Speculation: Ryan Johansen "Softly in play"

[blahblah]

I wonder if MB has all the parallel's memorized in which a similar situation developed and it didn't turn out like the most awesome thing ever. I like history and it's important to look at. It's great for illustrating trends in the rise and falls of Empires/countries/Republics. Not really a great illustration of how a player is going to perform in the future. It's more of a like "Gee, look what happened this time". It's just as likely that Johansen just glides by in his career as many other players over history have done.

As far as the OP, who knows. We aren't in control of anything, so we just get the fun of debating a future that we may or may not ever see.

 

[Mayor Bee]

As for Mayor's comparison with Lecavalier, it's an encouraging parallel but only to an extent. If we have to sit through another year and a half of this crap that's a heavy heavy cost. And if Tampa had a bottom tier D they might have been better off shipping out Vinny at the start of Torts tenure.

Actually, part of their improved performance in those years was because they imported another Vinny, specifically one who this front office had no use for despite still being productive.

Yup, Vinny Prospal.

I wonder if MB has all the parallel's memorized in which a similar situation developed and it didn't turn out like the most awesome thing ever. I like history and it's important to look at. It's great for illustrating trends in the rise and falls of Empires/countries/Republics. Not really a great illustration of how a player is going to perform in the future. It's more of a like "Gee, look what happened this time". It's just as likely that Johansen just glides by in his career as many other players over history have done.

In this case, there are simply too many parallels. A rapid transition from the bottom of the league into playoff contention with an aggressive roster makeover (from a former player as a first-time NHL GM who wouldn't be around to see it reach fruition), a young core of guys who have never won anything and are desperately trying to find out what it takes, a supremely talented highly-touted center flanked by a lot of lesser-regarded forwards, a young inexperienced defenseman being asked to carry the biggest load of the blueliners, a very talented hard-working Russian goalie, and John Tortorella as the coach trying to whip the group into shape.

Sure, there are examples of hardheaded individuals who simply never took to coaching, whether because they don't do rebounds or a multitude of other reasons. I can name ten off the top of my head from other sports plus hockey without really needing to think about it. But what good would it do to bring it up? There's a majority of the people here that seem convinced or mostly convinced that this is an untenable situation, so why not provide an example of how this is nearly 100% exactly like what happened with this very coach not too long ago?

 

[Jackets16]

Agreed, but with Kek at the controls you've got to wonder what the return will be

I'm guessing it will be a good one. I don't know why so many continue with this narrative that he has made a lot of bad trades. Almost all of his trades have been good.

 

[blahblah]

But what good would it do to bring it up?

Yep, exactly. It didn't do any good to bring up your parallel either.

There's a majority of the people here that seem convinced or mostly convinced that this is an untenable situation, so why not provide an example of how this is nearly 100% exactly like what happened with this very coach not too long ago?

No, there is a host of people that disappointed with Johansen's play and there is a rumor about him being moved. Of course it's going to be talked about until something changes. He's our highest profile player. It's just you trying to stop the momentum. Why? Honestly I have no idea. You know that it isn't going to slow anyone down.

After all Hitch helped take Nash's game to a new level and a very talented, player, Zherdev was basically ran out of town and he didn't do anything after he left here.

 

[blahblah]

Canadians fans board makes a case to acquire him. When you read it you certainly wonder why we'd trade the guy.

I saw nothing in that link that changed my view of him. Not sure what you were looking at. We've already made every case they have. We know the pro's/con's.

One thing that was phrased poorly. He has a cap hit of 4 million for next season. His cap hit is almost 2 million for this season, since we're half way through. Some people are going to think that he's signed for the 17/18 season.

 

[DarkandStormy]

So, is there video proof of these incidents?

Yes, watch the highlights. It's Murray's goal.

 

[KlichkoBro*]

Yes, watch the highlights. It's Murray's goal.

So, he lifted his stick and tapped Murray. He should have jumped and screamed or something?

 

[TaketheCannoli]

Canadians fans board makes a case to acquire him. When you read it you certainly wonder why we'd trade the guy.

http://rabidhabs.com/montreal-canadiens-trade-target-ryan-johansen/

Until you come to the part where the author suggests Beaulieu, ELLER and a late 1st for Johansen.

 

[DJA]

Until you come to the part where the author suggests Beaulieu, ELLER and a late 1st for Johansen.

Same offer was made on the mains and the thread was quickly closed. It's a non-starter.

 

[BluejacketNut]

You only trade Joey for equal parts, either a #1 C or a #1 D, lesser pieces and parts screws us

 

[CBJfan4evr]

You only trade Joey for equal parts, either a #1 C or a #1 D, lesser pieces and parts screws us

Lesser pieces/parts is what worries me. Hope Kek waits for the right deal if they decide to move him. Can's see them maximizing the return unless they wait till the summer. Can't see a team making a playoff run giving us anything significant back at the deadline.

 

[Jackets16]

Lesser pieces/parts is what worries me. Hope Kek waits for the right deal if they decide to move him. Can's see them maximizing the return unless they wait till the summer. Can't see a team making a playoff run giving us anything significant back at the deadline.

I agree, but the longer you wait the less value he has, because he would have less years of control. I don't think we are going to get a proven 1st pair defenseman for him like some do anyway. A team like Nashville is going to have to decide if they are in it or not. If they are, then they have to trade Jones for a center.

 

[CBJfan4evr]

I agree, but the longer you wait the less value he has, because he would have less years of control. I don't think we are going to get a proven 1st pair defenseman for him like some do anyway. A team like Nashville is going to have to decide if they are in it our not. If they are, then they have to trade Jones for a center.

So Ryjo has us in a pickle unless NSH takes the bait. Jones would make this alot more palatable. Worried that Van is going to assemble lesser pieces to bring him home.

 

[Cyclones Rock]

delete

 

[Zaddy91]

So Ryjo has us in a pickle unless NSH takes the bait. Jones would make this alot more palatable. Worried that Van is going to assemble lesser pieces to bring him home.

We have his line mate baertschi and his coach in jnr travis green just marinating ready to take over from desjardin.

But no i think nashville gets him for jones.

And he comes to van for free.

For all of you that dont know. His hometown is like 35 minute drive from the arena. I think all the warning signs early on are just unfortunate and hes an entitled baby

But he will still wanna be payed so i think nashville goes for the cup by swapping jones. Makes sense.

Good luck guys.

 

[DarkandStormy]

Still no December goals? Kid's a real superstar eh?

 

[MAHJ71]

Still no December goals? Kid's a real superstar eh?

No, no, no! Its ok because everyone else behind him is struggling!!

 

[Jackets16]

We need to try to trade him (only for a good deal) as soon as possible. Although he might be helping our draft position with his play.

 

[CBJSlash]

I think when we told him he should play like Getzlaf, we should have specified the year. (2 goals this year and one was an empty netter).

 

[Johansen2Foligno]

If he is softly in play it's because he's hardly playing

 

[Nanabijou]

I don't see any team looking at Joey as the missing link to their cup run this year. So, I don't see a trade happening in-season. Who knows what will happen in the off-season.

 

[Cowumbus]

Seems everyone has given up on bim

 

[CBJSlash]

Seems everyone has given up on bim

I still like the player a lot and I think he has more guts that most would give him credit for. The silver lining may be that we won't look at an extension above 8 million.

 

[CBJWerenski8]

Seems everyone has given up on bim

Not me.

 

[Cyclones Rock]

So, many have "given up" on the 23 year old who was 16th in the league in scoring as a 22 year old. Last year.

"Given up" on a 23 year old, who, despite having been vilified, publicly called out, and humiliated by the worst management in the league has 1 point more than Ryan Getzlaf, 1 less than Sidney Crosby, and 2 less than John Tavares. Despite having physical issues and playing for the worst team in the NHL.

Great judgement.

Johansen is still likely to have far more shelf life left as a CBJ than the entire front office. If not, he'll still be in the NHL 10 years from now. John Davidson, Jarmo Kekelainen and John Tortorella will be answers to tough trivia questions by that time.