Speculation: Sabres at the Trade Deadline
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tsujimoto74
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Because Hodgson thinks the game as a center. Vancouver tried him at wing and didn't like it much. He's going to be his best as a C, and I think he's clearly working hard to improve his areas of weakness. We're not going anywhere this year. Let him get through the growing pains and work it out.
ZZamboni
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See what I mean?
Just because you fail to see it, doesn't mean it's not there. Yes, 10x is an exaggeration. But if several people (and it has been) tell you something about a player that your not seeing, are you seriously (because it sure looks like it) that bullheaded and defiant to ignore what you may not see?
That's rather immature IMO. Be a man, admit that maybe at times you CAN be wrong about a player. It's ok.
A few games ago, when John Scott concussed Scott Thornton I was convinced they traded blows and Thornton slipped and fell. Well, when 4-5 other posters told me I was wrong, I admitted my mistake and learned the truth. I was wrong. I'm still alive to tell the tale.
Several people have told you things about Ennis and Hodgson that your simply not seeing. That's ok, it happens. But to blindly argue against it day after day makes you out to look rather .... Bad. (So many other words to use but won't). Just think about it. Because up to today, you refuse to.
EichHart
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They should trade Leopold, Robin R, Gerbe, away at the trade deadlind for picks in this years draft. Use those picks to get a second first rounder to get Erne in conjunction with our own top 5 pick we will have a very bright future! That leaves our defense very thin and would require Mark P or McNabb to step up or sign a FA over the off season.
stokes84
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Actually, they are telling me things that go against FACTS. If you can't see it, you are being bullheaded. Cody Hodgson is a worse defensive player than Tyler Ennis in virtually every measurable standard. But please, keep repeating the same lines without any way of evidence to support your argument. Even Jame has avoided this debate because the evidence doesn't support that stance at all.
Cant we just agree that both Ennis and Hodgson are not good enough defensively as we need them to be as top 6 centers?
Rhett4
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That's been apparent from the get-go. That's what happens when you rely on a sophmore center and a guy who played that position for 14 games as your top 2. I'm sure in the long-run that will improve, but that's why good teams are deep enough that a guy like Hodgson plays easy minutes on the third line until he's ready to take over.
Sabretip
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Other than Vanek, Ott and Grigorenko, the rest of the roster is expendable IMO. I've changed my mind on Myers being on that list because it's become clear that, for all of his physical assets and potential he flashed in his rookie year, he doesn't have the mental toughness or attitude to push to be the best at his position. He seems more destined to be another Brent Burns than Chara or Pronger.
I'd be cautious moving Miller only in that a reliable replacement has to be available - I don't see getting a retread or journeyman just because they earn less salary as the answer.
If I were Black/Pegula, I wouldn't let Regeir do anything at the deadline other than picks for UFA. He's done enough damage. Since the likelihood of a new GM coming in and evaluating talent in the organization isn't reasonable within the time remaining before the deadline. This deadline should resemble the bankruptcy deadline.
Regier gets fired after the last game, and that gives them time to find a new GM and for them to build a management, scouting and coaching team and pull things together around the draft.
I just realized I typed the same thought two years ago.
I agree 1000% - I don't trust any moves Regier might make now out of panic or short-sightedness. He clearly has misjudged for years what kind of roster he has and dismissed the glaring deficiencies of leadership and combativeness.
If this summer is to be a major housecleaning across the board in order to allow the culture to be reshaped from scratch, Regier should be seen just as much an "interim" presence as Rolston. I hope Pegula realizes this.
As statistically reliable as he's been, Pominville's ascension to captaincy is just another representation of what's been wrong with this team since Drury/Briere left. His passive style is emblematic of the majority of the roster where vanilla responses to mistakes / passionless half-hearted efforts are now the norm after losses. I respect someone more who's clearly P.O'ed after a loss (like Miller and Vanek have been) than someone who's always regurgitating the same politically-correct, diplomatic cliches that Pominville gives to avoid blaming anyone or calling anyone out. He doesn't seem at all the type to inspire, rally or confront teammates that aren't carrying their load. As a role model, he's not who I want the young prospects looking up to.
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Dubi Doo
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I think Hodgson will become the better player [in regards to ennis], but Ennis is better defensively than Hodgson. No doubt about it.
As for the trade deadline, the Sabres should try to get picks. I like what Darcy did last year. The offseason should be the true rebuild.
As for the trade deadline, the Sabres should try to get picks. I like what Darcy did last year. The offseason should be the true rebuild.
Agree with Zip,
If Colorado wants our first at the TD and we are still in the basement it is a near no go for me. The top end talent in this draft is too good to pass up on. With that said, I feel ROR is a huge piece that this team needs and would still have to entertain the possibility.
I'd prefer to ship out Grigs and Ennis or something similar.
If Colorado wants our first at the TD and we are still in the basement it is a near no go for me. The top end talent in this draft is too good to pass up on. With that said, I feel ROR is a huge piece that this team needs and would still have to entertain the possibility.
I'd prefer to ship out Grigs and Ennis or something similar.
I'd just dump the majority of our non-core players for draft picks.
Jordan Leopold for a second round pick
Robyn Regehr for a second round pick
Patrick Kaleta for a third round pick
Jochen Hecht for a fourth round pick
Mike Weber for a fourth round pick
Drew Stafford for Chris Tanev
I don't want too many roster players coming back because I want us to finish pretty low in the standings.
Vanek-Hodgson-Pominville
Foligno-Ennis-Gerbe
Ott-Grigorenko-Porter
Ellis-McCormick-Scott
Ehrhoff-Myers
Sekera-Pardy
Sulzer-Tanev
Brennan
Miller
Enroth
Jordan Leopold for a second round pick
Robyn Regehr for a second round pick
Patrick Kaleta for a third round pick
Jochen Hecht for a fourth round pick
Mike Weber for a fourth round pick
Drew Stafford for Chris Tanev
I don't want too many roster players coming back because I want us to finish pretty low in the standings.
Vanek-Hodgson-Pominville
Foligno-Ennis-Gerbe
Ott-Grigorenko-Porter
Ellis-McCormick-Scott
Ehrhoff-Myers
Sekera-Pardy
Sulzer-Tanev
Brennan
Miller
Enroth
Canucks are not moving Tanev...not for Stafford anyways. One could argue Tanev has been Vancouver's most defensively reliable defenseman this year. He is certainly the most consistent game in and out.
The Red Helmet
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Kaleta is a great 4th liner who hits and is good on the penalty kill, trading him for a 3rd would be a bad move. Also trading Weber for a 4th would be terrible as well. Nobody wants Hecht.
Given how many times Ennis drew the defensive zone starts to begin the season, it's not a surprise his line's offensive output is down. That said, he's done better with it as time has gone on, as has Hodgson's ability at the faceoff dot. Neither are good enough to be 1-2 on a playoff team though, either defensively nor at faceoffs.
La Cosa Nostra
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Grigorenko and Ennis for RoR , I think you forgot Landedkogs name next to his. No way in hell would I trade Ennis AND Grigorenko for RoR.
And why is Ott being considered so untouchable? Because he hits a lot? This Sabre team is hitting far more then any other recent team in Sabre history yet we are having one of the worst years in the history of the franchise. For the amount of ice time Ott gets (17:06 a game which is 1st liner minutes) he needs to score a lot more then 3 goals in 19 games.
Ana Crusis
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That is fine, you don't get ROR then and have to wait and hope Grigs pans out and reachs his full potential. Guys like Ennis are replaceable, despite the talent he posesses. Guys like ROR are not.
As for Ott? I have no issue moving him, but I don't think we can get much in return other than a 2nd round pick or a mid level prospect.
stokes84
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I completely agree with both of these statements, but just to be clear, my whole point was based on the take below, which is clearly popular around here seeing as Ennis is in many trade proposals, while Hodgson is in very, very few.
Why is it that Hodgson is slotted in as a future pillar of the organization while Ennis is deemed as expendable? Many people are willing to give CoHo the benefit of the doubt, but are fast to dismiss Ennis on things he's doing better than CoHo right now. It doesn't make sense.
stokes84
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Obviously that's not how Colorado feels. It's a lot easier to find two way hustle players than to find natural scorers, so we're going to have to agree to disagree here.
Fair enough,
Though I think you are greatly under-estimating ROR by claiming he is a two way hustle player. He would be our first line center hands down if we acquired him, even with Hodgson and Ennis not being part of any perspective trade.
Newcastlesabre
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Much as it hurts, trade Miller, maybe for Crawford as hawks need a quality goaltender, plus another player (Bickell?) and a high draft pick.
Except that O'Reilly is younger than both Hodgson and Ennis, and puts up very similar points.
I believe he has the best regular season of the 3.
Kaleta and Gerbe
And untouchable is still valid, it just means the cost would be so astronomically high no other team would give up enough.Crosby is untouchable but obviously if you gut your team and drastically overpay then of course Pittsburgh would trade him.
My "untouchable" list:
Vanek
Grigorenko
Girgensons
Hodgson
Ennis
I don't want to trade either Cody or Ennis, both are already top 6 scoring centers, what we need is a 3rd line center who can win face offs, hit, play two way hockey, Penalty kill and chip in 10-15 goals. Sounds like RoR (but RoR has more offense) but I would rather find a way to acquire him without moving Ennis or Hodgson. If we can we can do that we could move Ennis back to LW, bump Foligno down to the 3rd line where he can exploit match ups and have Grigs center the 3rd line with actually talented players. It seems Avs fans would take Sekera, Armia and Pysyk for RoR, which is much better idea then trading Ennis or Grigorenko.
Vanek-Hodgson-Pominville
Ennis-RoR-Stafford
Foligno-Grigorenko-Ott
VANEK and MILLER are the only two which should be on you list. Have you been watching any of the last few games, and you include Ennis.
dma0034
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Okay the ROR love is starting to get crazy. He isn't a first line center at all. He's the ideal #2. Ennis has averaged 22 goals and 31 Assists per 80 games in his career so far and those numbers could increase if he had a finisher on his line. O'Reilly has averaged 12 goals and 23 assists per 80 games thus far.... I'd love to have O'Reilly over Ennis because the Sabres need a two way center but make no mistake on who the more talented offensive player is.
