Confirmed with Link: Ryane Clowe to Rangers for NYR 2013 2nd, FLA 2013 3rd, Conditional 2nd 2014

[nyrpassion]

Slept on it. And the more I like the trade.

 

[TheRightWay]

I think the Wolski comparison is fine. I don't believe Ola meant they're comparable in terms of style or skill set, rather that we're acquiring a guy that had been productive in the past but was struggling at the time of the deal. It's an trade in the Wolski mold. Taking a flier on a talented player, hoping they return to glory, so to speak.

I mean... I guess. But that's solely looking at offense. Wolski is all or nothing. If he isn't putting up points than he is irrelevant or perhaps even a liability. Obviously you want the points from Clowe, but he is capable of doing all the other things as well.

 

[Jabroni]

I think the Wolski comparison is fine. I don't believe Ola meant they're comparable in terms of style or skill set, rather that we're acquiring a guy that had been productive in the past but was struggling at the time of the deal. It's an trade in the Wolski mold. Taking a flier on a talented player, hoping they return to glory, so to speak.

I see, but from what I've heard Clowe has intangibles that make him effective even when he's not scoring. Wolski was invisible otherwise. That's why Clowe has a better chance of returning to glory.

 

[nyr2k2]

I always read the board of the other team after we make a trade.

Sharks fans seem to be none too pleased with the return. Initial reaction here was relatively negative. That usually means that a trade was decent for both teams.

I don't like to give up picks either, but at the end of the day they're still picks that are very unlikely to ever amount to NHL players. Yes, it could be that those picks become Ryan Callahan and Derek Stepan. It is much, much more likely that they become Ryan Hillier and Brodie Dupont. If Clowe proves to be even remotely effective, it's a very good deal for our organization.

We don't do well with reclamation projects. I don't even remember the last time one worked out for us. That said, I still think it's a decent gamble for us to take. If Clowe somehow returns to form and becomes a 50+ point guy? That would be a coup.

 

[nyr2k2]

I mean... I guess. But that's solely looking at offense. Wolski is all or nothing. If he isn't putting up points than he is irrelevant or perhaps even a liability. Obviously you want the points from Clowe, but he is capable of doing all the other things as well.

I see, but from what I've heard Clowe has intangibles that make him effective even when he's not scoring. Wolski was invisible otherwise. That's why Clowe has a better chance of returning to glory.

No I agree with all that. They're definitely different players. It's the same type of gamble though. "Let's go get this guy and hope he returns to form." Yes, Clowe brings more than Wolski, but I still get the same "feeling" from the move. If that makes sense.

 

[AlternateSideParking]

Screw the draft picks. My only concern is if Clowe's shoulder has limited his ability to mash people into the boards and be an overall pain in the nect to play against.

Clowe is far from useless if he isnt scoring. The Rangers had nobody on the roster who could change the complexion of a game without scoring a goal. The only guy who comes close is Callahan. Avery used to do it all the time.

This team needs some life. Goals help more, but come playoff time, Clowe wil come in handy.

 

[Jabroni]

I always read the board of the other team after we make a trade.

Sharks fans seem to be none too pleased with the return. Initial reaction here was relatively negative. That usually means that a trade was decent for both teams.

I don't like to give up picks either, but at the end of the day they're still picks that are very unlikely to ever amount to NHL players. Yes, it could be that those picks become Ryan Callahan and Derek Stepan. It is much, much more likely that they become Ryan Hillier and Brodie Dupont. If Clowe proves to be even remotely effective, it's a very good deal for our organization.

We don't do well with reclamation projects. I don't even remember the last time one worked out for us. That said, I still think it's a decent gamble for us to take. If Clowe somehow returns to form and becomes a 50+ point guy? That would be a coup.

Stralman?

 

[Jabroni]

No I agree with all that. They're definitely different players. It's the same type of gamble though. "Let's go get this guy and hope he returns to form." Yes, Clowe brings more than Wolski, but I still get the same "feeling" from the move. If that makes sense.

Agreed. Me too, but I have more confidence in Clowe than Wolski.

 

[pld459666]

Yeah for sure.

I mean, that is the plan atleast. Nothing is done before it is done. If Gabby develops instant chemistry with some guys on this roster and wins Conn Smyth and we the Cup, Slats/Gorton can always alter their plans.
But we know for sure that Slats/Goron has called around about Gabby. Given Gabby's mood lately, I am not at all suprised if he has been asked to supply a list of 8 (?) teams either. When doing this, Slats/Gorton has asked if their is interest in Gabby right now, with the return being something that fills holes currently on the roster and down the road. Basically on the level that they are asking for like Duchene from Colorado and players like that. It doesn't seem like anyone will bite.

From those that don't bite, I am certain they also are asking if they will be interested in being involved in talks about Gabby at basically the draft -- if we need to move him for cap purposes -- with the price basically being picks & prospect oriented. And for that compensation, this summer -- take my word for it -- I am certain enough teams will be interested. Many teams every year are in the same position as Toronto were when they traded for Kessel. IE, they have good assets, they believe in their future, they have a dissapointing season behind them, and they are looking to give the kids they keep a good environment and jump start their future. Their GM's have a ton of pressure on them to take the last step. By getting Gabby they will certainly move in the right direction.

And when giving up the number of picks we have currently, it definitely seem like we are expecting to get some picks back...

I don't even think that is going to change the thought process behind the trade.

The Rangers are faced with some very difficult decisions over the next 2 off-seasons and freeing up that 7.5 in addition to the 10 we have available to us this summer is going to be sooo important.

The system that the Rangers emply do not suit Gaborik's style regardless of the 2 40+ goal seasons he's had here. That's more of a testament of the type of player that Gaborik is than anything.

Gaborik needs a system less restrictive and geared more to the middle of the ice than grinding along the walls and behind the goal. And while he has somewhat re-invented himself to be a front of the net presence, it's taking a physical toll on his body.

Wether Gabby has a resurgence or not. Wether Gabby leads the Rangers to the SC and wins the Conn Smyht doing it, in my opinion, is not going to alter the plans at this years draft.

Moving Gaborik is not a matter of the team not wanting the player. It's a matter of better managing the cap and spreading that particular salary around to ensure that the team retains core components and remains deep.

Rangers can re-coup the picks they do not have and add a solid prospect to the system to replenish those assets lost in the Nash and Clowe deals.

In a capped environment, it's a smart and logical move.

 

[NYR Viper]

I always read the board of the other team after we make a trade.

Sharks fans seem to be none too pleased with the return. Initial reaction here was relatively negative. That usually means that a trade was decent for both teams.

I don't like to give up picks either, but at the end of the day they're still picks that are very unlikely to ever amount to NHL players. Yes, it could be that those picks become Ryan Callahan and Derek Stepan. It is much, much more likely that they become Ryan Hillier and Brodie Dupont. If Clowe proves to be even remotely effective, it's a very good deal for our organization.

We don't do well with reclamation projects. I don't even remember the last time one worked out for us. That said, I still think it's a decent gamble for us to take. If Clowe somehow returns to form and becomes a 50+ point guy? That would be a coup.

Gaborik could be considered a reclamation project coming off of surgery.

Clowe provides a toughness, sandpaper, willingness to engage, however you want to describe it in the top-6. He is a top-6 player. 45-55 points/season. This team has needed a player like this for years. Dubinsky was supposed to be this type of player, he decided he wanted to be a skilled player instead.

 

[NYR Viper]

Chris Nichols ‏@Nichols_NHLPool 2m
Newest #NYR winger Ryane Clowe: "I think I've played my best hockey the last couple of weeks." Thinks fresh start will help. #TradeTracker

He has played better after finally agreeing to sit out due to his shoulder injury.

 

[nyr2k2]

Stralman?

Well, I thought Rozsival, but he was only 25 or so when we brought him in. I feel like at that point you're still young enough to not really be a true reclamation project. Stralman would fit in the same category.

If you disregard age, those would be two.

Gaborik could be considered a reclamation project coming off of surgery.

Well, it's hard for me to consider a guy that signs a massive long term deal as a reclamation. It was strictly about health with him. There was no drop off in his play.

Guys like Wolski and Clowe have/had seen their production fall of a cliff.

 

[Parker]

Despite my snark about his 0 goals on the first page, I'm excited that the Rangers are bringing Clowe in and hope that he adds an element that the team has been missing this year.

 

[NYR Viper]

Steve Zipay ‏@stevezipay 1m
More Clowe: "Hoping to get off the schneid and get on a streak. I think I will." Confirms decision was between NYR/Canucks

Glad he chose NY.

 

[NYR Viper]

Also, kind of funny that the Rangers brought in Mashinter, who was supposed to be a similar player to Clowe when he was signed. They know they need to get tougher to play against. Teams who can band together and protect eachother are the teams that win.

 

[LORDE]

Sad thing is, that's probably what Clowe will be looking for in a few months, which is why I'm hating this trade more and more. Moving Gaborik will replenish our picks, but a good chuck of his salary is going to be invested in Clowe. That's not an upgrade. And the fact that we're moving valuable assets to accomplish this is asinine.

IF that's what the plan is... then I HATE this trade. If you're you're gonna overpay for a guy like this... Prust was the guy

 

[NYR Viper]

IF that's what the plan is... then I HATE this trade. If you're you're gonna overpay for a guy like this... Prust was the guy

Should have both guys. Either way, one is better than none. Can't use hindsight.

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

Im not going to force myself to like this acquisition.

I think its desperate and, most importantly, does not even begin to address the real problems with this team.

I also think its ridiculous that some folks are rejoicing, acting like we got the Ryane Clowe of 3 or 4 years ago, when he was actually a difference maker.

 

[GAGLine]

I always read the board of the other team after we make a trade.

Sharks fans seem to be none too pleased with the return. Initial reaction here was relatively negative. That usually means that a trade was decent for both teams.

I don't like to give up picks either, but at the end of the day they're still picks that are very unlikely to ever amount to NHL players. Yes, it could be that those picks become Ryan Callahan and Derek Stepan. It is much, much more likely that they become Ryan Hillier and Brodie Dupont. If Clowe proves to be even remotely effective, it's a very good deal for our organization.

We don't do well with reclamation projects. I don't even remember the last time one worked out for us. That said, I still think it's a decent gamble for us to take. If Clowe somehow returns to form and becomes a 50+ point guy? That would be a coup.

Yes, the odds are against getting an NHL player with a 2nd round or later pick. But the more picks you have, the better chance you have. And the Rangers have been good at finding players of late.

We have no 1st or 2nd round pick. We gave up florida's 3rd, which will likely be the 1st or 2nd pick in the round. This is one of the deepest drafts since 2003 and we have a very real chance of coming out of it with 0 NHL players.

Maybe the plan is to trade Gabby for picks at the draft. If so, then this deal makes some sense. But worst case scenario is that Clowe doesn't return to form and that we can't trade Gabby. If that happens, what do we do? Amnesty Richards to re-sign Clowe? Let Clowe walk?

I'm still on the fence about this. I need to see Clowe in action before I decide if this is a good or bad deal for us.

 

[Cmox]

Steve Zipay ‏@stevezipay 43s
Ryane Clowe will wear his No. 29 in NY; other ex-Rangers with those digits: Al Montoya, Lauri Korpikoski, Reijo Ruotsalainen, Rudy Poeschek!

 

[bogans]

After having some time to process, I like this trade. It addresses the biggest needs that NYR has as an organization without giving up young NHL'ers and/or prospects. In retrospect, I wish they had just ponied up the money for a guy who wanted to remain here and provides much of the same elements in Brandon Prust, but Clowe can and probably will be a bigger scorer than Prust ever will be. Second and third round picks very rarely turn out and we may just get some more back before the draft. That said, let Gabby work out his kinks, don't rush into trading him unless the return is outstanding. Not many guys in this league have his skillset.

 

[Tawnos]

Well, I thought Rozsival, but he was only 25 or so when we brought him in. I feel like at that point you're still young enough to not really be a true reclamation project. Stralman would fit in the same category.

If you disregard age, those would be two.



Well, it's hard for me to consider a guy that signs a massive long term deal as a reclamation. It was strictly about health with him. There was no drop off in his play.

Guys like Wolski and Clowe have/had seen their production fall of a cliff.

To some extent, Jagr was a reclamation project after underachieving for years in Washington. For a minute there, Brian Boyle was a good one.

 

[Jackpot]

I think Clowe (unlike others) will do well in this environment and bring some much needed attitude and physicality to this team. Our current scheme doesn't mesh with the personnel on the roster, to many young'ins and no physicality. Would like to see Nash and Clowe on the same line, Clowe can free up some ice for Nash...

 

[Cmox]

He as per NHL network Clowe is expected to play tonight.

 

[Jackpot]

He as per NHL network Clowe is expected to play tonight.

Would love to see him drop Cooke tonight..and pound home a Nash rebound..