Value of: Ryan Sproul to EDM

[tony d]

Yak has busted a little but I think he still commands more than Sproul if traded.

 

[ManofSteel55]

First of all, if you really want Sproul, you could probably take him from waivers at the start of the season - I believe XO would be the one who sits at pressbox all year. And we don't need or can take Yakupov now that Datsyuk left. I believe there is no deal to be done between Wings and Oilers.

Yep, I'd do that one.

If it comes down to him having to go through waivers, I would put David Musil on waivers, wait until he clears, and then offer him (and a mid round pick) for Sproule. At least that way the Wings have an AHL defender out of the deal, and one who could be a depth NHL'er if he improves his foot speed. Better than losing him for nothing.

 

[LTIR]

Sproul will be available on waivers soon enough.. Yak hold way more value.. Lander or Musil would be equal value IMO..

 

[bernmeister]

By who?

He's not going to be traded for a waiver eligible defenseman. How is that overrating?

Asked....

Along with every other Oiler fan but there no chance in hell Yak returns Montour . We had this debate before the cost of defence men and you thought I was out to lunch and then we now have the Hall trade to judge the cost . No one gives up high end D or potential high end ones unless they are convinced with an overpayment .

answer part 1....

See above . Most fans base consider Yak a bust . I really think he will break out now that Hall is gone . I just think Hall was a leader of a little group of young guys and Yak was isolated because he doesn't party . I would not trade Yak right now his value is to low . If anything play him with McD pump and dump but only if he still wants a trade

answer part 2....

Montour is an AHL defenceman.
Yakupov, with all his flaws, is an NHL forward.

Yakupov still has strong upside, he needs to be put in a good position to succeed. If he was on the left wing with Getzlaf and Perry for a full season he should be good for 30.

disingenuous comparison
Montour is not run of the mill AHLer
he is a high end prospect

the benchmark for bust here is not NHL status but fact he was a 1OA

may still be some upside
but let's not blow it out of proportion

99 percent of Fs would benefit from a Getz-Per connect, so that is not unique to Yak and can't really apply as a barometer for him uniquely

 

[Blitzago*]

this^...


supercedes this ^.



Yak overrated.



generally very true

Im surprised you haven't drawn up a proposal in this thread with Stepan in it, good job.

And oiler's dont do this trade.

 

[bernmeister]

Im surprised you haven't drawn up a proposal in this thread with Stepan in it, good job.

And oiler's dont do this trade.

I take care not to hijack
If there was a legit connection to thread topic, or post thereto, it would be appropriate.
not the case here. .......





....... not yet, anyway

 

[Connor]

disingenuous comparison
Montour is not run of the mill AHLer
he is a high end prospect

the benchmark for bust here is not NHL status but fact he was a 1OA

may still be some upside
but let's not blow it out of proportion

99 percent of Fs would benefit from a Getz-Per connect, so that is not unique to Yak and can't really apply as a barometer for him uniquely

Are you insinuating that Yakupov being a former 1st overall pick is lowering his value due to the height of disappointment? If so, that is a very poor way to evaluate ability and potential impact of a Yakupov acquisition.

Yakupov would thrive with a veteran centre. He did with Roy and Roy was on waivers that season.

Anaheim is weak in the winger department. Buying low on Yakupov would be a shrewd move for a team like Anaheim who is in "win now" mode. Yakupov is an NHL player who would benefit from a change of scenery and especially to a veteran team.

 

[bernmeister]

Are you insinuating that Yakupov being a former 1st overall pick is lowering his value due to the height of disappointment? If so, that is a very poor way to evaluate ability and potential impact of a Yakupov acquisition.

Yakupov would thrive with a veteran centre. He did with Roy and Roy was on waivers that season.

Anaheim is weak in the winger department. Buying low on Yakupov would be a shrewd move for a team like Anaheim who is in "win now" mode. Yakupov is an NHL player who would benefit from a change of scenery and especially to a veteran team.

Not insinuating anything.
Saying it bluntly, clearly, straightforwardly.
Yak is a bust in that a 1OA was used on him, he has not performed to that level, and would not return anything near 1OA.

Not saying
he is useless/change of scenery would not help
he does have some value, some to more teams than others
notice however, you acknowledge the "buy low" attribute, that he does not COMMAND a high return.

 

[Connor]

Not insinuating anything.
Saying it bluntly, clearly, straightforwardly.
Yak is a bust in that a 1OA was used on him, he has not performed to that level, and would not return anything near 1OA.

Not saying
he is useless/change of scenery would not help
he does have some value, some to more teams than others
notice however, you acknowledge the "buy low" attribute, that he does not COMMAND a high return.

Montour is not a high return.

 

[Mister Ed]

When Holland makes a trade for a top4 D, I would do Sproul + Jurco + 5th for Yakupov.

Not sure if the value would be there or not, but with Nyquist or Tatar being traded for a D, Yakupov would slot in the middle 6 nicely. I think Mantha will start in Grand Rapids and will come up after 10-15 games, so I'm not sure it would be a fit, but hey, the summer is long and I like discussing anything!

 

[bernmeister]

Montour is not a high return.

It is a very solid core piece at min.
Montour is RD, ELC, expansion exempt, and highly ranked.
Not, say like a Hanifin. But still, very highly ranked.

this is as against Yakupov who supposedly could not command a 3rd this draft

 

[DasKaiser]

The oil can probably grab him off waivers this year, IIRC he along with Ouellet and Jensen are waiver eligible this season and with Kronwall, Ericsson, Green, Dekeyser, Marchenko, and Smith all signed Sproul is likely gonna be one of the 2 exposed to waivers.

If that is the case, it would be in the wings best interest to work a trade. Could be had for less, other than losing him for nothing.

 

[Tatar Shots]

Holland won't waive Sproul. His value isn't as low as some are stating. He refused to give him up in trades the past 2 years. Don't see why he would turn around and waive him now.

 

[belair]

Holland won't waive Sproul. His value isn't as low as some are stating. He refused to give him up in trades the past 2 years. Don't see why he would turn around and waive him now.

Because this is his first year of waiver eligibility and you can only have so many people on your roster.

From what I've read him, XO and Marchenko are battling for two spots unless they waive a mainstay on the defense.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

Yak has busted a little but I think he still commands more than Sproul if traded.

Well yeah obviously Yak still has more value then Sproul. Detroit would still need to add at least a pick or a semi decent prospect as well.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

Holland won't waive Sproul. His value isn't as low as some are stating. He refused to give him up in trades the past 2 years. Don't see why he would turn around and waive him now.

What choices does Holland have, He has about 3 choices with either Sproul or Ouellet. 1 trade them for picks 2 keep either one on the roster as a possible #7 D-man or 3 put them on waivers that's pretty much the only alternatives here that Holland has.

 

[Tatar Shots]

Because this is his first year of waiver eligibility and you can only have so many people on your roster.

From what I've read him, XO and Marchenko are battling for two spots unless they waive a mainstay on the defense.

So you don't think Holland has had the foresight to see this coming the past two years when it has been pretty well documented that he has refused to include Sproul in trades at the deadline?

What choices does Holland have, He has about 3 choices with either Sproul or Ouellet. 1 trade them for picks 2 keep either one on the roster as a possible #7 D-man or 3 put them on waivers that's pretty much the only alternatives here that Holland has.

Keep 8 D on the roster. Kronwall and Ericsson are going to continue to keep battling injury problems for the rest of their careers.

 

[ManofSteel55]

It is a very solid core piece at min.
Montour is RD, ELC, expansion exempt, and highly ranked.
Not, say like a Hanifin. But still, very highly ranked.

this is as against Yakupov who supposedly could not command a 3rd this draft

You're making this up. One guy said he suspected that Yak's value was a 3rd. Not that the Oilers were looking for a 3rd. Even if true, there are no reports that have said that the Oilers couldn't get a 3rd round pick at the draft. In fact, the guy who reported that his value MIGHT have been a 3rd also stated that he was sure Edmonton wouldn't trade him for that.

Twisting media stories causes you to lose credibility.

 

[bernmeister]

You're making this up. One guy said he suspected that Yak's value was a 3rd. Not that the Oilers were looking for a 3rd. Even if true, there are no reports that have said that the Oilers couldn't get a 3rd round pick at the draft. In fact, the guy who reported that his value MIGHT have been a 3rd also stated that he was sure Edmonton wouldn't trade him for that.

Twisting media stories causes you to lose credibility.

TAKING YOUR WORD FOR IT, recalling My Cousin Vinny
"are you SURE Ms. De Vi to?"

As to that third at the draft, I stand corrected if you are sure.
I heard what was reported no inside link there.

 

[Homesick]

Montour is an AHL defenceman.

Yakupov, with all his flaws, is an NHL forward.

Yakupov still has strong upside, he needs to be put in a good position to succeed. If he was on the left wing with Getzlaf and Perry for a full season he should be good for 30.

I believe Montour will have two professional season so will have to be protected in the expansion draft

 

[bernmeister]

I believe Montour will have two professional season so will have to be protected in the expansion draft

maybe right, but - not sure - think that depends on how many games he plays/suits up for

 

[belair]

So you don't think Holland has had the foresight to see this coming the past two years when it has been pretty well documented that he has refused to include Sproul in trades at the deadline?

Only on HFBoards is the ask in trade proposals a commonly known fact...

I would assume a good general manager has more than 13 forwards and 7 defensemen capable of earning a spot on the roster at training camp ever year. His goal is to ice a competitive hockey team, not protect his borderline prospects.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

So you don't think Holland has had the foresight to see this coming the past two years when it has been pretty well documented that he has refused to include Sproul in trades at the deadline?



Keep 8 D on the roster. Kronwall and Ericsson are going to continue to keep battling injury problems for the rest of their careers.

I'd be fine going with 8 D that's leaves us thin up top with only 13 F instead of 14 F in case of injuries. I would rather see Sproul on the team then Ouellet at least he brings some offense to the table.

 

[Tatar Shots]

Only on HFBoards is the ask in trade proposals a commonly known fact...

I would assume a good general manager has more than 13 forwards and 7 defensemen capable of earning a spot on the roster at training camp ever year. His goal is to ice a competitive hockey team, not protect his borderline prospects.

For two years now the Wings top two beat writers have both flat out stated that Holland refused to include Sproul in trades. Unless you think that the front office has been lying to them?

 

[McSuper]

Montour is an AHL defenceman.

Yakupov, with all his flaws, is an NHL forward.

Yakupov still has strong upside, he needs to be put in a good position to succeed. If he was on the left wing with Getzlaf and Perry for a full season he should be good for 30.

Like Kessel was going to get 50 with Crosby . It easy to say this but not as easier to do . As for Motor being an AHL D that doesn't matter . Would you trade bear for a NHL forward that has big ? marks ? I know I wouldn't