Player Discussion Ryan Strome

[True Blue]

2 years 9M

I would do that. Easily.

 

[duhmetreE]

I would do that. Easily.

It works for both sides.

We eat a UFA year from him but he gets to play with Panarin for 2 years. At 29 he'll be a UFA with elevated stats, so the Islander can sign him to a 7year $50M deal

 

[NYRFANMANI]

You may be waiting for quite a while. Whether or not it is Barron or a new draftee.

A while? Is Barron writing a PhD? He'll be in the system next season and I'm looking at two seasons with Strome tops. Then someone will take over.

Also, be real folks, Strome's season is mainly due to Panarin. Let's be real, ok.

 

[True Blue]

A while? Is Barron writing a PhD? He'll be in the system next season and I'm looking at two seasons with Strome tops. Then someone will take over.

Also, be real folks, Strome's season is mainly due to Panarin. Let's be real, ok.

Wait, wait. Hold on. You want to be "real" and are mentioning Barron in the context of coming to center Panarin very soon? He might as well be writing a PhD as to how long that would take if indeed a miracle occurred and he could even be discussed as holding down such a position.

Does Panarin help? Of course he does. Who wouldn't an elite, top-10 player in the league help? But should we haircut the amount of assists that Strome has due to Panarin scoring them? Should they only count as half a point? In that case, should any assists that he has to Fast count as 1.5 points?

Then there's the fact that Panarin himself is having a career year. He is destroying his past numbers. I know, I know. He would do that if anyone was his center. I mean anyone can play on a line with him. Unless we count Buchnevish, but he does not count.

 

[NYRFANMANI]

Wait, wait. Hold on. You want to be "real" and are mentioning Barron in the context of coming to center Panarin very soon? He might as well be writing a PhD as to how long that would take if indeed a miracle occurred and he could even be discussed as holding down such a position.

Never said anything about Barron centering Panini. But I certainly do expect Barron to be with the big club in two years or bust.

Does Panarin help? Of course he does. Who wouldn't an elite, top-10 player in the league help? But should we haircut the amount of assists that Strome has due to Panarin scoring them? Should they only count as half a point? In that case, should any assists that he has to Fast count as 1.5 points?

We certainly should, in contract negotiations especially. Yes, kinda. The latter part for Fast doesn't count, he's fine to count as a full assist, you're kinda dissing him. If you had written Haley, I'd be down with it.

Then there's the fact that Panarin himself is having a career year. He is destroying his past numbers. I know, I know. He would do that if anyone was his center. I mean anyone can play on a line with him. Unless we count Buchnevish, but he does not count.

Your words, not mine, again. Panarin is having a career year, most probably because he's living his dream, playing for us.

I'd argue you need a certain amount of skill to play with Pan, skill which Strome definitely has and it complements Panarin greatly.

Just don't want to the team to throw some long term deal at him. That 2y/9m mentioned earlier is perfect.

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

Why do I feel like opinions on Strome would be wildly different if he was a player we drafted?

I hated him when we first got him because of the Islanders stink. But his play has earned my appreciation I don’t get why people can’t let it go. He’s a good player, and a good guy. And he’s a Center.

 

[McRanger]

Why do I feel like opinions on Strome would be wildly different if he was a player we drafted?

I think they would be wildly different if he was locked up for a few years or even just another year. Potentially overpaying Strome, especially in term, is really the only concern right now.

 

[True Blue]

Never said anything about Barron centering Panini. But I certainly do expect Barron to be with the big club in two years or bust.

Then why mention him in the context of a Strome discussion? I said that you may be waiting a while to get a Strome replacement. You retorted by asking if Barron was writing a PhD. Logic dictates that you believe that short of writing a PhD, that Barron is coming here to replace Strome. Look at the exact context of the conversation.

There are far greater chances that Barron is NOT with the big club and not even in the NHL in two years. You have a hope. You have hardly any solid footing. Everyone had Kravstov pegged as playing on the top 3 lines this year. And...gasp......what if Barron's first few years go the way of Lias Andersson?

We certainly should, in contract negotiations especially. Yes, kinda. The latter part for Fast doesn't count, he's fine to count as a full assist, you're kinda dissing him. If you had written Haley, I'd be down with it.

I see. Strome makes a good pass to Panarin and it does not count as much. Strome makes a good pass to Fast and it should count as much as all other assists. And I am dissing Fast and you are being on the up with Strome? Got it.

This is beginning to remind me of when Gaborik didn't score real goals. Those were not real goals and assists to Panarin should not count as full assists. Maybe games against teams with winning records should count more than wins against teams with loosing ones? Oh, wait. I know. What if we count assists that are in third periods more than the ones in the first period?

Your words, not mine, again. Panarin is having a career year, most probably because he's living his dream, playing for us.

They are my words because your words seem to imply exactly what I am saying. Ok, let's hear your words to this question. Do you believe that anyone could easily replicate what Strome is doing this year and has done ever since he put on the Rangers uniform?

I'd argue you need a certain amount of skill to play with Pan, skill which Strome definitely has and it complements Panarin greatly.

Just don't want to the team to throw some long term deal at him. That 2y/9m mentioned earlier is perfect.

If he compliments him GREATLY, then how can you not consider something more than a few years? How can you be so sure that someone is coming on a white horse to take his place in two years?

For the record, I like that deal as well but am also open for a longer term deal, under right conditions.

 

[May Rih]

The Strome situation got more interesting with the Kreider extension. Let's forget about personal preferences for a second. We know that not everyone can seamlessly blend with a super star. Buchnevich certainly did not. We certainly have no idea if Chytil will. Having a player who knows his role is to shut up and feed Panarin and who is VERY successful at it is only a positive.

Do I believe that Chytil will eventually succeed as the 2C here? Sure. But he is far from that type of player yet.

So too is Panarin. By FAR. And no one is concerned about that jump in numbers. And this is not a contract year. He can still go to arbitration.

Clearly there will be moves that are made. But I believe that a good amount of money that were saved by the Sjeki trade will be used on DeAngelo. And if a deal cannot be worked out, the market comps it is and his long term deal will come the following year when contracts come off the books.

My gut feeling is that Strome will not be looking for the last dollar. He has found comfort and trust in a coaching staff and a franchise and has resurrected his career here. He gets to play on a line with one of the best players in the league. The comfort of all that may not be worth it to him to go and try to start again in another franchise.

The main part I'll counter on is the bolded - I see it from the opposite perspective:, he'll be coming of a career year, and while still restricted, will be looking to cash in on his performance and make big bucks for the first time in his career.

And as I prefaced on my initial comment, I really like Strome and love him in the role he's carved out here. In a perfect world, I would 100% be in favor of keeping him. But I have concerns about the contract he's going to demand, and what the resulting downstream roster impacts would be in order to keep him.

Regarding Chytil - I know it's really just opinion vs. opinion at this point, but I think he's much closer to being ready for the 2C than not.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

For what it's worth, Ryan Strome leads all pending free agents (RFA and UFA) in points this season

 

[True Blue]

The main part I'll counter on is the bolded - I see it from the opposite perspective:, he'll be coming of a career year, and while still restricted, will be looking to cash in on his performance and make big bucks for the first time in his career.

And as I prefaced on my initial comment, I really like Strome and love him in the role he's carved out here. In a perfect world, I would 100% be in favor of keeping him. But I have concerns about the contract he's going to demand, and what the resulting downstream roster impacts would be in order to keep him.

Regarding Chytil - I know it's really just opinion vs. opinion at this point, but I think he's much closer to being ready for the 2C than not.

Fair. We shall see.

Regarding Chytil, I certainly hope so.

 

[LeetchisGod]

He really needs to stop taking so many dumb penalties.

 

[Fugazy]

He really needs to stop taking so many dumb penalties.

That would be a great start.

 

[Off Sides]

If Strome is extended to something like ~6M and that means DeAngelo is traded, the Rangers will just about check everything I did not want them to do off my list. And it's not a whole lot better if it's Buch who is the casualty with/or instead of ADA.

 

[NYRangers0723]

My main issue with Strome is the PP. he makes a lot of mistakes on the PP and slows it down too much

 

[True Blue]

If Strome is extended to something like ~6M and that means DeAngelo is traded, the Rangers will just about check everything I did not want them to do off my list. And it's not a whole lot better if it's Buch who is the casualty with/or instead of ADA.

I do not think that he is going to be signed for a contract that pays him Kreider-like money. Nor do I believe that he will ask for one here.

 

[Off Sides]

I do not think that he is going to be signed for a contract that pays him Kreider-like money. Nor do I believe that he will ask for one here.

Somewhere in the 5-6M range is comparable to what he'd probably get for just his last RFA year if they went through arbitration based on his points from this season, so he is likely getting something like that as a cap hit for next season no matter if they are keeping him just for that year or for longer term.

 

[True Blue]

Somewhere in the 5-6M range is comparable to what he'd probably get for just his last RFA year if they went through arbitration based on his points from this season, so he is likely getting something like that as a cap hit for next season no matter what if they are keeping him whether just for that year or for longer term.

I am not talking about market comps. I am talking about an agreement between a team and a player who had finally found comfort and confidence in a franchise. And gets to play with a top-5 player to boot.

 

[SA16]

My main issue with Strome is the PP. he makes a lot of mistakes on the PP and slows it down too much

The PP is only scoring...9.8 goals/60 with him on the ice.

 

[NYRangers0723]

The PP is only scoring...9.8 goals/60 with him on the ice


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I never said our PP has been bad I simply meant he hadn’t looked to comfortable on it. Obviously Tony,Kreider,Mika,and Panarin are the main reason for its success. Don’t misunderstand I like Strome I just feel he has looked out of place with those others

 

[Off Sides]

I am not talking about market comps. I am talking about an agreement between a team and a player who had finally found comfort and confidence in a franchise. And gets to play with a top-5 player to boot.

You believe Strome is going to take a well below market rate deal when he is 26 year old coming off one of the best seasons he could probably have?

 

[True Blue]

You believe Strome is going to take a well below market rate deal when he is 26 year old coming off one of the best seasons he could probably have?

For the Rangers? Yes, I do. He resurrected his career her. He finally has comfort and trust of a coaching staff and a team. He gets to play with a top-5 caliber player on his line. Is he willing to throw all that away and start from scratch elsewhere?

That is even beveling that a team out there will give him $6m AND term.

 

[Off Sides]

For the Rangers? Yes, I do. He resurrected his career her. He finally has comfort and trust of a coaching staff and a team. He gets to play with a top-5 caliber player on his line. Is he willing to throw all that away and start from scratch elsewhere?

That is even beveling that a team out there will give him $6m AND term.

I guess we have already reached the point where we disagree. I'm going to be surprised to not see at least a 5M cap his attached to Strome next season if he is kept.

 

[True Blue]

I guess we have already reached the point where we disagree. I'm going to be surprised to not see at least a 5M cap his attached to Strome next season if he is kept.

$5m may be good business. What that means as far as other moves is a different speculative discussion.

 

[shello]

Hopefully he stays and keeps a good thing going. God knows he's struggled on other teams