sabresfan129103 said:
Paul Hamilton said it on the radio this morning and now Travis Yost said it. Sounds like Eichel definitely doesn't like Bylsma and it also sounds like he's not the only one.
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I'm probably the only person here that believes Murray wants Bylsma to be tougher on Eichel.
 
Sabre Dance said:
What do you want me to say? You didn't say anything anything to reply to.
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I addressed multiply things you put forth. If you don't want to respond to what I posted that's fine. But spare me this nonsense that there wasn't anything to reply to.


I do have a question though, If you could pick one which would you pick?

Having the best coach in hockey with bad talent or the most talented team in hockey with a bad coach?

My answer? The most talented team. Why? You can easily change the coach
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Who cares? This is another of your pointless statements/arguments.

The question should be,

Is this current roster playing to its potential? If not, then why is that the case?
 
haseoke39 said:
I think the expectation was widely:
1) Breakdown starts in mid '13, got Risto and Zads (supposed defensive cornerstones on top of Myers, Ehrhoff, etc.), posters first start thinking long-term about the plan.
2) Two tank years expected, one to get either Ekblad or best forward in '14, then McDavid/Eichel sweepstakes in '15.
3) Bounceback to a bubble team in '16, which we were sort of close to.
4) Be definitely in the playoffs in '17, if not a contender yet.
5) Window is open in '18, get at least one crack at the cup before McDavid/Eichel is off their ELC.

At least, that was always my mental roadmap, and I thought I was in the majority there. Contention in '16 is a really hard one to visualize, don't recall too much chatter around that.

That's a five year plan, with the nadir pretty much equidistant between selling Pominville/firing Ruff and opening a new window. Seemed reasonable.
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This is what I was expecting as well.
 
If you asked me a month ago, I would have said I think Bylsma will start next season as the Sabres coach (I think I did, actually). But if they continue this downward trend through the end of the season, he has to be gone, right? We're now on pace for fewer points than we had last season, and we get outplayed pretty much every game. Surely that can't be tolerated.
 
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