Confirmed with Link: Ryan McLeod & Ty Tullio traded to Buffalo for Matthew Savoie

[DJN21]

So is hyper-exaggerating value deltas to start a post…

We can go back and forth, I think we are probably relatively aligned on the trade, barring a pessimist/optimist articulation of it

If you don't like the way something starts don't take your ball and go home. (aka not reading the entire response before responding yourself).

You also ignored the premise of my response which was the original poster who I quoted saying it was absurd to have an issue with the trade. I showed a reason why it was absurd versus the aforementioned 4 point opinion on why anyone against it was wrong. And rather than addressing the fact of this 4 part dissection you hyper-focused on a percentage amount I threw out as a random retort.

I agree I'm not gonna sit here a debate whether Savoie has 5x-75x more value because it doesn't matter. You hyper focused on a number percentage and ignored everything else I said.

 

[Push Dr Tracksuit]

Walk back a statement?

You put words in my mouth in your first reply to try and swing an argument Then I called you out again and you come back at me with this drivel.

You are starting to crack under the weight of trying to defend this trade.

Bro I don’t even think you know what you’re talking about any more

 

[DJN21]

Let me ask the naysayers, assuming we can agree that something had to be done about Krebs at 3C. (If not, we can agree to disagree.)

Who would have been a better 3C target? At what price?

Savoie, 2nd, Krebs for Cirelli....(I'd have added more) pps (All those assets are basically gone anyways but we have 2 4th liners) pps2 (Chain is gonna tell me it takes two to tango but I'd like to think a GM who knows what he wants could get it done the way us arm chair GMs think they can lol, even if its not realistic).

 

[Chainshot]

We've got a few guys here who religiously follow every one of our prospects, not just a specific league. Chainshot has posted in this thread often -- he is the poster here who's probably seen Savoie the most. Listen to his opinion above all others.

I’m just a guy watching hockey.

Savoie was my favorite prospect of theirs right now. I think he could be an excellent top six wing for the Oilers given the talent of their centers. He does a very good job of getting pucks toward the net, scores in a variety of ways and utilizes his speed to pressure while also having modulation to allow space to come open for trailers and others on the rush.

And he is only 5’9” and I have worried that inside play at the NHL level is going to be that much harder on a guy with some shoulder issues in his recent history. *shrug*

 

[Ace]

Savoie, 2nd, Krebs for Cirelli....(I'd have added more) pps (All those assets are basically gone anyways but we have 2 4th liners) pps2 (Chain is gonna tell me it takes two to tango but I'd like to think a GM who knows what he wants could get it done the way us arm chair GMs think they can lol, even if its not realistic).

 

[DJN21]

I said what I said.

 

[TheNumber4]

I think after this trade I’m gonna adopt Buffalo as my eastern team. I’ve been thinking about it and it makes sense:

- I like Mcleod
- I have a soft spot for small market teams that have crappy UFA attractiveness (see my Oilers)
- I already hate the Leafs
- I like alot of the talent that Buffalo is stock piling
- I like underdogs
- I want to see the stale and boring playoff teams in the East be changed up
- Oh and f*** Jack Eichel. I always hate players that quit on their franchise. Yeh yeh yeh there was injury issues and circumstances surrounding that, but still f*** him.
- Oh and Tage is a beast

 

[Dubi Doo]

- I already hate the Leafs

Did we just become best friends?!

 

[TheNumber4]

Did we just become best friends?!

Lol I think so. f*** the Leafs.

 

[Panthaz89]

Maybe because teams don't regularly trade their top prospect for a bottom 6 player. Other teams usually hang up the phone.

I surely don't remember any time a team traded a legit top prospect for a bottom 6 players that wasn't trying to get a cup........and even worse we traded for one that wasn't even that great in the playoffs.

 

[Willgamesh]

Lol I think so. f*** the Leafs.

And the Panthers and Flames .

 

[Panthaz89]

We've got a few guys here who religiously follow every one of our prospects, not just a specific league. Chainshot has posted in this thread often -- he is the poster here who's probably seen Savoie the most. Listen to his opinion above all others.

him and literally every Sabres fan posted Savoie as the top prospect or listed him as a 1A/1B with Kulich in the main board thread for top 10 org prospects.

 

[TheNumber4]

How is the Sabres work ethic consistency game to game?

I think this is one aspect of Mcleod that can help the Sabres as well. He doesn’t take a shift off. He’s always working. Always a team player. Always willing to do what the coaches require of him. It’s a consistent work ethic that may rub off on his team mates.

 

[BuffaloGooner]

How is the Sabres work ethic consistency game to game?

I think this is one aspect of Mcleod that can help the Sabres as well. He doesn’t take a shift off. He’s always working. Always a team player. Always willing to do what the coaches require of him. It’s a consistent work ethic that may rub off on his team mates.

Considering we revamped almost the entire bottom 6 and hired Lindy I’m expecting it to change but last year we started games slow on a consistent basis. It was ridiculous. Great to hear about McLeod.

 

[TheNumber4]

And the Panthers and Flames .

Now we’re talking. Although my leaf’s hate surprisingly trumps all that

 

[TheNumber4]

Considering we revamped almost the entire bottom 6 and hired Lindy I’m expecting it to change but last year we started games slow on a consistent basis. It was ridiculous. Great to hear about McLeod.

I like the Bottom 6 makeover. Malenstyn and Lafferty are two high motor players to go along with Mcleod. Don’t know much about Aube-Kubel. Or the Benson and Greenway from last year, but I’ll learn their games soon.

But with those additional motors in the bottom 6, I wouldn’t be surprised if the Bottom 6 is like a work rate engine for this team. Once work rate is solved and becomes consistent and non-negotiable, a team can really start to make noise.

 

[Chainshot]

How is the Sabres work ethic consistency game to game?

It was consistent.

Consistently bad.

I think this is one aspect of Mcleod that can help the Sabres as well. He doesn’t take a shift off. He’s always working. Always a team player. Always willing to do what the coaches require of him. It’s a consistent work ethic that may rub off on his team mates.

They need that. Malenstyn is another one they wanted who always brings it.

 

[Zman5778]

I think after this trade I’m gonna adopt Buffalo as my eastern team. I’ve been thinking about it and it makes sense:

- I like Mcleod
- I have a soft spot for small market teams that have crappy UFA attractiveness (see my Oilers)
- I already hate the Leafs
- I like alot of the talent that Buffalo is stock piling
- I like underdogs
- I want to see the stale and boring playoff teams in the East be changed up
- Oh and f*** Jack Eichel. I always hate players that quit on their franchise. Yeh yeh yeh there was injury issues and circumstances surrounding that, but still f*** him.
- Oh and Tage is a beast

Welcome aboard! I'm sorry for what's to come.

 

[TheNumber4]

It was consistent.

Consistently bad.




They need that. Malenstyn is another one they wanted who always brings it.

Lol from my sparse viewings of the Sabres these last few years. That’s kinda what I suspected. On some nights it just seems like there’s no energy on the team. Everyone’s just going through the motions. On other nights, and when they are really clicking they can look like a playoff team all day long, they beat the Oilers just like that when things were clicking.

Yeh I like Malenstyn’s game. Noticed him when I was trying to scout if Dowd would be a good 4C for the Oil last year. Good pick up.

 

[TheNumber4]

Welcome aboard! I'm sorry for what's to come.

Thanks and thanks for the warning, but I’ve been forged in fire by the decade of darkness. When it comes to crappy hockey, I’ve seen my fair share. I’ve also seen teams rise from the ashes, I think the Sabres are well on their way. Time to ride the upswing!

 

[Matt Ress]

You and Push are really bending quite hard on this, simply put no GM is drafting for bottom 6 players. They are drafting players that they hope can stick around in the NHL and if they do that's the payoff. If a player can maintain in the bottom 6 great, if they make it into the top 6, you hit it big. If not, you wash your hands with them and move on.

GMs absolutely do draft for bottom 6 players. The problem is that we haven't in a decade up until last year. You know some guys aren't going to find a scoring at 19 but are big, quick and pissed off

 

[sabremike]

I think after this trade I’m gonna adopt Buffalo as my eastern team. I’ve been thinking about it and it makes sense:

- I like Mcleod
- I have a soft spot for small market teams that have crappy UFA attractiveness (see my Oilers)
- I already hate the Leafs
- I like alot of the talent that Buffalo is stock piling
- I like underdogs
- I want to see the stale and boring playoff teams in the East be changed up
- Oh and f*** Jack Eichel. I always hate players that quit on their franchise. Yeh yeh yeh there was injury issues and circumstances surrounding that, but still f*** him.
- Oh and Tage is a beast

 

[Matt Ress]

For the first time in KA's build-back, agreed. I still don't know what he's doing on defense......but the forwards? Yeah, I see the vision.

Yeah so much talent on the back end but it doesn't feel like a good mesh

 

[Dubi Doo]

him and literally every Sabres fan posted Savoie as the top prospect or listed him as a 1A/1B with Kulich in the main board thread for top 10 org prospects.

The vibe I get is that Savoie, Kulich, and Helenius are of a similar tier. Then there's a slight drop off to Ostlund and Wahlberg. If we expand it to players who are of similar age, then Benson is above all of them.

Truth is, it's a crap shoot which one of them will be the best of the bunch, but they're all quality young players, so it makes sense to deal from a position of strength. It was going to hurt regardless of who we traded.

 

[Matt Ress]

I think after this trade I’m gonna adopt Buffalo as my eastern team. I’ve been thinking about it and it makes sense:

- I like Mcleod
- I have a soft spot for small market teams that have crappy UFA attractiveness (see my Oilers)
- I already hate the Leafs
- I like alot of the talent that Buffalo is stock piling
- I like underdogs
- I want to see the stale and boring playoff teams in the East be changed up
- Oh and f*** Jack Eichel. I always hate players that quit on their franchise. Yeh yeh yeh there was injury issues and circumstances surrounding that, but still f*** him.
- Oh and Tage is a beast

Did we just become best friends

Did we just become best friends?!

Beat me to it Doobs lol