Ryan Johansen II (contract etc)

[blahblah]

It's kind of amusing that we think kids would always go through their agents before talking to the media. Generally true, but even veterans don't always do the right thing.

Also, just because your a good hockey player that doesn't mean you aren't an idiot.

The reality is that what Johansen said really didn't give him much in the way of public sympathy or help his cause much. Get closer to camp and it might make more of an impact. I doubt many of the casuals even though there is any type of contract issue - or that he's even up for a new contract. What did we think the Occupy crowd is suddenly going to back him as the oppressed or something? He's certainly not an icon yet. People didn't scream about Bob last year and goalies are more of an icon around here - although I think that got done quicker.

 

[pete goegan]

Elliotte Friedman is famous in the hockey world for his "30 Thoughts" posts and Justin Bourne often does his "Thoughts on Thoughts," where he comments on some of them. Here's today's, from both, on RJ's contract:

4. When the Blue Jackets extended Brandon Dubinsky, teammate Ryan Johansen hilariously tweeted, "Congrats to our second-line centre." After all, if the second-liner gets $5.85 million, shouldn't Johansen get even more? The Columbus Dispatch's Aaron Portzline reported Sunday that agent Kurt Overhardt recently submitted a shorter-term bridge offer for Johansen. Last year, the Jackets gave Sergei Bobrovsky $12 million over two years. (They are also working on a new contract for him.) You have to figure that's the endgame for Johansen, too, a bit more money in exchange for fewer years.

Johansen has some serious stones with that tweet. I’m sure he’s got a great relationship with Dubinsky, and it’s been a running joke and all, but in the midst of contract negotiations, I’m sure the team took that as a tiny bit of an eff you. Not that it matters much - they’re still gonna pay their good young player - but I’ve always found a good rule of thumb is “try not to piss off your bosses,” big picture-wise.

I know Johansen is a great player and deserves to be paid well, but given how players have gotten squeezed on second contract “bridge” deals of the past few seasons, I didn’t think we’d be talking the six million dollar range for the young RFA. 30 goals is well worth it, of course, it’s just a surprising number.

Friedman is bolded, Bourne is italicized.

Here's the link to Bourne's complete post:

http://www.thescore.com/nhl/news/541344

And to Friedman:

http://www.cbc.ca/sports-content/ho...-defenceman-cash-in-on-free-agent-frenzy.html

 

[Nordique]

Elliotte Friedman is famous in the hockey world for his "30 Thoughts" posts and Justin Bourne often does his "Thoughts on Thoughts," where he comments on some of them. Here's today's, from both, on RJ's contract:

4. When the Blue Jackets extended Brandon Dubinsky, teammate Ryan Johansen hilariously tweeted, "Congrats to our second-line centre." After all, if the second-liner gets $5.85 million, shouldn't Johansen get even more? The Columbus Dispatch's Aaron Portzline reported Sunday that agent Kurt Overhardt recently submitted a shorter-term bridge offer for Johansen. Last year, the Jackets gave Sergei Bobrovsky $12 million over two years. (They are also working on a new contract for him.) You have to figure that's the endgame for Johansen, too, a bit more money in exchange for fewer years.

Johansen has some serious stones with that tweet. I’m sure he’s got a great relationship with Dubinsky, and it’s been a running joke and all, but in the midst of contract negotiations, I’m sure the team took that as a tiny bit of an eff you. Not that it matters much - they’re still gonna pay their good young player - but I’ve always found a good rule of thumb is “try not to piss off your bosses,” big picture-wise.

I know Johansen is a great player and deserves to be paid well, but given how players have gotten squeezed on second contract “bridge” deals of the past few seasons, I didn’t think we’d be talking the six million dollar range for the young RFA. 30 goals is well worth it, of course, it’s just a surprising number.

Friedman is bolded, Bourne is italicized.

Here's the link to Bourne's complete post:

http://www.thescore.com/nhl/news/541344

And to Friedman:

http://www.cbc.ca/sports-content/ho...-defenceman-cash-in-on-free-agent-frenzy.html

thanks for that. Friedman's take on it is spot on imo. Joey was saying, "look what they are paying the guy below me on the depth chart! Why won't they pay me accordingly? "

 

[Fro]

meh...there may be some of that in the tweet...but I REALLY think its over thinking it...but we've been through that already...

 

[CBJx614]

Kreider just signed a 2 yr/4.95 deal. So what does that mean for Joey?!

 

[Samkow]

Kreider just signed a 2 yr/4.95 deal. So what does that mean for Joey?!

2 yr/7 million.

Thanks Sather!

 

[CBJx614]

2 yr/7 million.

Thanks Sather!

Just read through it, only 2.3/yr.

 

[DJA]

Looking at some of these contracts lately, I'd be very surprised if Ryan got much more than 4 million for each of the next 2 years. 3.8/year is what I'd be offering based on the comparables.

 

[Kev22]

Looking at some of these contracts lately, I'd be very surprised if Ryan got much more than 4 million for each of the next 2 years. 3.8/year is what I'd be offering based on the comparables.

Ryan O'Reilly just signed (Dreger tweets), 2 years, 6M cap hit (5.8M this year, 6.2M next). I think the Jackets can forget about 4M, because I'm sure that RyJo's camp is using ROR as a comparable. I'd be shocked if he gets less than 5M per. I'd be okay with 2 years, 5M per year.

 

[DJA]

Ryan O'Reilly just signed (Dreger tweets), 2 years, 6M cap hit (5.8M this year, 6.2M next). I think the Jackets can forget about 4M, because I'm sure that RyJo's camp is using ROR as a comparable. I'd be shocked if he gets less than 5M per. I'd be okay with 2 years, 5M per year.

ROR has had more than 1 good season. I don't think they're comparable yet.

 

[FreeBoomer61]

I posted this in the around hockey thread, but I agree about the ROR contract being a comparable contract. I'm sure that management would prefer to keep it around 4.5MM a year, but I've got to think that it would end up being a little north of that to keep him happy. My guess is 2 years at 11 - year 1 at 5 MM and year 2 at 6 MM...pretty similar to the Bobrovsky "show me" bridge deal which has worked out fine imo.

 

[Fro]

i like 2yrs 11m...so it'll probably be 2yrs 12m

 

[Kev22]

ROR has had more than 1 good season. I don't think they're comparable yet.

Just went back and looked at the stats for last year and both players first three years. They are very comparable.

ROR - Last season (including playoffs) 30G, 40A. First three seasons (including playoffs) 40G, 68A

RyJo - Last season (including playoffs) 35G, 34A. First three seasons (including playoffs) 49G, 53A

 

[DJA]

Just went back and looked at the stats for last year and both players first three years. They are very comparable.

ROR - Last season (including playoffs) 30G, 40A. First three seasons (including playoffs) 40G, 68A

RyJo - Last season (including playoffs) 35G, 34A. First three seasons (including playoffs) 49G, 53A

Those are selective stats considering first three years doesn't really matter in this negotiation. ROR wouldn't be getting 6 million if just his first three years was being taken into account.

 

[Kev22]

Those are selective stats considering first three years doesn't really matter in this negotiation. ROR wouldn't be getting 6 million if just his first three years was being taken into account.

I only did the first three years because Johansen has only been in the league three years. ROR's best season was last year by 14 points (if you include playoff stats). RyJo was 48 points better than his previous best season. I would still contend that they are comparables and RyJo's camp is likely looking for that kind of contract.

 

[Samkow]

Just read through it, only 2.3/yr.

Okay, that's a lot better. That sounded way too high to begin with.

 

[Nordique]

i like 2yrs 11m...so it'll probably be 2yrs 12m

I think you are dead on, 5.5 - 6.0 per year, 2 years, just like ROR. That will put us at about 60 million, right where I project we'll spend this season.

 

[CBJRzeznik]

I think you are dead on, 5.5 - 6.0 per year, 2 years, just like ROR. That will put us at about 60 million, right where I project we'll spend this season.

I was hoping 2 years at 5.0 but believe Nordique's estimate will be dead on. Well done!

Anyone else think that contract ROR signed significantly increases the likelihood of a trade by year's end?

 

[Crede777]

Anyone else think that contract ROR signed significantly increases the likelihood of a trade by year's end?

Possibly, but I'd be extremely wary of acquiring him. I think ROR doesn't want to leave Colorado so much as he just wants to be a UFA and collect a UFA contract. Which means I think it doesn't matter where he is, he's going to free agency.

So if a team were to acquire him, it'd likely only be for 1 year (provided Colorado trades him at the TDL or next offseason).

 

[CBJRzeznik]

Possibly, but I'd be extremely wary of acquiring him. I think ROR doesn't want to leave Colorado so much as he just wants to be a UFA and collect a UFA contract. Which means I think it doesn't matter where he is, he's going to free agency.

So if a team were to acquire him, it'd likely only be for 1 year (provided Colorado trades him at the TDL or next offseason).

Good point....completely agree. I am hopeful Jarmo would only acquire ROR if there was structure of a long-term deal in place. I really believe Jarmo would be highly interested if COL decides they can't retain ROR. It just doesn't seem likely that COL will risk losing him as an UFA after losing Statsny this year.

 

[Cyclones Rock]

The negotiating strategy of the Jackets stating that Johansen has to prove that last year wasn't a fluke before getting a long term deal is probably about as silly as it gets.

He had a breakout season last year. Regression in Johansen's play is very unlikely. How many top 5 draft picks in the past 20 years who broke out during their entry level contracts weren't worth a long term deal? Horton and Dubinski have far more probability of regressing than Johansen. Neither of these two were ever, nor will they ever be as good as Johansen was last year.

The bridge contact strategy with this kid is a loser.

 

[Jackets16]

Ryan O'Reilly just signed (Dreger tweets), 2 years, 6M cap hit (5.8M this year, 6.2M next). I think the Jackets can forget about 4M, because I'm sure that RyJo's camp is using ROR as a comparable. I'd be shocked if he gets less than 5M per. I'd be okay with 2 years, 5M per year.

Not sure why you think this. That contract, IMO, really helps us.

 

[pete goegan]

From Ryan Lambert of Puck Daddy:

Contract talks are progressing between the Columbus Blue Jackets and their ostensible No. 1 center, Ryan Johansen, after a few months of what seemed like a bit of a cold war.

Johansen, following his first full season of really effective hockey for the Blue Jackets, may or may not want a two-year bridge deal, and there's no word on the money. But as Elliotte Friedman suggested in the final 30 Thoughts of the 2013-14 campaign, that Brandon Dubinsky $5.85 million mark probably isn't the worst guess for a jumping-off point.

But you have to examine whether Johansen is worth that kind of money. The short answer, from a cursory look, is “probably not.†Yeah, 33 goals. Because his shooting efficiency was 13.9 percent. Of the 21 guys who broke 30 goals last season, Johansen's shooting percentage was 10th, but behind guys who can demonstrably keep theirs high, like Ryan Getzlaf, Sidney Crosby, and Jarome Iginla. This despite the fact that his shots per game (2.89) was 15th of those 22.

The likelihood that Johansen doesn't score 30 goals again next season without significantly boosting his shot total is at least somewhat high. Will he still be a .75 points-per-game guy? It seems unlikely. You can't count on that kind of production in terms of goals, but he's still an improving player, and will likely be one for another three or four years overall at least.

His possession numbers, meanwhile, are good (plus-1.5 percent) despite some pretty tough usage, facing the best competition on the team, and third-hardest zone starts among Jackets forwards. That's not bad at all for a 21-year-old on a team without a ton of high-quality scoring threats. Again, we have to consider whether this is something he can repeat; all indications would be that it is, because you don't see guys that young getting minutes that hard and driving play too often.

If you can get Johansen for something in the neighborhood of $5.5 million for the next two to four seasons, then that's something you basically have to do, right? Jarmo Kekalainen is a terribly smart manager and will likely make the correct decision in the end. The good news is team and player have the rest of the summer to work it out.


Seems he pretty much agrees with many who have speculated, here, on the future contract for RJ.

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nhl-p...ly-s-worth--toronto-gets-smart-162325722.html

 

[CBJWerenski8]

Wish we could just sign him so we can fully look into Bob's extension before putting a bow on the summer

 

[pld459666]

Reading between the lines...time to start edging towards the cliff. When the team starts, for lack of a better term, calling guys out in the media, it's never a good sign.

Outsider here.

I think it's more them calling themselves out than calling the player out.

The rushed to give Nash the contract he got and probably regretted it a bit.

Different front office, I get that. But still can't make the same mistakes of the previous regime.

Has there been any leakage of demands from either side?