RW Tyler Boucher - Belleville Senators, AHL (2021, 10th, OTT)

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

I thought he was OK for Belleville in the two games they played against Laval.

I'd trade Farrell for him, but I really dislike Farrell.

I think Boucher is worth acquiring for other teams and just know he's still a long-term project, but could be a nice 4th line forward. A potential late bloomer, but as sens fans have said, he isn't producing at the AHL like even at a .33 ppg.

 

[TheNewEra]

I thought he was OK for Belleville in the two games they played against Laval.

I'd trade Farrell for him, but I really dislike Farrell.

I think Boucher is worth acquiring for other teams and just know he's still a long-term project, but could be a nice 4th line forward. A potential late bloomer, but as sens fans have said, he isn't producing at the AHL like even at a .33 ppg.

with his upside being a 4th liner its one of those situations of is it even worth ottawa trading him haha

might as well keep the physical forward who plays 2 games a year with the prayer that he can be a 4th liner in the nhl. The hitting is there. Nothing else is. If health can be there then i can see him getting a 4th line role.

 

[Hockeyville USA]

If he doesn't play an NHL game, I believe he'll be the first top 10 pick since Ryan Sittler (1992, 7th overall, Flyers) to never play an NHL game.

I do think he'll probably get one at some point though

 

[SensFanInMTL]

Regret to inform the loyal Sens fans that the days of having a hockey career in general will come to end sooner than later. Best of luck to Tyler in his future endeavors.

 

[Fjordy]

It's unclear what Dorion was thinking when he made this pick. You can usually get a player like this in 2nd-3rd at the draft.

 

[Flynn84]

It's unclear what Dorion was thinking when he made this pick. You can usually get a player like this in 2nd-3rd at the draft.

How he was rated before the draft? I remember he was a reach. But I'm not sure if he was still rated as a first rounder or not

 

[Flynn84]

Well, just googled. He was rated as late first rounder (29) in McKenzie list (as voted by scouts)

 

[Fjordy]

How he was rated before the draft? I remember he was a reach. But I'm not sure if he was still rated as a first rounder or not

I think it's closer to the second round, but not in the top 10. I liked L'Heureux more in the draft, even though he was picked by the Preds at #27.

 

[super6646]

This was a horrible pick then and now. No hindsight needed on this one. Never producing a ppg in junior is something

 

[Barsky]

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Regret to inform the loyal Sens fans that the days of having a hockey career in general will come to end sooner than later. Best of luck to Tyler in his future endeavors.

Yup, apparently Formy is learning how to be a heavy equipment operator these days, so that might be a good move for this kid too since Formy is ten times the player he'll ever be

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

It's unclear what Dorion was thinking when he made this pick. You can usually get a player like this in 2nd-3rd at the draft.

No, you can’t, and that’s precisely why he picked him where he did.

Your post is such revisionist history. There’s usually not a player with his toolkit in the average NHL draft.

And there were plenty of teams interested in taking him first round.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

This was a horrible pick then and now. No hindsight needed on this one. Never producing a ppg in junior is something

This quite literally isn’t even true. He was PPG in his draft year at the NTDP.

Who needs watching hockey when you can cite a stat sheet incorrectly? Seems like all the complainers in this thread just cite a stat sheet.

His game is not based on being a high scorer. His game is based on being a nuisance and potentially adding some moderate level of offense.

Not adding any offense right now. He’s also still relatively young and has dealt with a lot of injuries that hampers his ability to get into a rhythm or sustain full seasons. Doesn’t mean that won’t happen eventually.

Why not reevaluate after more than 13 games? All the people that bump his thread after very small samples always seem to think they’re the smartest in the room and need to rush to judgement on a young player.

 

[Rebels57]

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Regret to inform the loyal Sens fans that the days of having a hockey career in general will come to end sooner than later. Best of luck to Tyler in his future endeavors.

At least he has his old man to fall back on. I wonder if one of the Sens scouts and Brian Boucher had some type of connection. Only thing that makes sense.

 

[Fjordy]

No, you can’t, and that’s precisely why he picked him where he did.

Your post is such revisionist history. There’s usually not a player with his toolkit in the average NHL draft.

And there were plenty of teams interested in taking him first round.

Whatever you say, buddy.

 

[Jacob]

At least he has his old man to fall back on. I wonder if one of the Sens scouts and Brian Boucher had some type of connection. Only thing that makes sense.

The media loves to harp on "bloodlines" especially since the Tkachuk brothers, maybe the scouts look for it as well.

 

[nbwingsfan]

This quite literally isn’t even true. He was PPG in his draft year at the NTDP.

Who needs watching hockey when you can cite a stat sheet incorrectly? Seems like all the complainers in this thread just cite a stat sheet.

His game is not based on being a high scorer. His game is based on being a nuisance and potentially adding some moderate level of offense.

Not adding any offense right now. He’s also still relatively young and has dealt with a lot of injuries that hampers his ability to get into a rhythm or sustain full seasons. Doesn’t mean that won’t happen eventually.

Why not reevaluate after more than 13 games? All the people that bump his thread after very small samples always seem to think they’re the smartest in the room and need to rush to judgement on a young player.

At his size he should have absolutely dominated kids at the CHL level. Instead he produced like a 3rd liner.

That shows a complete and utter lack of any type of offensive skills. Like non existent.

Hes a stretch to even become a decent AHL player at this point

 

[Barsky]

No, you can’t, and that’s precisely why he picked him where he did.

Your post is such revisionist history. There’s usually not a player with his toolkit in the average NHL draft.

And there were plenty of teams interested in taking him first round.

I guess you have no idea how many Sens fans freaked out at such a reach, myself especially, when there was such a clearly defined top 10 players in that draft. It's not remotely revisionist history, the pick to make was Wallstedt then and still is now, you take the best player available, period, he wasn't it then and sure af isn't now

 

[zenator]

I thought this forum was for discussing real prospects, not career minor-leaguers?

Wallstadt was the guy I wanted them to pick also. Yes, goalies are a crapshoot, and there's still no guarantee he'll be a good NHL goalie, but picking someone rated 29th at 10th was crazy.

 

[BondraTime]

The media loves to harp on "bloodlines" especially since the Tkachuk brothers, maybe the scouts look for it as well.

Sens scouts love bloodlines. Wolanin, Brown, Batherson, Dahlen, Jarventie, Grieg, Sanderson, Tkachuk, Daccord, Jaros, Boucher, Kastelic, Gruden

From 2015-2021, 7 drafts and 47 guys picked, 28% of the players chosen by Ottawa had family involved in the NHL

I guess you have no idea how many Sens fans freaked out at such a reach, myself especially, when there was such a clearly defined top 10 players in that draft. It's not remotely revisionist history, the pick to make was Wallstedt then and still is now, you take the best player available, period, he wasn't it then and sure af isn't now

Wallstadt was certainly not remotely close to a consensus top 10 spot.

There was a consensus top 9, of which Ottawa obviously missed. And that top 9 went exactly as predicted. Once those 9 went, the draft went out of consensus. Guys were chosen all over the place.

Sens made a terrible, terrible choice. But there wasn’t a consensus guy at 10, even though there were a ton of guys who’d have been fine picks there.

 

[Barsky]

Sens scouts love bloodlines. Wolanin, Brown, Batherson, Dahlen, Jarventie, Grieg, Sanderson, Tkachuk, Daccord, Jaros, Boucher, Kastelic, Gruden

From 2015-2021, 7 drafts and 47 guys picked, 28% of the players chosen by Ottawa had family involved in the NHL


Wallstadt was certainly not remotely close to a consensus top 10 spot.

There was a consensus top 9, of which Ottawa obviously missed. And that top 9 went exactly as predicted. Once those 9 went, the draft went out of consensus. Guys were chosen all over the place.

Sens made a terrible, terrible choice. But there wasn’t a consensus guy at 10, even though there were a ton of guys who’d have been fine picks there.

Absolutely Wallstedt was rated in with the top 10 prospects, it is inextricably burned into my memory and it was the safe pick from an optics standpoint. 2021 NHL Draft top 32 prospects include Power, Hughes, Guenther | NHL.com

 

[BondraTime]

Absolutely Wallstedt was rated in with the top 10 prospects, it is inextricably burned into my memory and it was the safe pick from an optics standpoint.

Lucius was 10th, he went 18th (17th)
Sillinger was 11th, he went 12th (11th)
Wallstadt was 12th, he went 20th (19th)

Once you left the top 9, there was no consensus. The tier drop after that group was massive, and one of the most recognizable tiers in the past 20 years of drafts.

 

[MS]

This quite literally isn’t even true. He was PPG in his draft year at the NTDP.

Who needs watching hockey when you can cite a stat sheet incorrectly? Seems like all the complainers in this thread just cite a stat sheet.

His game is not based on being a high scorer. His game is based on being a nuisance and potentially adding some moderate level of offense.

Not adding any offense right now. He’s also still relatively young and has dealt with a lot of injuries that hampers his ability to get into a rhythm or sustain full seasons. Doesn’t mean that won’t happen eventually.

Why not reevaluate after more than 13 games? All the people that bump his thread after very small samples always seem to think they’re the smartest in the room and need to rush to judgement on a young player.

Taking a player with this sort of (non) upside in the top 10 picks of the draft is functionally insane. It was then, it still is now. It was a crazy reach for a guy who maybe should have gone in the 25-35 range.

Then within a year it was pretty obvious he should have gone in the 3rd-4th round.

And the offense is never coming. He's had terrible numbers consistently since being drafted. Right now if he turns into a Mike Brown-type 4th liner it's probably a big win.

 

[Barsky]

Lucius was 10th, he went 18th (17th)
Sillinger was 11th, he went 12th (11th)
Wallstadt was 12th, he went 20th (19th)

Once you left the top 9, there was no consensus. The tier drop after that group was massive, and one of the most recognizable tiers in the past 20 years of drafts.

2021 NHL Draft top 32 prospects include Power, Hughes, Guenther | NHL.com

Defensemen from Michigan, NTDP, Edmonton forward lead list according to NHL.com's Mike G. Morreale

www.nhl.com

If you want to split hairs then no, there was no consensus top 10 at all as Button, Bobfather, Pronman, etc. all had different variations. Bob had Wallstedt at 12, which I guess is who you're referencing, but it was NHL.com I was thinking of

 

[BondraTime]

2021 NHL Draft top 32 prospects include Power, Hughes, Guenther | NHL.com

Defensemen from Michigan, NTDP, Edmonton forward lead list according to NHL.com's Mike G. Morreale

www.nhl.com

That’s not a consensus list, nor is it a real ranking. It’s Mike Morreales, he makes 4/5 mock draft day predictions a year like that.

This is the final ranking a week before the draft, of which is the bar standard for prospect rankings. Wallstadt is 12th, the write up goes out of it’s way to say there is a very clear top 9, after that it is incredible unpredictable.

Power pulls away from crowded draft field - TSN.ca

This year’s NHL draft class is showing signs of major unpredictability, but the Michigan defenceman cemented his status as hockey’s top prospect with a strong performance at the IIHF World Championship, Bob McKenzie writes.

www.tsn.ca

“In large part because of the pandemic, this year’s draft class is showing signs of greater volatility and unpredictability. That was plainly evident when plotting the prospects ranked from No. 2 to No. 9. There’s very little separating the eight prospects immediately behind Power. It’s difficult to remember when, if ever, the No. 2 spot in particular and the top five to nine in general seems as jumbled as this year.”

Wallstadt had 4 scouts in the top 10, and another 4 had him behind Cossa.

He was only the top G on 6/10 scouts lists. Most definitely not the consensus #10

Wallstadt would have been a more than fine pick, and they would be infinitely better off, but definitely wasn’t an automatic, or even likely, pick at 10.

 

[Barsky]

That’s not a consensus list, nor is it a real ranking. It’s Mike Morreales, he makes 4/5 mock draft day predictions a year like that.

This is the final ranking a week before the draft, of which is the bar standard for prospect rankings. Wallstadt is 12th, the write up goes out of it’s way to say there is a very clear top 9, after that it is incredible unpredictable.

Power pulls away from crowded draft field - TSN.ca

This year’s NHL draft class is showing signs of major unpredictability, but the Michigan defenceman cemented his status as hockey’s top prospect with a strong performance at the IIHF World Championship, Bob McKenzie writes.

www.tsn.ca

“In large part because of the pandemic, this year’s draft class is showing signs of greater volatility and unpredictability. That was plainly evident when plotting the prospects ranked from No. 2 to No. 9. There’s very little separating the eight prospects immediately behind Power. It’s difficult to remember when, if ever, the No. 2 spot in particular and the top five to nine in general seems as jumbled as this year.”

Wallstadt had 4 scouts in the top 10, and another 4 had him behind Cossa.

He was only the top G on 6/10 scouts lists. Most definitely not the consensus #10

Wallstadt would have been a more than fine pick, and they would be infinitely better off, but definitely wasn’t an automatic, or even likely, pick at 10.

Ok, we're splitting hairs considering goalies are voodoo anyway and the real issue is no matter what list you look at Boucher was nowhere near the top 10 and I accordingly lost my mind at the time because I was also well aware of the predicted huge drop that he was firmly on the other side of