Uh you realize that Fenton was on your scouting staff up until a month or two ago. He is the same guy that picked Johansson in the 1st.
RW Yegor Chinakhov (2020, 21st, CBJ)
- Thread starter Caser
- Start date
-
Work is still on-going to rebuild the site styling and features. Please report any issues you may experience so we can look into it. Click Here for Updates
Uh you realize that Fenton was on your scouting staff up until a month or two ago. He is the same guy that picked Johansson in the 1st.
So what? I was responding to the notion that Jarmo is just running and gunning, regardless of what his scouts say, like he's Doug Maclean or something. Sounds like there was solid consensus from his team.
Pavel Buchnevich
"Pavel Buchnevich The Fake"
I'm all for picking this guy high this year, but does there become an issue of putting too much stock into recent play? Surely having this guy in their top 10 is heavily influenced by what he's done this season. And it matters, but if his play trailed off a little, would it be the biggest shock? This season is a very small sample. I suspect he was high on their list after last season, but top 10? I'm not buying it. Maybe he was late first/early second in June.
Cyborg Yzerberg
Registered User
Pavel Buchnevich
"Pavel Buchnevich The Fake"
Pronman wrote post-draft that he got a tip that Chinakhov was going pretty high in the draft. I don't know if Chinakhov knew he was going first round, but this stuff filters out to agents, as well. I'm sure Chinakhov knew there was at least a chance he was going to be a first rounder.
Pavel Buchnevich
"Pavel Buchnevich The Fake"
It's also hard to trade back sometimes. You have to have a team that wants to trade up, and when you want to trade back because there's no player you feel the need to immediately pick, teams are going to know it, and you have less leverage in a trade.
Tasty Biscuits
with fancy sauce
Apparently some other team had him ranked 28th on their board, so CBJ weren't the only ones. Don't remember where I saw the tweet.
I don't get the "he's an overager" talk.
Yeah, sure, he is an overager, but he's also been playing extremely well in the second best league in the world as a 19 year old. If we were talking about an overager in Juniors, then I'd agree it'd be very suspect. But Jarmo and his staff has been killing it with Europe/Russians recently, so he deserves the benefit of the doubt right now.
Yeah, sure, he is an overager, but he's also been playing extremely well in the second best league in the world as a 19 year old. If we were talking about an overager in Juniors, then I'd agree it'd be very suspect. But Jarmo and his staff has been killing it with Europe/Russians recently, so he deserves the benefit of the doubt right now.
ViD
#CBJNeedHugs
He was high in the prospect list even last year as he was dominating MHL. His strong KHL play certainly assured Columbus even more and likely was the reason he was picked in the first round. Without the KHL display I think Jarmo would’ve taken him in 3rd round
I think if it was just his stats that looked good this past month, then I'd agree with you, and probably the Jackets wouldn't have him ranked in their top 10. Everyone knows he's one of the most productive 19 year olds in the KHL, actually currently outscoring Amirov, Marchenko, Podkolzin, etc... but he'd still be that smallish not very quick guy that is hard to project to the NHL.
But supposedly he grew 7 cm (!) this year and has improved his skills tremendously. 7 cm would be a highly unusual amount of growth for a 19 year old, if it's true though it would change the perceived upside of the player. And he looks faster and more dynamic in the highlights I've seen.
ThisIsMyAlibi
Fan of the worst organization in the NHL
Gonna be interesting to follow but I have a feeling Ville Siren and Jarmo know what they are doing.
traffic cone
Registered User
- May 12, 2011
- 1,843
- 1,481
These are young players. The whole draft is usually about putting stock in recent play. The season before the draft season doesn't matter at all mostly (there are some exceptions, injuries etc.).
With young players every summer has a huge impact. One summer can change the stocks a lot: your stock can go up in a year, or it can go down. I bet we'd see a LOT of different picks if drafts were held for 19-year-olds.
In this case CBJ obviously worked differently than many other teams. They took account this current (very short stretch of a) season so far. Some other teams did this as well in this draft, but they were in minority with CBJ. CBJ added this season to Chinakhov's stock when evaluating him.
And in general - not just on this topic - it's always funny when people on forums or even journalists think they know better. Jarmo told it just like it is: NHL organizations have their actual scouting staff who do their lists.
Yes, I know this is a message board. Yes, I know media's supposed to sell their content. But. Discussing draft day winners and losers one day after draft for example is totally pointless. It always will be unless we get more inside information on how the NHL organization's handle their scouting or something like that.
I mean who cares that he's an overager? He's performing as good if not better points wise as same aged prospects who were drafted last year. Podkolzin got drafted #10 last year and has almost half the points in more games in the same league.
There is a recognition in the NHL circles that the central scouting often doesn't recognize late bloomers. With each passing season we see it again and again. Look at Tampa - Kucherov #58, Point #79, Killorn #77, Cirelli #72, Palat #208 - all key guys for the Stanley Cup champion. GM's will be taking more picks like Chinakhov, this is only the beginning.
You may. Podkolzin is a prospect where you get to see who really watches and understands what he sees. There is a lot more to a prospect than pure skill, hockey IQ or physical abilities. It's the package you get.
karhukissa
Registered User
- Apr 2, 2019
- 1,910
- 2,698
Jarmo and his staff thinking that it's a right pick vs hfboards basement excel nerds saying it's a terrible pick hmmm..
As a Blue Jackets fan i'd have a complete trust that Jarmo&staff made a right choice.
As a Blue Jackets fan i'd have a complete trust that Jarmo&staff made a right choice.
goonybird
Young boy expert
- Jul 9, 2015
- 4,852
- 3,330
It's not that he might not end up being good, it's that they could've got him later than they did.
If he's in your top 10 and you're getting him at 21, you're looking at it like a value play.
Also, if he's in your top 10, you'd probably think that at least some other teams are high on him, too. It would be weird for one team to love a guy that much while the other 30 don't have interest.
Fantomas
Registered User
- Aug 7, 2012
- 13,771
- 7,577
And how could they do that? There were teams willing to pick him in the 1st round and they didn't have another pick until the 3rd.
Igor Shestyorkin
#26, the sickest of 'em all.
Yep, every move an NHL GM makes is the right one and every draft pick they make is great. That's why every player pans out, right? Everyone is just an HF excel nerd and nobody who isn't a GM or NHL staff doesn't do their homework or due diligence on prospects. Weird.
karhukissa
Registered User
- Apr 2, 2019
- 1,910
- 2,698
Not really. But people being weirded out and saying it's a terrible pick is based on what? He wasn't high on mock draft rankings? It's no secret that European and especially Russian players are often getting underrated on these rankings.
What i'm saying is that i'm only doubting that nobody of these critics have seen him play, not even once. I'm not saying that i have seen him play many times, but if Kekäläinen and his European scout staff sees this much potential in him, i'm not doubting.
Also, when looking at few recent late round European picks which Columbus has made in Texier, Bemström, Gavrikov etc. it only tells me that they know their stuff.
