Ryan Johansen II (contract etc)

[blahblah]

Would anyone have a problem with 3 years, $16.5 mil (5.5 mil AAV)? They can back load the salary for motivation ($4.1 mil/$5.5 mil/$6.9 mil), makes him the highest paid center (salary) on the team those three years combined, and he is still an RFA at the end of the deal.

I don't like the 3 year deal. He can then go to arbitration, get a nice one year deal and hit UFA. It could also make getting a larger return, if we needed to trade him, harder.

 

[Fro]

UPDATE: There is no update

Aaron Portzline ‏@Aportzline 21m
Has there been a thaw in contract negotiations between #CBJ and Ryan Johansen? No. Not at all. Chilly as ever. One month till camp opens.

 

[DJA]

key part of that tweet is "one month till camp opens" - lots of time for the sides to mean-mug each other when there's no reason at all to sign yet.

 

[CBJWerenski8]

Yawn. He's a great player, and I love him on the team and he has a bright future. But if he wants to sit on the sidelines and wait for his money (which he's justified in doing) I have no problem with starting without him.

 

[EDM]

Well if he decides to sit on the sidelines, there is no choice but starting without him.

 

[Fro]

like i said, the update was there was no update...not worth starting to panic over...

 

[We Want Ten]

At this point, part of me wants him to sign just to shut Canuck fan up.

On the the hand I kind of hope they drag it out so Canuck fan can continue to publicly state that he wants to play at home, that's why he won't sign. I am enjoying the manufactured drama.

I'm torn.

 

[keppel146]

Sleeper for fantasy....

 

[EspenK]

The latest from Porty

http://bluejacketsxtra.dispatch.com/content/stories/2014/08/19/kekalainen-doesnt-want-johansen-to-hold-out.html

The Jackets are believed to be offering an annual salary between $3.5 million and $4 million. Johansen’s camp, which is believed to be seeking upward of $7 million per season, would argue that Johansen is the Jackets’ No. 1 center and their most talented offensive player.

Okay both sides need a reality check. The Jackets should be at 5 and no way is he worth 7 after one pretty good season.

 

[pete goegan]

The latest from Porty

http://bluejacketsxtra.dispatch.com/content/stories/2014/08/19/kekalainen-doesnt-want-johansen-to-hold-out.html



Okay both sides need a reality check. The Jackets should be at 5 and no way is he worth 7 after one pretty good season.

Agree, though these are still only negotiating tactics. Elsewhere in the article, Johansen's agent threatens a holdout from camp. That would not be good. If the kid comes in late and the team gets off to another of it's traditional lousy starts, there will be enough angst to go around for all involved. Some will blame Joey, some will blame Jarmo, but all will be thoroughly pissed.

 

[EspenK]

Agree, though these are still only negotiating tactics. Elsewhere in the article, Johansen's agent threatens a holdout from camp. That would not be good. If the kid comes in late and the team gets off to another of it's traditional lousy starts, there will be enough angst to go around for all involved. Some will blame Joey, some will blame Jarmo, but all will be thoroughly pissed.

Scary part of that is he has held out what 5 or 6 guys,including Dubi for 8 days of camp. Hopefully both sides come to their senses for the very reasons you mention and Jarmo mentions in the article.

I know its a business and all that but I have to believe IF Joey holds out for some ridiculous amount then one or two things will happen(or maybe both),
1) other players will resent him because he is putting himself above the team by asking for an inflated number 2) signing the rest of the RFA's will become more difficult if Joey gets close to what he wants.

I know many will say why worry its still a month away, etc., etc., etc. but stuff does happen and none of us know what effect, if any, a holdout will have. I think my two scenarios are reasonable possible effects but who knows. I just want this done with sooner rather than later.

 

[Double-Shift Lasse]

1) other players will resent him because he is putting himself above the team by asking for an inflated number

I've been thinking about this one, from the perspective of a team leader potentially going to Ryan quietly and telling him how important it will be to get off to a good start and have a good camp to capitalize on last year's progress. But what I keep coming back to is the idea that every player wants to get paid (even if it's not their top priority) and they wouldn't call negative attention to another player's contract negotiations. I mean, how could Dubi, for example, go to Johansen and say "let's get this done for the good of the team etc" when he himself just got a big contract?

 

[Fro]

threatens a holdout, but yet Joey is coming to town to work out with the team tomorrow...i don't get it sometimes...

 

[EDM]

This situation is starting to look dicey with conflicting attitudes expressed by JK and Joey's agent in today's Dispatch. Don't like the agent's tone.

 

[Nordique]

I've been thinking about this one, from the perspective of a team leader potentially going to Ryan quietly and telling him how important it will be to get off to a good start and have a good camp to capitalize on last year's progress. But what I keep coming back to is the idea that every player wants to get paid (even if it's not their top priority) and they wouldn't call negative attention to another player's contract negotiations. I mean, how could Dubi, for example, go to Johansen and say "let's get this done for the good of the team etc" when he himself just got a big contract?

Exactly my thought. In the majority of cases like this, when I've heard teammates interviewed, they seem to separate business from the locker room. These guys share agents, belong to the same labor union, the locker room isn't going to shun a guy for due diligence in his contract negotiations.

 

[Jackets16]

The latest from Porty

http://bluejacketsxtra.dispatch.com/content/stories/2014/08/19/kekalainen-doesnt-want-johansen-to-hold-out.html



Okay both sides need a reality check. The Jackets should be at 5 and no way is he worth 7 after one pretty good season.

Agree to disagree. Johansen is WAY off and the Jackets are a LITTLE off. The Jackets started at that number expecting him to probably come back with a number a lot closer to the actual number they would be okay with. He didn't, so they didn't move up and I am glad they didn't. Johansen needs to be the first to move off his number if that is what he actually thinks he deserves. IMO, he doesn't deserve more than $4 mill or $4.5 mill. He is absolutely crazy if he actually believes he is worth %7 mill after ONE good, but not great, year.

 

[Jackets16]

Exactly my thought. In the majority of cases like this, when I've heard teammates interviewed, they seem to separate business from the locker room. These guys share agents, belong to the same labor union, the locker room isn't going to shun a guy for due diligence in his contract negotiations.

99% of the time you are right. However, if they feel the KID is being crazy and potentially hurting their chances of a good season, they MIGHT. I would hope some of our older players have a talk with him.

 

[Jackets16]

Agree, though these are still only negotiating tactics. Elsewhere in the article, Johansen's agent threatens a holdout from camp. That would not be good. If the kid comes in late and the team gets off to another of it's traditional lousy starts, there will be enough angst to go around for all involved. Some will blame Joey, some will blame Jarmo, but all will be thoroughly pissed.

What if they get off to a good start without him? Johansen would be taking a big chance if he held out. IF Columbus did good without him it wouldn't help his chances of getting that crazy contract he wants.

 

[IHeartZherdev*]

99% of the time you are right. However, if they feel the KID is being crazy and potentially hurting their chances of a good season, they MIGHT. I would hope some of our older players have a talk with him.

Players don't get involved in other players contract negotiations. For them to pressure him to sign a deal would be wildly inappropriate. It would also suggest they are on the front office's side, rather than his side, and chances are players support their buddies in the room.

 

[IHeartZherdev*]

I know its a business and all that but I have to believe IF Joey holds out for some ridiculous amount then one or two things will happen(or maybe both),
1) other players will resent him because he is putting himself above the team by asking for an inflated number 2) signing the rest of the RFA's will become more difficult if Joey gets close to what he wants.

Players won't resent him at all and if anything, after playing with him, don't understand why the team isn't committed to locking him up long term. Players want each other to get paid.

Signing other RFAs shouldn't be more difficult because we don't have any other RFA's who are #1 centers who dominated in the playoffs and put off huge numbers. And if in a few years we have that problem with Wenny, well, that's a good problem to have.

 

[pete goegan]

Players don't get involved in other players contract negotiations. For them to pressure him to sign a deal would be wildly inappropriate. It would also suggest they are on the front office's side, rather than his side, and chances are players support their buddies in the room.

Yep.

 

[Fro]

Players don't get involved in other players contract negotiations. For them to pressure him to sign a deal would be wildly inappropriate. It would also suggest they are on the front office's side, rather than his side, and chances are players support their buddies in the room.

while true, they will ask each other for advice...but you are right they won't offer an unsolicited opinion typically...

 

[IHeartZherdev*]

threatens a holdout, but yet Joey is coming to town to work out with the team tomorrow...i don't get it sometimes...

Joey is a hockey player is going to train and get ready for the season with his teammates. Meanwhile, his agent is working on getting his client the best deal possible for his client.

 

[WannabeFinn]

So it is in fact ~4m offered and ~7m desired. Still think it ends up 10-11m/2yr

 

[CBJWerenski8]

Uhh yeah the Jackets players won't resent Johansen if he shows up late. They know its a business, and he's just trying to secure himself and his family. They want him there, but it's hard to resent a man for that.

upwards of 7 mill? Yikes, this could go a while longer.