Zman5778
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Huh? He played 81 games last year and then all but 1 playoff game?
Confirmed with Link: Ryan McLeod & Ty Tullio traded to Buffalo for Matthew Savoie
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My Cozen Dylan
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Our GM has very little leverage after 13 years of no playoffs. And we have assets to burn and can afford to overpay to fill roles.
Jumptheshark
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3RD liner who plays the full length of the ice.
As an oiler fan I thought you guys were very high on Savoie? Has he fallen or is this a thing where we had an extra nhl ready body and guys have a lot of prospects? Brw TT is suppose to be a good two way player
WiHockeyGuy
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He wins faceoffs, PKs really well, and has all the defensive fancy stats you'd want. That sounds like being hard to play against. You might be conflating "toughness" with "tough to play against", two different animals.
Asymmetric Solution
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Jim Bob
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Zman5778
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Savoie was a bit redundant in the Sabres system. We desperately needed a 3C as before this, it was Peyton Krebs.
It also frees up a bit of a clog in Rochester for this upcoming year.
We traded a good prospect for help right now.
If you are feeling optimistic about this trade, don't read the main board thread about it, lol. It is being universally panned.
Asymmetric Solution
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Got me, I saw something that made it seem like he only played 4 playoffs game. I’ll take that one.
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Zman5778
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It's absolutely a case of where we had/have a number of similar prospects and needed help right now.
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Benson, McLeod and Greenway all have strong defensive play. The fourth line can fly and hit.
These are matchup moves. Don had neither the horses nor the acumen for what Lindy is going to do game to game shift to shift this year.
Zucker is a one year stopgap to fill in a top six role (and flip around with Benson some I’d imagine) for Kulich and company to develop more and not be forced into a spot they may not be ready for. I’d like a better winger…but the process makes sense. And Zucker can still play.
There is more of an actual team here than there has been in…how long? Any time in recent or not even that recent memory.
Yes…Savoie is a lot to give up. But they didn’t give it up for Erat on his last legs. McLeod is 24 and is good already. He fits every box in what they want from age to speed to position to defensive metrics. If you value prospects over roster building I’m sorry you had a bad day. But you should know that Kulich, Helenius, Ostlund, Rosen and Wahlberg are still too many high end forward prospects to ever play together.
They gave up Savoie and 43 and what did they get?
Better
These are matchup moves. Don had neither the horses nor the acumen for what Lindy is going to do game to game shift to shift this year.
Zucker is a one year stopgap to fill in a top six role (and flip around with Benson some I’d imagine) for Kulich and company to develop more and not be forced into a spot they may not be ready for. I’d like a better winger…but the process makes sense. And Zucker can still play.
There is more of an actual team here than there has been in…how long? Any time in recent or not even that recent memory.
Yes…Savoie is a lot to give up. But they didn’t give it up for Erat on his last legs. McLeod is 24 and is good already. He fits every box in what they want from age to speed to position to defensive metrics. If you value prospects over roster building I’m sorry you had a bad day. But you should know that Kulich, Helenius, Ostlund, Rosen and Wahlberg are still too many high end forward prospects to ever play together.
They gave up Savoie and 43 and what did they get?
Better
HaNotsri
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Huge whole that he created by trading for a lhd.
This was a really expensive downgrade from Mittelstadt.
Jim Bob
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Dreakon13
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Some people are just waiting for a trade/signing that is just an objective win value-wise. Not only is that probably not gonna happen because it's Buffalo and no matter how confident Adams acts every team in the league knows we're 13 years out of the playoffs, retooling and coming from a place of zero leverage dealing mostly futures... but winning trades purely on value isn't what we need. We need to bring back pieces that fit specific needs, which they seem to have isolated as defensive forwards that are tough to play against (either via size or speed).
From what I'm seeing, this trade is a loss in value but a win in team needs. I'll take the W.
From what I'm seeing, this trade is a loss in value but a win in team needs. I'll take the W.
stokes84
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We’ve earned it. It’s easy to argue that it’s bad asset management. I’d agree with that. But given where we are and where we need to go, I’m glad Adams was willing to pull the trigger on a trade like this.
SundherDome
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RE: McLeod.
He's one of the fastest players in the NHL. Almost indistinguishable from McDavid without the puck at top speed. He's an excellent PKer and gets strong EV results from deep in the roster, but struggles with offensive consistency. Wouldn't make too much out of his scratch in the playoffs. He got back in and scored 3 goals in the 7 game series against the Panthers.
He's a solid middle-six winger and a decent 3/4 centre. At 24 going on 25, with 200 games, there's room to grow.
He's one of the fastest players in the NHL. Almost indistinguishable from McDavid without the puck at top speed. He's an excellent PKer and gets strong EV results from deep in the roster, but struggles with offensive consistency. Wouldn't make too much out of his scratch in the playoffs. He got back in and scored 3 goals in the 7 game series against the Panthers.
He's a solid middle-six winger and a decent 3/4 centre. At 24 going on 25, with 200 games, there's room to grow.
Asymmetric Solution
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For good reason. This one is RoR level initial WTF but without the hope that maybe a Tage Thompson can emerge.
Enjoy Clouder guys!
Hope he plays good and hard for you.
Hope he plays good and hard for you.
Asymmetric Solution
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You want the direct definition? Or did I misinterpret your ridiculous comment?
Gabrielor
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There's a larger point here that's undeniable.
The Malenstyn and McLeod trades, in part, are because Adams spent the previous 2 years not building a team.
So this basically boils down to -
Mitts and Savoie out
Byram and McLeod in (and Tullio)
I'd rather have the first option and have KA throw money or a trade package at a better fitting D-man, but having dug the hole after the Byram trade I can't blame him for overpaying a bit for McLeod.
I'm not too bothered by losing Savoie because as talented as he might be, he's had shoulder issues and probably wouldn't be the type of player to contend well with a playoff caliber forecheck and physicality. OTOH, I like McLeod as a 3C but it's a major concern that he plays soft. So it's a potentially soft but talented W prospect for a lesser skilled and soft but fast defensive C.
It's a slightly unfortunate ending to a problem KA brought on himself, but I'm much happier with McLeod taking 3C than Krebs, so it's a consolation prize for a TDL move that I hated. Can't cry over it, something had to be done.
Mitts and Savoie out
Byram and McLeod in (and Tullio)
I'd rather have the first option and have KA throw money or a trade package at a better fitting D-man, but having dug the hole after the Byram trade I can't blame him for overpaying a bit for McLeod.
I'm not too bothered by losing Savoie because as talented as he might be, he's had shoulder issues and probably wouldn't be the type of player to contend well with a playoff caliber forecheck and physicality. OTOH, I like McLeod as a 3C but it's a major concern that he plays soft. So it's a potentially soft but talented W prospect for a lesser skilled and soft but fast defensive C.
It's a slightly unfortunate ending to a problem KA brought on himself, but I'm much happier with McLeod taking 3C than Krebs, so it's a consolation prize for a TDL move that I hated. Can't cry over it, something had to be done.
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