Value of: Ryan Strome’s next contact

[bernmeister]

Trade Strome for picks. Then acquire Monahan from the Flames.

No on acquiring Monahan
stop w/ win now
develop what we have'
jetison excess vets
get to our real core

ideally Strome for picks helping w/cap reality

 

[bernmeister]

I think NYR fans would crucify Villardi if he were put in a 2c role. Don't think the footspeed is there for him on a team already having a hard time with speed. If you want to talk strictly on who we drafted out of it, sure, although Chytil has looked good at times. Probably more of a winger.

the observation about footspeed is astute
whether or not Vil overcomes that remains to be seen

Agree Chytil has looked good at times, enuf to try to find correct Ws.
We should stay the course w/Gauthier and also LaF, who needs to upgrade his skating which appears doable.

 

[bernmeister]

Ranked 100th best line by Fantasy Hockey Line Production | Which NHL Lines Score the Most Goals | leftwinglock.com

"Dominant"

While we would all like to see more goals scored now instead of waiting for LaF to mature,
the fact remains they ARE DOMINANT vs opposiition to extent they control play more than not and are giving up even less

your link admits it is based on scoring, not net production

 

[FoxysExpensiveNYDigs]

While we would all like to see more goals scored now instead of waiting for LaF to mature,
the fact remains they ARE DOMINANT vs opposiition to extent they control play more than not and are giving up even less

your link admits it is based on scoring, not net production

They've had a couple good games but otherwise nothing close to dominant.

 

[jay from jersey]

agree with this except it does not specify as I have, if it is clear we can't afford him going forward, which is overriding as to any other ?, then we should sell to highest bidder immediately

You don’t sell off.
1. He’s not bringing back some high end return. The offers for him over the last 2 seasons have been underwhelming. I suspect that’s why he’s still a ranger. Drury and Gorton both likely figure If the most they are going to get for him is a 2nd/3rd and a meh prospect they figure just self rent him.
2. Rangers are top 5 in the league in terms of points. At this point, they’d have to really screw themselves to miss the playoffs.
Making the playoffs is important this season. It’s important for the culture, the kids, shesty, etc. getting playoff experience with such a young core is invaluable, especially down the line.
3. If he was dealt now or before deadline, Whatever the Strome Return is, it’s 99.9% Surely not as likely to help the rangers this season, or even in the immediate ( next 2 years or so) future.
4. You’ll kill the morale of the team/lockeroom for no reason. Even though most of us wouldn’t extend strome, panarin does enjoy playing with him. He’s also well liked in the room and a big reason why we’re where we are in the standing currently.
At 28, he’s also 1 of the older vets that some kids might look to for leadership qualities.
5. Even though Nyr isn’t a favorite to win the cup, as a GM, you don’t cut your teams knees out like that by subtracting a current top 6 player, and inverting no replacement.
Anything can happen in the playoffs. Gallant took the freaking knights to the finals in their first year of existence. If shesty gets hot and steals some games, and Zibby/Kreider/Panarin/Fox/Strome/Trouba are all playing around the top of their games, the rangers are immensely talented.
Removing your best wingers Center he’s played with for the past 3 years, including this current season is not smart. Replacing him with what?

Moving strome at this juncture is just something that not going to happen.
The only way he’s dealt is if Drury gets an offer that’s too good to be true. there might be about a 1% of actually happening, probably less.
Who is paying a top prospect or even a 1st rd pick for Strome needing a raise and longterm commitment at 29 years old this offseason. Plus he won’t be with Panarin on his flank, and he likely doesn’t find him on his new teams 1PP unit playing along side 4 studs.

there are more reasons, but you get the gist. I don’t feel like typing anymore.
Unless we go on a 10 game losing streak or something, not only is this rangers team not trading/subtracting any players for this years playoff run, they will more then likely add a mercenary or 2 Maybe even 3 to sure up the RW situation and maybe a cheap vet D as well.

some names that nyr looking to add at the TDL before. Lehkonen/ Boyd/ Jarnkrok/ Donskoi/ Tofolli? / Pavelski?/ Connor Brown?/etc more 2nd tier guys on short terms that are relatively cheap.
I highly doubt Drury goes big game hunting until the offseason/Draft
These are the type of guys hell target this year that won’t cost us our 1st rd pick, Chytil/Lundkvist/Jones/Robertson/ kravtsov type assets.

 

[Mersss]

You don’t sell off.
1. He’s not bringing back some high end return. The offers for him over the last 2 seasons have been underwhelming. I suspect that’s why he’s still a ranger. Drury and Gorton both likely figure If the most they are going to get for him is a 2nd/3rd and a meh prospect they figure just self rent him.
2. Rangers are top 5 in the league in terms of points. At this point, they’d have to really screw themselves to miss the playoffs.
Making the playoffs is important this season. It’s important for the culture, the kids, shesty, etc. getting playoff experience with such a young core is invaluable, especially down the line.
3. If he was dealt now or before deadline, Whatever the Strome Return is, it’s 99.9% Surely not as likely to help the rangers this season, or even in the immediate ( next 2 years or so) future.
4. You’ll kill the morale of the team/lockeroom for no reason. Even though most of us wouldn’t extend strome, panarin does enjoy playing with him. He’s also well liked in the room and a big reason why we’re where we are in the standing currently.
At 28, he’s also 1 of the older vets that some kids might look to for leadership qualities.
5. Even though Nyr isn’t a favorite to win the cup, as a GM, you don’t cut your teams knees out like that by subtracting a current top 6 player, and inverting no replacement.
Anything can happen in the playoffs. Gallant took the freaking knights to the finals in their first year of existence. If shesty gets hot and steals some games, and Zibby/Kreider/Panarin/Fox/Strome/Trouba are all playing around the top of their games, the rangers are immensely talented.
Removing your best wingers Center he’s played with for the past 3 years, including this current season is not smart. Replacing him with what?

Moving strome at this juncture is just something that not going to happen.
The only way he’s dealt is if Drury gets an offer that’s too good to be true. there might be about a 1% of actually happening, probably less.
Who is paying a top prospect or even a 1st rd pick for Strome needing a raise and longterm commitment at 29 years old this offseason. Plus he won’t be with Panarin on his flank, and he likely doesn’t find him on his new teams 1PP unit playing along side 4 studs.

there are more reasons, but you get the gist. I don’t feel like typing anymore.
Unless we go on a 10 game losing streak or something, not only is this rangers team not trading/subtracting any players for this years playoff run, they will more then likely add a mercenary or 2 Maybe even 3 to sure up the RW situation and maybe a cheap vet D as well.

some names that nyr looking to add at the TDL before. Lehkonen/ Boyd/ Jarnkrok/ Donskoi/ Tofolli? / Pavelski?/ Connor Brown?/etc more 2nd tier guys on short terms that are relatively cheap.
I highly doubt Drury goes big game hunting until the offseason/Draft
These are the type of guys hell target this year that won’t cost us our 1st rd pick, Chytil/Lundkvist/Jones/Robertson/ kravtsov type assets.

Toffoli would def get a 1st or one of the name mentionned above. Habs won't trade him with 2 years left fkr anything less

 

[jay from jersey]

Toffoli would def get a 1st or one of the name mentionned above. Habs won't trade him with 2 years left fkr anything less

Possible, don’t even know if NYR is interested. I think Lehkonen is more their target.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

Trade Strome for picks. Then acquire Monahan from the Flames.

Neither is a better option.

 

[Overrateprospects]

Chytil and LaF reversed. Stop w win now. Give teenager LaF this year + off season to develop high end NHL legs and that line will be a terror.

As noted, while not scoring much I see opposition scoring less.

Opposition scoring less because of the favorable matchups. What are you talking about win now mode? The organization is in that window but that doesn’t mean I am trading Chytil if that’s what you think. Laf needs confidence which he looked better as of late. He also needs to get stronger on the puck .

Strome will get a contract fans will be concerned about because of the cap but Buch trade happened to allow the Rangers to keep him if they feel they couldn’t upgrade outside of the organization. Kravstov won’t be 2C and unfortunately doesn’t want any part of Rangers despite Buch trade opening up a top 9 role for him.

 

[FoxysExpensiveNYDigs]

While we would all like to see more goals scored now instead of waiting for LaF to mature,
the fact remains they ARE DOMINANT vs opposiition to extent they control play more than not and are giving up even less

your link admits it is based on scoring, not net production

Currently they are rocking a 50.9% Corsi. Not exactly dominating.

 

[bernmeister]

You don’t sell off.
1. He’s not bringing back some high end return. The offers for him over the last 2 seasons have been underwhelming. I suspect that’s why he’s still a ranger. Drury and Gorton both likely figure If the most they are going to get for him is a 2nd/3rd and a meh prospect they figure just self rent him.
2. Rangers are top 5 in the league in terms of points. At this point, they’d have to really screw themselves to miss the playoffs.
Making the playoffs is important this season. It’s important for the culture, the kids, shesty, etc. getting playoff experience with such a young core is invaluable, especially down the line.
3. If he was dealt now or before deadline, Whatever the Strome Return is, it’s 99.9% Surely not as likely to help the rangers this season, or even in the immediate ( next 2 years or so) future.
4. You’ll kill the morale of the team/lockeroom for no reason. Even though most of us wouldn’t extend strome, panarin does enjoy playing with him. He’s also well liked in the room and a big reason why we’re where we are in the standing currently.
At 28, he’s also 1 of the older vets that some kids might look to for leadership qualities.
5. Even though Nyr isn’t a favorite to win the cup, as a GM, you don’t cut your teams knees out like that by subtracting a current top 6 player, and inverting no replacement.
Anything can happen in the playoffs. Gallant took the freaking knights to the finals in their first year of existence. If shesty gets hot and steals some games, and Zibby/Kreider/Panarin/Fox/Strome/Trouba are all playing around the top of their games, the rangers are immensely talented.
Removing your best wingers Center he’s played with for the past 3 years, including this current season is not smart. Replacing him with what?

Moving strome at this juncture is just something that not going to happen.
The only way he’s dealt is if Drury gets an offer that’s too good to be true. there might be about a 1% of actually happening, probably less.
Who is paying a top prospect or even a 1st rd pick for Strome needing a raise and longterm commitment at 29 years old this offseason. Plus he won’t be with Panarin on his flank, and he likely doesn’t find him on his new teams 1PP unit playing along side 4 studs.

there are more reasons, but you get the gist. I don’t feel like typing anymore.
Unless we go on a 10 game losing streak or something, not only is this rangers team not trading/subtracting any players for this years playoff run, they will more then likely add a mercenary or 2 Maybe even 3 to sure up the RW situation and maybe a cheap vet D as well.

some names that nyr looking to add at the TDL before. Lehkonen/ Boyd/ Jarnkrok/ Donskoi/ Tofolli? / Pavelski?/ Connor Brown?/etc more 2nd tier guys on short terms that are relatively cheap.
I highly doubt Drury goes big game hunting until the offseason/Draft
These are the type of guys hell target this year that won’t cost us our 1st rd pick, Chytil/Lundkvist/Jones/Robertson/ kravtsov type assets.

Doesn't have to be grand slam 680 ft out of the park HR return
If retained and he gets something comparable to Zuc, w'w'o conditions, that's fine.

NY can retain full half and be smart, take delayed gratification here.
A 3rd this yr and a 2nd next season and the following one
for
Strome + 2022 4th

should be saleable to a club looking for a boost.

Then, you can hold those picks, or use to add to upcoming draft to move up.

So without any basis to go the other way, sell high now,

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I am opposed to Drury going in direction of your last para.
Our youth will be fine if we give them enuf mins.

One or 2 excess guys moved, ok, but again,
controlling the cap and not letting it control us
smartest thing here is deal vets and not cannibalize youth
THAT will extend our depth and window longer than dealing youth for vets

 

[bernmeister]

Opposition scoring less because of the favorable matchups. What are you talking about win now mode? The organization is in that window but that doesn’t mean I am trading Chytil if that’s what you think. Laf needs confidence which he looked better as of late. He also needs to get stronger on the puck .

Strome will get a contract fans will be concerned about because of the cap but Buch trade happened to allow the Rangers to keep him if they feel they couldn’t upgrade outside of the organization. Kravstov won’t be 2C and unfortunately doesn’t want any part of Rangers despite Buch trade opening up a top 9 role for him.

1. LaF confidence ok. Skating, like I've said, will help w/not being moved off the puck. That is not snap the fingers. That is conditioning and development and should be 111% this time next season.

2 Sure Krav will be happy to exit Drury's abuse, but short term obv has incentive to play w/max effort. Obv if they continue to give him lower level linemates, it is a prob. If they learn from this mistake and NYR bends, buckles and breaks and gives him meaningful top mins w/top linemates, optimal results will come a lot faster.
A spot may have been created by moving Buch, who we could not afford, but failure to move Strome/Hajek has resulted in the current morass b'c there obviously was not a roster spot for him w'o losing somebody.

They should have tried him at pivot.
I get the feeling later in his career we will see that, wherever that should be.

 

[GIN ANTONIC]

He's getting at least $6m AAV... or least he should based on the market and what GM's do in the offseason. The only questions are a) How much more than $6 AAV? and b) is it 5, 6, or 7 years?

If he doesn't get that then he should fire his agent. Don't see any conceivable way the Rangers can re-sign him.

Panarin - $10m
Fox - $9.5m
Trouba - $8m
Zib - $8.5m
Kreider - $6.5m
Igor - $5.6m

And then guys like Lindgren, Goodrow, Nemeth, Chytil, Georgiev (RFA) all make decent coin. You can't fit in another $6m + player especially when Kakko and Laf are gonna need raises in the year and the year after.

 

[Heckler81]

His contract demands just went higher.

 

[IDvsEGO]

He may get it and Gorton’s inability to lock him up 2 years ago is hurting the team now. Also him drafting Lias and Chytil who are both busts over taking Suzuki,Villardi, or Necas. Rangers have little leverage and need a 2C.

Lias absolutely over suzuki/villardi/necas. 100% mistake.
Chytil was drafted at 21, all 3 were off the board by 13. Thomas at 20 is another player i'd have loved to have right now.

 

[tomobson]

Strome has demonstrated sufficiently in breadman's absence he can work independently.

He is what he is, good, but a flawed game, but still productive
Good value at the right #
BUT THERE IS ZERO NUMBER WE CAN AFFORD

sell high NOW

There is no selling high with Strome. The only team that has expressed any interest in Strome has been Ottawa. Strome will probably get his ass kicked in the playoffs, and this is why playoff teams aren't interested in him, but I'm fine with that. If Strome isn't going to bring much back then you keep him for the playoff push. You don't risk messing with a locker room for a second round pick.

 

[bernmeister]

There is no selling high with Strome. The only team that has expressed any interest in Strome has been Ottawa. Strome will probably get his ass kicked in the playoffs, and this is why playoff teams aren't interested in him, but I'm fine with that. If Strome isn't going to bring much back then you keep him for the playoff push. You don't risk messing with a locker room for a second round pick.

disagree w/yr premise
locker room is not so fragile if the Martians kidnapped this guy team would fall apart

and we have not recovered yet from all the wasted giveaway of assets caused by foolish indulgences [Clowe, E Staal, etc] that we are so cavalier to not get value back.
Which I think is more than a 2nd, btw

And again, cap REALITY
we can NOT afford him
PERIOD

 

[n8]

Strome isn't getting traded. He's a self rental. I hope we can resign him but the numbers aren't looking good.
Gallant needs to keep Strome with Laf
Put Panarin with Chytil.

 

[LiveLongandProspal]

Strome isn't getting traded. He's a self rental. I hope we can resign him but the numbers aren't looking good.
Gallant needs to keep Strome with Laf
Put Panarin with Chytil.

Chytil isn't a C...or at least he shouldn't be.

 

[bernmeister]

Strome isn't getting traded. He's a self rental. I hope we can resign him but the numbers aren't looking good.
Gallant needs to keep Strome with Laf
Put Panarin with Chytil.

self rental is short sighted folly.
we have guys who can step in
DO IT

and #s do not merely not look good
THEY ARE NON EXISTENT

 

[Pure Slaughter Value]

self rental is short sighted folly.
we have guys who can step in
DO IT

and #s do not merely not look good
THEY ARE NON EXISTENT

Who can step in and be a #2 for a team with playoff aspirations who can also shoulder the load if a #1 center goes down? Chytil looks terrible at center and Barron's played what, five games in the NHL total?

I mean, go for it but teams will be licking their chops knowing they just have to worry about one center on the Rangers. Gives them more time to try to shut down Panarin and try (if it's possible) to slow down Fox.

 

[noupf]

So if you are Ryan Strome, what do you do.....WHAT DO YOU DO ??

Its simply going to come down to what he feels is more important. I've said it for a while now, he's going to get $6m+.....the question is, from who and for how long.

If you feel like you've finally found a home in NY, your game has finally materialized and you want to be part of the future ( which clearly appears to be trending in the right direction for the NYR's ), i'd think that the player tries to work something out that is fair for both parties ( the home town discount ). Otherwise, you roll the dice and leave ( or get traded bc you couldn't ink a deal ), praying to god that you can make it work someplace else, in order to land your pay day....... and hope to god its on a competitive team who has a chance for a cup ( I'm thinking Kevin Hayes sort of example here. He must love that philly deal right now.....got his money and is now playing for a dog shit team ).

If I'm Ryan Strome and the Rangers offer me $6m for 5 years, i jump all over it to stay. The guy could likely land a couple one year deals in the lower 1-2M range to close out his career if things go well.

The cap is going up $1.0m next year and the year after.......and then there's going to be a huge jump in the salary cap in year 3 ( probably another $4-5+ million, stated by some reports ).......can they sign Strome and get to that year 3 without being screwed? IDK

 

[n8]

self rental is short sighted folly.
we have guys who can step in
DO IT

and #s do not merely not look good
THEY ARE NON EXISTENT

you can have that opinion but it won't change reality. Accept that Drury will not trade Strome. We just landed #1 in the NHL. Drury is gonna make a run which means we are more likely to purge assets instead of acquire them.
Also, not sure who can step in for Strome. Chytil hasn't had a chance but I would not hedge my bets there. IF Gallant can play Chytil with Panarin when he gets back AND Chytil activates his Saiyan mode, THEN you can start entertaining trading Strome but that guy just makes everyone he plays with better. That is a player you want to keep. AT LEAST have the contract discussions first before you throw the baby out with the bath water.

 

[BPD]

There is no selling high with Strome. The only team that has expressed any interest in Strome has been Ottawa. Strome will probably get his ass kicked in the playoffs, and this is why playoff teams aren't interested in him, but I'm fine with that. If Strome isn't going to bring much back then you keep him for the playoff push. You don't risk messing with a locker room for a second round pick.

More to the point, why is a top 5 team in the NHL with crazy deep futures to spare and actual current cap space move their 2c in a season where they could legitimately do damage in the playoffs? To fix an issue that doesn't impact THIS playoff run? It's just insane. You aren't getting a better Strome for trading Strome, so why bother?

Strome can stay here at a specific price and keep winning, keep putting up numbers, stay put in NYC - or he can go to whatever team has the cap to pay him what he's really worth and get back to losing. But that's a problem for offseason Strome - and given a lot of his language in the past about hating being traded every two seasons and having found a home here, he just might do what RNH did with the Oilers.

 

[Thordic]

Someone can correct me if I'm wrong but hasn't he been rather inconsistent throughout his entire career other than whenever he's had Panarin on his wing?

If that's the case, buyer beware?

Mostly. To be fair to Strome, he's played pretty well when Panarin has been out of the lineup. Lots of holes in his game though.