Proposal: Ryan Miller to LA

[AlphaBravo]

You are not understanding we as canucks fans do not care if we walks for nothing.


The biggest value miller has is the full 6M off the books we have no need to move him for a cap dump. period end of discussion. we will retain 50% but beyond that it's not our problwm to fix your cap situation

That's just mismanagement of assets. Vancouver could have gotten picks for Hamhuis, but let him walk. They will be doing the same with Miller. Why not get a free pick at the trade deadline instead of nothing when you know he is not going to resign or there is no need to resign him?

As a Kings fan, I don't think any pick on our end is worth getting Miller. We are not a contender this year and its 50/50 if we will even make the playoffs. I don't see why we should give up any assets to rent him for 3 months. Doesn't make sense on our end.

However, I do think a desperate team that is a goalie away from being a real contender could give the Nucks at least a 2nd round pick. I could see a team like Dallas, for example, if they do not get Bishop.

 

[skyo]

That's just mismanagement of assets. Vancouver could have gotten picks for Hamhuis, but let him walk. They will be doing the same with Miller. Why not get a free pick at the trade deadline instead of nothing when you know he is not going to resign or there is no need to resign him?

As a Kings fan, I don't think any pick on our end is worth getting Miller. We are not a contender this year and its 50/50 if we will even make the playoffs. I don't see why we should give up any assets to rent him for 3 months. Doesn't make sense on our end.

However, I do think a desperate team that is a goalie away from being a real contender could give the Nucks at least a 2nd round pick. I could see a team like Dallas, for example, if they do not get Bishop.

I guess you don't know about the Dallas vs Vancouver ownership feud, not to mention all the Hamhuis injuries and his NTC where he basically settled on Dallas after talking about it endlessly with his significant, but by then GM Jim Nill chose Russell instead.

As for keeping Miller over getting a pick this go around it's pretty simple like a lot of teams, not just the Canucks, are in it to try to win it. *roll eyes* from some people, but as stated a billion times we have the Sedins, we got some young guys improving blah blah blah we ain't in no desperate need to shed salary or selling off pieces at this point.

Team is in better shape than the "analysts" think, Vancity is probably going to see how it all unfolds. But of course hey if a team wants to overpay to get a piece they need, JB will listen.

 

[MissionCanucksFan]

goalies don't get first so no way Hes worth a 3rd and another goalie at 50% If we can send a cap dump of greene you get a 2nd Under no condition will la send a 1st for5 a 3 months worth of goalie Your dreaming if u think ur ll get a first for him

You know? If you were to actually use some punctuation such as commas (,) and periods (.), one might have a better understanding of what the heck you are trying to say. 5 posts took me 10 minutes to interpret

 

[MissionCanucksFan]

As far as what the cost of Miller might be.

Lombardi easily coughed up a 1st to get a few months use out of Sekeres. Before that he coughed up a 1st, a backup netminder on the cusp of breaking out....and he did, along with a decent young defenseman in Colin Miller to get Lucic for one year.

Surely getting Miller to save what is going to be a long year without Quick, is worth a 1st.

 

[AlphaBravo]

As far as what the cost of Miller might be.

Lombardi easily coughed up a 1st to get a few months use out of Sekeres. Before that he coughed up a 1st, a backup netminder on the cusp of breaking out....and he did, along with a decent young defenseman in Colin Miller to get Lucic for one year.

Surely getting Miller to save what is going to be a long year without Quick, is worth a 1st.

Lombardi made those moves in the first two years after we won a cup. This year's team is not even close to as deep as our 2014 team. Also, from statements made by Lombardi over the summer, Kings fans understand that he will likely not give away first round picks for rentals anymore (at least we hope so). The Kings right now are a weak team and borderline playoff team at best. We are not deep enough for Lombardi to risk losing a 1st to get 3 months of a goalie.

 

[Rorschach]

If Vancouver retains 50%, I think we can fit Miller in without sending a cap dump (and paying the Nucks to take it). Quick's long term stay on IR should cover the 52% off of Miller's retained and pro-rated salary.

Miller at that point is around 2 mil. 1/3rd of Quick's salary is a little less than that I believe.


So we can keep the deal simple, one future pick or so for Miller 52% off pro rated.

 

[KeninsFan]

Canucks fans:

Thought the general notion from you guys was that the team isnt that good and headed for a rebuild anyway? Keep seeing posts about the nucks trying to make the playoffs. Wont they almost automatically get shellacked in the first round anyway? Tanking could be a good idea. Obviously not what is exciting as a fan but really thought the general opinion on here atleast was nucks are trending downward?

I'd rather go on a Cinderella run than tank this year.

At the end of the day keeping Miller on is a 6M expiring and forms a solid tandem with Markstrom.

There is no real upside to dealing Miller for a ~3rd right now. He's not the difference between this team tanking or finishing in the playoffs.

 

[Rorschach]

As far as what the cost of Miller might be.

Lombardi easily coughed up a 1st to get a few months use out of Sekeres. Before that he coughed up a 1st, a backup netminder on the cusp of breaking out....and he did, along with a decent young defenseman in Colin Miller to get Lucic for one year.

Surely getting Miller to save what is going to be a long year without Quick, is worth a 1st.

If you use Sekera's 2014 value as scale, a mobile top 3 defenseman coming of a 44 point season and who as a UFA signed a six year deal at 5.5 mil/year, that's fine.

Miller's value now as positionally lesser-value goaltender who is on the cusp of retirement, then we give you a 5th rounder for Miller.

Miller is not worth much. The only reason we're even talking about a 2nd or 3rd is because the 2+mil salary retention.

 

[Cogburn]

I have problem trading Miller for a shot at a cup, I have no problem retaining salary if it maximized the return, but I also have no desire to trade him for peanuts. He may have been the only force keeping us from Matthews last year, which is praise not condemnation.

 

[Skirbs1011]

That's just mismanagement of assets. Vancouver could have gotten picks for Hamhuis, but let him walk. They will be doing the same with Miller. Why not get a free pick at the trade deadline instead of nothing when you know he is not going to resign or there is no need to resign him?

As a Kings fan, I don't think any pick on our end is worth getting Miller. We are not a contender this year and its 50/50 if we will even make the playoffs. I don't see why we should give up any assets to rent him for 3 months. Doesn't make sense on our end.

However, I do think a desperate team that is a goalie away from being a real contender could give the Nucks at least a 2nd round pick. I could see a team like Dallas, for example, if they do not get Bishop.

I don't disagree with that.

but the other guy has been pushing the fact the nicks need to retain salary and take a cap dump in Greene back.

straight up pick for miller is a done deal and we can retain. the minute we are forced to take back a non expiring cap dump the deal is pointless

 

[Rorschach]

I don't disagree with that.

but the other guy has been pushing the fact the nicks need to retain salary and take a cap dump in Greene back.

straight up pick for miller is a done deal and we can retain. the minute we are forced to take back a non expiring cap dump the deal is pointless

From the Kings side I believe we don't need to send a dump over either. Between full retention, Miller's slightly pro rated salary, our current cap room and most importantly Quick's cap relief from being on LT IRL, we're not far off.

Based on ability (clearly better than Zatkoff and Budaj) and term, I like Miller best.

However I feel this is may be a pipe dream. Canucks owners aren't the ones who are fond of retention. If they were they would have dealt Luongo with retention and their current goalie would be Schneider.

 

[AlphaBravo]

I don't disagree with that.

but the other guy has been pushing the fact the nicks need to retain salary and take a cap dump in Greene back.

straight up pick for miller is a done deal and we can retain. the minute we are forced to take back a non expiring cap dump the deal is pointless

You are right. I don't see how we can justify sending a cap dump back to Vancouver with a pick. If Miller was signed long term with a high cap hit, like MAF, that's a different story.

 

[wonton15]

I don't see Canucks management dealing Miller as they're going for the playoffs.

 

[Syckle78]

You know? If you were to actually use some punctuation such as commas (,) and periods (.), one might have a better understanding of what the heck you are trying to say. 5 posts took me 10 minutes to interpret

I understood him just fine.

 

[Peter Griffin]

No chance Benning will trade Miller at this point unless LA severely overpaid, which isn't going to happen. Benning and Co. believe this team is a playoff team and so far they are proving it, so I doubt they'd be interested in moving their starter for a random draft pick at this point.