Value of: Ryan Pulock

[SI]

If Ryan Pulock, age 30, RHD, (5 years @ 6.15 AAV) were available via trade this summer,

1. What teams would be interested?
2. What would the expected return be?
3. If it were a hockey trade, for whom?

Also, if he were a UFA, what would his contract look like as a 30-year-old RHD - will be 31 in October.

DeMelo at 31 signed a 4 year 4.9 AAV
Pettersson at 29 signed 6 year 5.5 AAV

 

[The Great Weal]

Habs would definitely be interested but not sure what the Isles would want in return.

 

[majormajor]

The Blue Jackets are short on RD if they move Severson (as expected), or if they fail to extend Fabbro (inexplicable).

Analytically Severson had a better year than Pulock (who had a not good year), but Evason does not want him, so I wonder if a swap might be in order. Give the coach a harder defender he'll be inclined to use, even if you give up a lot in puck movement ability. Pulock has five years left and Severson has six years left.

Adam Pelech is the guy that the Jackets could really use, even though he's LD. We need a higher end shutdown guy. So if the Isles are thinking "let's move out a long term contract at D and get some good futures back", he's a guy we can make a deal around. Or maybe you put the two proposals together and do Pelech + Pulock for Severson + 1sts / prospects / young players.

 

[miscs75]

The Blue Jackets are short on RD if they move Severson (as expected), or if they fail to extend Fabbro (inexplicable).

Analytically Severson had a better year than Pulock (who had a not good year), but Evason does not want him, so I wonder if a swap might be in order. Give the coach a harder defender he'll be inclined to use, even if you give up a lot in puck movement ability. Pulock has five years left and Severson has six years left.

Adam Pelech is the guy that the Jackets could really use, even though he's LD. We need a higher end shutdown guy. So if the Isles are thinking "let's move out a long term contract at D and get some good futures back", he's a guy we can make a deal around. Or maybe you put the two proposals together and do Pelech + Pulock for Severson + 1sts / prospects / young players.

I wouldn’t mind moving both out together for a contract and futures. Ideally it opens up flexibility and roster turnover for the Islanders. I don’t know who Columbus has available in the form of prospects/young players outside of the future core.

 

[miscs75]

Habs would definitely be interested but not sure what the Isles would want in return.

Futures

 

[Chainshot]

Buffalo could use a veteran defensive-minded RHD for their top four.

 

[Nico Cauzuki]

Would love Pulock next to Hutson but we can only offer picks or prospects

 

[Mrfenn92]

Would love Pulock next to Hutson but we can only offer picks or prospects

Think that’s something the isles would be interested in

 

[BonMorrison]

How has he been? I've definitely seen Islanders fans complaining about him this year.

 

[Kevin27nyi]

Despite having Dobson, TDA and Mayfield already on the right, and Boqvist sticking around, I’d personally have a hard time trading Pulock. Still think he’s the best of the bunch in the playoffs by a good amount.

 

[Kevin27nyi]

How has he been? I've definitely seen Islanders fans complaining about him this year.

There’s realistic view and frustration of the season.

 

[JTToilinginToronto]

How has he been? I've definitely seen Islanders fans complaining about him this year.

He's been pretty good given reasonable expectations. It's been a frustrating year for NYI as a whole, so the fans have been taking it out on everyone.

But the Isles need more scoring prowess and Pulock is one of the more realistic ones who can be moved that can generate cap space for us.

 

[Kevin27nyi]

He's been pretty good given reasonable expectations. It's been a frustrating year for NYI as a whole, so the fans have been taking it out on everyone.

But the Isles need more scoring prowess and Pulock is one of the more realistic ones who can be moved that can generate cap space for us.

He’s also easy to move because he’s good and is a top four dman making under 7 million. Pretty rare.

 

[seabass45]

He’s also easy to move because he’s good and is a top four dman making under 7 million. Pretty rare.

He has a full NTC. He's objectively not easy to move.

 

[Kevin27nyi]

He has a full NTC. He's objectively not easy to move.

Of course if he wants to stay. But he might be open to moving.

 

[The Great Weal]

Futures

I guess it depends on the picks/prospects then.

 

[Glorydays22]

Pulock definitely has value....We all know Winnipeg was interested in him the last 2 seaasons.
Pelech, probably not..but then again. I can see if we make him available a the TDL next year teams will inquire and pay for him.
Mayfield on the other hand, I think we are stuck with him, unless Trotzs wants him in Nash.

 

[BKarchitect]

Would Isles fans say Pulock has more left to give than Pelech even though their year end stats and usage look pretty similar? I’ve considered Pulock a step above the last couple years as Pelech has struggled with concussions/fitness/general decline. But as a poster above mentioned, Pulock certainly seemed to have come in for his fair share of criticism this season.

What would worry me about either is that they’ve played a lot of hard defensive minutes over the years and while 30/31 is hardly “old”…staying healthy for 80 games has been an issue for both of them. There certainly should be a robust market for Pulock either way…veteran RHD’s who can play “hard minutes” are a commodity for sure.

 

[miscs75]

Would Isles fans say Pulock has more left to give than Pelech even though their year end stats and usage look pretty similar? I’ve considered Pulock a step above the last couple years as Pelech has struggled with concussions/fitness/general decline. But as a poster above mentioned, Pulock certainly seemed to have come in for his fair share of criticism this season.

What would worry me about either is that they’ve played a lot of hard defensive minutes over the years and while 30/31 is hardly “old”…staying healthy for 80 games has been an issue for both of them.

He overall looked better/more consistent then Pelech. If you have to compare both, Pulock is a better candidate for a bounce back to his former self then Pelech based on injury history alone. Pelech needs to figure out a way that adjust his game so he can repeat the play style that got him the deal.

 

[majormajor]

He overall looked better/more consistent then Pelech. If you have to compare both, Pulock is a better candidate for a bounce back to his former self then Pelech based on injury history alone. Pelech needs to figure out a way that adjust his game so he can repeat the play style that got him the deal.

There seems to be a consistent gap between what Isles fans say about these two and their analytic results (particular the xGs, where Pelech shined this year and Pulock fell off sharply). Why is that?

Similarly Isles fans are meh on Dobson while everyone drools over acquiring him.

When I've watched Pelech he is the rangy stopper that I want. My concern is the injury history making things worse, but I like who he is now. I'm not sure why Isles fans don't.

I wouldn’t mind moving both out together for a contract and futures. Ideally it opens up flexibility and roster turnover for the Islanders. I don’t know who Columbus has available in the form of prospects/young players outside of the future core.

I'd consider going Severson+ to get Pulock, but if roster flexibility is what the Isles really crave here, we can leave that aside.

Pelech is a guy I'm very interested in but a bit of a risky target because he could fall off harder with injuries. I think he's possibly too risky to put our best young trade chips forward for.

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This is how I'd rank the available pieces from Columbus:

Chinakhov (very high upside but is having back problems)
Luca Del Bel Belluz (top six center upside, NHL ready)
Sillinger (very young, a 3C, maybe 2C someday)

20th OA pick (it's available, though I'm assuming the Isles want closer pieces)
Daemon Hunt (solid LD, pushing NHL ready)
Stan Svozil (solid LD, maybe pushing NHL ready?)

We have a lot of prospects outperforming their draft position - Marrelli, Ashton, Henricks, etc.. Really anyone not named Cayden Lindstrom can be talked about. Or maybe even him if we're in talks about Dobson.

But for Pelech I wonder if taking on the injury risk alone is the cost of the deal. Maybe his value comes in around the 20th pick or maybe just the prospects after that.

 

[seabass45]

But as a poster above mentioned, Pulock certainly seemed to have come in for his fair share of criticism this season.

I'm not sure there's been that much criticism. Isles fans started offering Pulock in trades before his eight year extension even went into effect, mostly in the service of trying to upgrade the offense. We've gotten a fair amount of "send Pulock home to Winnipeg for Ehlers" over the last few years. So what happened? Pulock is still here, Ehlers can maybe be signed for free, and Winnipeg just gave Pionk a fairly hefty extension, it seems like they don't need RD anymore. Some teams still need help at RD and Isles still need scoring help.

 

[miscs75]

There seems to be a consistent gap between what Isles fans say about these two and their analytic results (particular the xGs, where Pelech shined this year and Pulock fell off sharply). Why is that?

Similarly Isles fans are meh on Dobson while everyone drools over acquiring him.

When I've watched Pelech he is the rangy stopper that I want. My concern is the injury history making things worse, but I like who he is now. I'm not sure why Isles fans don't.

From the eye test alone, Pulock looked better than Pelech. It could just be due to injury timing and what happened when each came back. Either way, the best decision would be to move both out (along with the contracts) and start fresh. Ideally if it’s up to me, I’d rather swing for the fences and go for Luca Del Bel Belluz and just go with the unknown in terms of NHL gameplay. For Chinakov, that back issue unless fully resolved is going to derail his career. For Sillinger, he’s more of a 3C at this point who can chip in offensively from what I saw. The issue would come down to getting them to waive for Columbus (if it’s on their NTC list) which is not usually something players do.
With Dobson I think it’s the fear that he’ll regress over bounce back since he’s an RFA currently. Personally I feel like this whole contract circus hindered his game and caused him a bit of street. Dobson did have flashes later on in the season where he really took the game over and was closer to last seasons game but something was restricting that most of the year. It could have been the recovery since his injury which caused him to not be 100% comfortable until way too late into the year.

 

[Glorydays22]

There seems to be a consistent gap between what Isles fans say about these two and their analytic results (particular the xGs, where Pelech shined this year and Pulock fell off sharply). Why is that?

Similarly Isles fans are meh on Dobson while everyone drools over acquiring him.

When I've watched Pelech he is the rangy stopper that I want. My concern is the injury history making things worse, but I like who he is now. I'm not sure why Isles fans don't.



I'd consider going Severson+ to get Pulock, but if roster flexibility is what the Isles really crave here, we can leave that aside.

Pelech is a guy I'm very interested in but a bit of a risky target because he could fall off harder with injuries. I think he's possibly too risky to put our best young trade chips forward for.

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This is how I'd rank the available pieces from Columbus:

Chinakhov (very high upside but is having back problems)
Luca Del Bel Belluz (top six center upside, NHL ready)
Sillinger (very young, a 3C, maybe 2C someday)

20th OA pick (it's available, though I'm assuming the Isles want closer pieces)
Daemon Hunt (solid LD, pushing NHL ready)
Stan Svozil (solid LD, maybe pushing NHL ready?)

We have a lot of prospects outperforming their draft position - Marrelli, Ashton, Henricks, etc.. Really anyone not named Cayden Lindstrom can be talked about. Or maybe even him if we're in talks about Dobson.

But for Pelech I wonder if taking on the injury risk alone is the cost of the deal. Maybe his value comes in around the 20th pick or maybe just the prospects after that.

For me, I would like to keep Pulock and see if he bounces back with possible a new coach/GM and changes to the roster per Lou .

But Pelech, I would definitely move for a pick and a younster.

 

[SI90]

Despite having Dobson, TDA and Mayfield already on the right, and Boqvist sticking around, I’d personally have a hard time trading Pulock. Still think he’s the best of the bunch in the playoffs by a good amount.

He’s the one I trust the most to have an impact in the playoffs. He was by far our best player in the playoffs last year. Just sucks that we’re not a playoff caliber team and need to make changes.

I’d look to move Mayfield and Pelech before I’d like Pulock

 

[Kevin27nyi]

He’s the one I trust the most to have an impact in the playoffs. He was by far our best player in the playoffs last year. Just sucks that we’re not a playoff caliber team and need to make changes.

I’d look to move Mayfield and Pelech before I’d like Pulock

Same. We’ll see what happens but I think we’re not gonna see more of the same around here.