Value of: Ryan Sproul to EDM

[Homesick]

Like Kessel was going to get 50 with Crosby . It easy to say this but not as easier to do . As for Motor being an AHL D that doesn't matter . Would you trade bear for a NHL forward that has big ? marks ? I know I wouldn't

Ethan Bear for a 22 year old top 5 pick with question marks? Damn right I would! Bear is a 19 year old former 5th round Jr. player with big question marks I don't care what he did last season in JUNIOR

 

[McSuper]

Are you insinuating that Yakupov being a former 1st overall pick is lowering his value due to the height of disappointment? If so, that is a very poor way to evaluate ability and potential impact of a Yakupov acquisition.

Yakupov would thrive with a veteran centre. He did with Roy and Roy was on waivers that season.

Anaheim is weak in the winger department. Buying low on Yakupov would be a shrewd move for a team like Anaheim who is in "win now" mode. Yakupov is an NHL player who would benefit from a change of scenery and especially to a veteran team.

Buying low on Yak ? Montour is not buying low on Yak . It is overpayment . Stating Montour is an AHL D doesn't help the argument . Does Puljujarvi have lower value then Yak because you are using the NHL vs AHL argument therefore AHL must have more value then JR player .

I guess Puljujarvi ++ for Montour as the player in the highly league has more value . We both know as well as everyone else in this thread that the value of a player isn't base on the league they play in useless there are other factor .
The Ducks are deep at D if we had Montour I bet he would have been our best RHD last year in the NHL .

The Ducks >>>> Then the Oilers when it comes to developing prospects . To me this statement makes the Ducks players /prospects worth more

 

[Homesick]

Buying low on Yak ? Montour is not buying low on Yak . It is overpayment . Stating Montour is an AHL D doesn't help the argument . Does Puljujarvi have lower value then Yak because you are using the NHL vs AHL argument therefore AHL must have more value then JR player .

I guess Puljujarvi ++ for Montour as the player in the highly league has more value . We both know as well as everyone else in this thread that the value of a player isn't base on the league they play in useless there are other factor .
The Ducks are deep at D if we had Montour I bet he would have been our best RHD last year in the NHL .

The Ducks >>>> Then the Oilers when it comes to developing prospects . To me this statement makes the Ducks players /prospects worth more

Thats not saying much since you're comparing Montour to Fayne who was also an AHL'er for a stint last year

 

[McSuper]

Ethan Bear for a 22 year old top 5 pick with question marks? Damn right I would! Bear is a 19 year old former 5th round Jr. player with big question marks I don't care what he did last season in JUNIOR

So you would trade Bear for a borderline NHL forward ? Yakupov would not be in the NHL on some teams . You would trade Bear for Brett Connolly ? I know I wouldn't . Brett Connolly Was pick 6th and where a player was drafted does not matter 3 or 4 years down the road .

 

[Fourier]

Buying low on Yak ? Montour is not buying low on Yak . It is overpayment . Stating Montour is an AHL D doesn't help the argument . Does Puljujarvi have lower value then Yak because you are using the NHL vs AHL argument therefore AHL must have more value then JR player .

I guess Puljujarvi ++ for Montour as the player in the highly league has more value . We both know as well as everyone else in this thread that the value of a player isn't base on the league they play in useless there are other factor .
The Ducks are deep at D if we had Montour I bet he would have been our best RHD last year in the NHL .

The Ducks >>>> Then the Oilers when it comes to developing prospects . To me this statement makes the Ducks players /prospects worth more

Montour is a small offensively talented defenseman. I have not followed him for a couple of years but he played in my backyard and at the time the big question mark on him is whether he could handle the defensive responsibilities and the physical aspects of playing at a higher level. My guess is that we still don't know the answer to these questions so what he ends up being at the NHL level is still to be determined. That said, it is very unlikely that he is ready for anything more than a third pairing role right now at best.

He's played about 100 games at a level above the USHL so regardless of whether or not trading him for Yak makes sense for either side penciling him in for a big role at the NHL level is definitely premature.

 

[McSuper]

Thats not saying much since you're comparing Montour to Fayne who was also an AHL'er for a stint last year

Not comparing Montour to anyone as we have no one to compare him to . Saying he would be our best RHD last year isn't a comparison .

Here I will make a comparison


Brett Connolly = Nail Yakupov .

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

Hope Sproul has an awesome training camp and makes the team, Still think he has tons of potential. Would rather see Sproul on the team then Ouellet he could be our Zidlicky at least on our bottom pairing.

 

[McSuper]

Montour is a small offensively talented defenseman. I have not followed him for a couple of years but he played in my backyard and at the time the big question mark on him is whether he could handle the defensive responsibilities and the physical aspects of playing at a higher level. My guess is that we still don't know the answer to these questions so what he ends up being at the NHL level is still to be determined. That said, it is very unlikely that he is ready for anything more than a third pairing role right now at best.

He's played about 100 games at a level above the USHL so regardless of whether or not trading him for Yak makes sense for either side penciling him in for a big role at the NHL level is definitely premature.

Read all my post . The Ducks are developing him right . We should be doing the same with Nurse but we are not deep enough . Point is the Ducks are not trading him for Yakupov . Yakupov is not a need for them and the argument was that Montour has more value then Yakupov . The Ducks would not make the trade .

Lets also get this straight . I don't want to trade Yakupov at all . I think he is going to have a break out season playing with a good C . Just because I don't want to trade a player and see him as a player that could become very good means nothing . Value in a vacuum would have most NHL fans choosing Montour over Yakupov . Yakupov play to date is what makes others pick Montour . Arguing it does nothing . Do a poll . I don't base value on where a player was drafted or which team I cheer for . While I agree with Ducks fans on their comments I also agree with Oilers fans who wants to keep Yakupov .

The Oiler I wanted traded was traded . I true believe Hall was a dressing room problem . I just think he had his little group and if you did not fit in it you were isolated .

 

[BinCookin]

Sproul is going to get waived.... who cares.
He is not an NHL player, nor will he ever be.
I would accept a Trade for pretty much any pick.

 

[Marky9er]

I wouldn't trade Sproul(+) for Yakupov. But if the Wings were to trade Tatar/Nyquist+ for a D upgrade I'd trade Smith and a conditional pick(if he walked UFA) for Yakupov. Would give Detroit a little bit of cap relief at least.

Detroit has too many forwards and cap committed to do add without subtracting.

 

[bernmeister]

NO, Montour will have to be protected because he will be 22 with two pro years. This is still a thread about Sproul though and I would not trade Yakupov for him at this point.

Gagline disagrees
Ruling please?

 

[belair]

Read all my post . The Ducks are developing him right . We should be doing the same with Nurse but we are not deep enough . Point is the Ducks are not trading him for Yakupov . Yakupov is not a need for them and the argument was that Montour has more value then Yakupov . The Ducks would not make the trade.

Developing him right? He's been in their organization for one season. He scored lots of points in that one season. So that equates to their organization developing him properly?

Gagline disagrees
Ruling please?

He doesn't have to be protected.

He's only entering his second ELC year.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

Sproul is going to get waived.... who cares.
He is not an NHL player, nor will he ever be.
I would accept a Trade for pretty much any pick.

Holland should ask for a 2018 7th round pick either from Edmonton or Toronto for Ryan Sproul. I bet he would get it.

It's better then putting him on waivers and losing him for nothing. I bet either Toronto or Edmonton would claim him rather easily don't see either Sproul or Ouellet clearing waivers. Just Jensen maybe Frk as well.

 

[belair]

Holland should ask for a 2018 7th round pick either from Edmonton or Toronto for Ryan Sproul. I bet he would get it.

It's better then putting him on waivers and losing him for nothing. I bet either Toronto or Edmonton would claim him rather easily don't see either Sproul or Ouellet clearing waivers. Just Jensen maybe Frk as well.

If he doesn't make the team outright, I could see a Sproul for former OKC Baron deal. Todd Nelson knows a lot about the guys in the system in Edmonton.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

If he doesn't make the team outright, I could see a Sproul for former OKC Baron deal. Todd Nelson knows a lot about the guys in the system in Edmonton.

Right that could be quite possible, I think Sproul on the bottom pairing in Edmonton would be be very solid for them.

 

[Fourier]

Gagline disagrees
Ruling please?

Belair is correct. I must have had a total brain cramp!

 

[bernmeister]

Belair is correct. I must have had a total brain cramp!

thank you

 

[Canuck Luck]

Montour is a small offensively talented defenseman. I have not followed him for a couple of years but he played in my backyard and at the time the big question mark on him is whether he could handle the defensive responsibilities and the physical aspects of playing at a higher level. My guess is that we still don't know the answer to these questions so what he ends up being at the NHL level is still to be determined. That said, it is very unlikely that he is ready for anything more than a third pairing role right now at best.

He's played about 100 games at a level above the USHL so regardless of whether or not trading him for Yak makes sense for either side penciling him in for a big role at the NHL level is definitely premature.

Small? Maybe back then but he's pretty average sized for a pro. 6'0 192 is just below the average for a d-man which is 6'1 209lbs.

 

[Bryanbryoil]

If he doesn't make the team outright, I could see a Sproul for former OKC Baron deal. Todd Nelson knows a lot about the guys in the system in Edmonton.

Nelson is a big time Anton Lander fan, and Anton played BY FAR his best hockey under Nelson at the AHL and NHL levels.

 

[snipes]

Still curious about Sproul. Could be a decent RHD depth option for us.

With Todd Nelson coaching the AHL squad, he has familiarity with some of our guys. I wonder if there is someone they might be interested in?

AHLer for AHLer swap.

 

[drw02]

I'd hope Holland would at least try to trade Sproul and recoup a mid-late round pick before putting him on waivers if it indeed came to that. Someone might bite if they were further down on the waiver priority list and didn't think they'd be able to snag him. Sucks cause he does have some solid potential, but this is the price you pay when you develop good prospect depth but never give any of them a legit chance to earn a roster spot because you can't help yourself handing out terrible contracts.

 

[snipes]

I'd hope Holland would at least try to trade Sproul and recoup a mid-late round pick before putting him on waivers if it indeed came to that. Someone might bite if they were further down on the waiver priority list and didn't think they'd be able to snag him. Sucks cause he does have some solid potential, but this is the price you pay when you develop good prospect depth but never give any of them a legit chance to earn a roster spot because you can't help yourself handing out terrible contracts.

What do you think the chances are he ends up on waivers?

 

[SupremeTeam16]

It is a very solid core piece at min.
Montour is RD, ELC, expansion exempt, and highly ranked.
Not, say like a Hanifin. But still, very highly ranked.

this is as against Yakupov who supposedly could not command a 3rd this draft

I like Montour and I would hope Chia is keeping tabs on his situation but at the same time Justin Schultz tore it up in college and the AHL too. Great numbers at lower levels doesn't always translate to great numbers in the bigs.

That being said I think Montour is a good bet to become a real useful player. If I had to choose between him and Sproul it'd be Montour for sure.

 

[Tatar Shots]

What do you think the chances are he ends up on waivers?

With 2 players already starting the year on IR, Sproul would probably have to have a bad camp to get waived.

 

[snipes]

With 2 players already starting the year on IR Sproul, would probably have to have a bad camp to get waived.

Makes sense. Seems like a bubble guy right now.

Definitely interested, if he's looking like waivers down the road, I would think EDM would at least give you something in return rather than putting him on waivers.