Ryan Johansen II (contract etc)

[IHeartZherdev*]

Loved this:



What the heck does he mean talking about Toews' money? Maybe IHZ can set him straight.

That hack's column says "Johansen’s side is asking for something around $7 million per season, and the Jackets are offering something in the neighborhood of $4 million."

Jonathan Toews just signed a contract for $10.5 million a season for 8 years.

 

[CBJ Tiffin]

Can they not do a 1 year deal for around 5.5 and reevaluate next offseason?

 

[pete goegan]

Can they not do a 1 year deal for around 5.5 and reevaluate next offseason?

Can they? Sure, but then they'll have to go through all this again. I think they'd prefer a two year contract, which would still allow them to revisit it, next year, but would put off the bigger dollar, longer contract for another year, giving them added time to see exactly what they have in Joey. Doesn't mean that's how it'll work out, but that's how I see things from the team side, anyway.

 

[EspenK]

That hack's column says "Johansen’s side is asking for something around $7 million per season, and the Jackets are offering something in the neighborhood of $4 million."

Jonathan Toews just signed a contract for $10.5 million a season for 8 years.

What Toews is making this year (6.3, granted 7 is a bit more) not what he signed for. Again its an example of the magnitude of what he is asking for not the specific $.

 

[CBJ Tiffin]

Seems like it would give each side more data on which to base their position. Joey plays well, Jackets pay. Joey plays poorly, he shuts his mouth and takes what the team offers.

Would also put this issue to bed for now so they can focus on the job at hand.

 

[CBJWerenski8]

To be honest, a big reason I want this settled other than to have Joey here for the season is so that horrible all-speculation thread on the mains with a bunch of people who have these fake inside information can shut up.

 

[DJA]

To be honest, a big reason I want this settled other than to have Joey here for the season is so that horrible all-speculation thread on the mains with a bunch of people who have these fake inside information can shut up.

That thread is like a bad Twilight Zone episode.

 

[We Want Ten]

It wouldn't be bad except for a couple posters stirring the pot.

 

[NotWendell]

Joey's agent seems to be working the bloggers and the beat reporter at The Tennessean hard to spin that Preds offer sheet idea. Gotta try to create leverage wherever you can!

 

[Tairy]

I think joey is worth 6 mil per the next 2 years. If for some reason during those two years he can't show an upward trend then I would stick to around 5 mil for the next contract

 

[KanetoToews2883]

Toews got mentioned earlier in this thread ( a few posts ago) and I feel like with the way the NHL contracts are getting handed out perhaps at or just under the contract Toews signed 5 years ago would be Johansen's ideal?

That was 5 years @ 31 mil. Kane and Toews both signed the same contract.

Now if you're Columbus you're probably saying hold up, Toews won a Cup in 2010, Johansen isn't that type of leader... and they have a point.

That said, something needs to get done sooner rather than later to avoid a Kyle Turris situation.

 

[spintheblackcircle]

Joey's agent seems to be working the bloggers and the beat reporter at The Tennessean hard to spin that Preds offer sheet idea. Gotta try to create leverage wherever you can!

Sign and trade for Weber.

 

[NotWendell]

Sign and trade for Weber.

I can't deny I hadn't been thinking about it.

 

[db2011]

I dont believe, and I have never believed, that Ryan Johansen has heart for the game. I think his skill level is so high that he does well in spite of his lack of effort or passion for the game. If we were to give him a long term deal now, he would be a total bust, almost guaranteed. The absolute highest I would go is 2 year $9 million. While he oozes with talent, he is void of passion. Until he displays this, he will never be an elite player in this league.

Problem with this is, you've already identified in your post that Joey has a very high skill level. That's a lot of what you're paying for. Jarmo and JD have identified intangibles like passion as qualities that they're stressing (except when they're not, see: DMac, and an outright declaration that any Johansen offer sheet will be matched), but if you're going to lowball Johansen by prioritizing passion over skill, you've got your priorities wrong.

I share some measure of your apprehension but I've said before, if you're concerned about Joey's shortcomings between the ears and behind the breastbone, you trust the character of the room you've assembled to keep him honest and playing with character. He's a big time player and we'd be foolish to approach it like he's not.

 

[IHeartZherdev*]

I can't deny I hadn't been thinking about it.

 

[Jumptheshark]

I come in peace (oiler fan here)

Hypothetically if Johanson is in play IF IF IF IF IF IF IFIF IF IF IF IF IF IF IF IF IF IF IF IF IF

would a deal from the OIlers looking like

Leon D (or Yakupov)
Schultz (or Petry)
and 2015 first round

For Johansen

My guess is you guys come back with asking for Hall--call me a homer--but I think Hall has an extra step and move that Johanson does not have. And I think you guys would not want Eberle's contract and because Hopkins is also getting more money then he is worth that is why I did not add him to the mix

AS I said I come in peace if anyone takes this a troll post feal free to correct any misconception I have about the situation

 

[jordanwill21]

A very fair and reasonable deal, but still not sure i would do this. 1 line (potential) centers don't come on trees but if there is bad blood and don't see a future with him in the organization this could be a good out.

*the first needs to be in the upcoming draft as well

 

[Jumptheshark]

a very fair and reasonable deal, but still not sure i would do this. 1 line (potential) centers don't come on trees but if there is bad blood and don't see a future with him in the organization this could be a good out.

*the first needs to be in the upcoming draft as well :d

2015.

 

[jacketsinDC]

"void of passion," eh?

What is this based on?

He was a complete beast last season and carried this team on his back. What more do you need to see to prove his passion? Getting punched in the head like Jared Boll?

I've been reading this board for a few years now and have yet to see you take a position on anything where I actually agreed with you. Now, I tend to be reassured if I see you disagreeing.

It's not whether he's worth 5-6 mil a year, its whether he's worth 7, and no one really knows that answer. I watched every game last year and while he was good, I didn't see him carrying the team on his back. I guess I'm not the only one who thinks johansen's stats don't tell the entire story, because he's a 21 year old 30 goal scorer whose team doesn't want to sign him to a long term contract.

like others have said, his growth could stall if money is thrown at him, and he could end up losing motivation, getting benched, and asking for a trade … or just never live up to the guaranteed paycheck.

 

[IHeartZherdev*]

I've been reading this board for a few years now and have yet to see you take a position on anything where I actually agreed with you. Now, I tend to be reassured if I see you disagreeing.

It's not whether he's worth 5-6 mil a year, its whether he's worth 7, and no one really knows that answer. I watched every game last year and while he was good, I didn't see him carrying the team on his back. I guess I'm not the only one who thinks johansen's stats don't tell the entire story, because he's a 21 year old 30 goal scorer whose team doesn't want to sign him to a long term contract.

like others have said, his growth could stall if money is thrown at him, and he could end up losing motivation, getting benched, and asking for a trade … or just never live up to the guaranteed paycheck.

You'd probably prefer we try to spend enough to coax sami pahlsson out of retirment

 

[PubOFH]

"void of passion," eh?

What is this based on?

He was a complete beast last season and carried this team on his back. What more do you need to see to prove his passion? Getting punched in the head like Jared Boll?

He has one good year of stats. I have never liked his body language and in the 2 seasons prior to last, he was a floater. Contract year comes up and all the sudden he is playing hard? No way this kid gets more than a 2 year deal. He MUST prove himself. The playoff is the minors is the key to all of that. Best player, talent wise, on the ice and he gets scratched.

The coaches are doing the right thing and pushing the right buttons. Hopefully he has a long great career....but time will only tell.

 

[IHeartZherdev*]

He has one good year of stats. I have never liked his body language and in the 2 seasons prior to last, he was a floater. Contract year comes up and all the sudden he is playing hard? No way this kid gets more than a 2 year deal. He MUST prove himself. The playoff is the minors is the key to all of that. Best player, talent wise, on the ice and he gets scratched.

The coaches are doing the right thing and pushing the right buttons. Hopefully he has a long great career....but time will only tell.

wow...we'd never had a #1 center or a playoff win in our entire franchise history...then this kid comes along, dominates, emerges as a number one center, and we make the playoffs and actually win a couple games and have the first respectable, put us on-the-map season in franchise history...and now "fans" like you are complaining about made up garbage like "body language" and are upset that he may have "floated" as a 20 year old adjusting to the NHL? And who cares what happened in the AHL 2+ years ago? How is that even relevant after what he proved this year? It's not.

 

[KeithBWhittington]

Ugh, some part of me can't believe this standoff is still going on. I can't imagine a scenario (right now, at least) where this extends into training camp. I don't think anybody around the league would fault Johansen for trying to get the best deal possible for himself, but I think the game change with a lot of critics of the jackets if this extends to camp.

 

[cbjfaninmo]

I still think a 2 year deal gets done right before camp starts.

 

[Hello Johnny]

wow...we'd never had a #1 center or a playoff win in our entire franchise history...then this kid comes along, dominates, emerges as a number one center, and we make the playoffs and actually win a couple games and have the first respectable, put us on-the-map season in franchise history...and now "fans" like you are complaining about made up garbage like "body language" and are upset that he may have "floated" as a 20 year old adjusting to the NHL? And who cares what happened in the AHL 2+ years ago? How is that even relevant after what he proved this year? It's not.

Semantics, but the AHL ordeal was just last year. Not really a big deal to me, as I'm pretty sure he learned from that. I've never seen Joey as a floater either, nor have I seen him devoid of passion. He's always been active defensively, and players who aren't passionate about the game usually don't care about playing good D.

However, he's still not worth what he's asking for. I think most everyone can agree he's worth roughly $5.5 mil. Giving him any more would be like giving your screaming toddler that toy he really wants just to shut him up. But just as you can't spoil a tot, you can't spoil a 21 year old who is on the cusp of becoming great.