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Michoulicious said:
Yeah, no.

He was right.
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Way too early to say that when there are top 10 picks who either never played an NHL game or only played a handful of games.

It's clear Boucher was a horrid reach and his development also couldn't have gone worse since the draft. It's not clear yet at all if he's the worst top 10 pick in history.
 
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William H Bonney said:
Way too early to say that when there are top 10 picks who either never played played an NHL game or only played a handful of games.

It's clear Boucher was a horrid reach and his development also couldn't have gone worse since the draft. It's not clear yet at all if he's the worst top 10 pick in history.
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Of course, anything is possible and if he's healthy and everthing goes right he might, someday, somehow play a few games as a 4th liner in the NHL...

You were telling, after he was drafted, to a poster that said the guy had no upside and was a huge reach that he didn't know anything about the USNDP...

4 years later, we all must admit the doubters were right all along. #10 OA for a guy that MIGHT make it as a 4th liner if everything goes well and stays healthy is horrible drafting.
 
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William H Bonney said:
Way too early to say that when there are top 10 picks who either never played played an NHL game or only played a handful of games.

It's clear Boucher was a horrid reach and his development also couldn't have gone worse since the draft. It's not clear yet at all if he's the worst top 10 pick in history.
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Boucher could still have an NHL career, it wouldn't shock me. But he wasn't a first rounder.

And yeah I agree, he was clearly a terrible pick at 10, but still not as bad as taking McIlrath at 10 ahead of Fowler & Tarasenko IMO.
 
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0 points in 11 games to start his 2nd year in the A.
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Feels like his selection was the start of this cycle that they are on with multiple head scratching decisions with their own first round pick for 3 straight drafts.
Take him at 10OA over a Sillinger who was a C. I mean, if you take a Winger at 10, he needs to be an impact guy physical guy if he's not a big scorer. That was followed by dealing 2022 1st and a 2 and 3 for DCat. Then they deal their 2023 first for Chrychrun to add another top 4 LHD to a group with Chabot and Sanderson.
 
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Feels like his selection was the start of this cycle that they are on with multiple head scratching decisions with their own first round pick for 3 straight drafts.
Take him at 10OA over a Sillinger who was a C. I mean, if you take a Winger at 10, he needs to be an impact guy physical guy if he's not a big scorer. That was followed by dealing 2022 1st and a 2 and 3 for DCat. Then they deal their 2023 first for Chrychrun to add another top 4 LHD to a group with Chabot and Sanderson.
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bit of a weird draft with COVID impacting everything, Boucher hadn't played much with injuries, an off the board "pick a player that fits a type" more than BPA kinda pick considering they had already drafted high for a few years.

The AHL team's twitter account projected lineup shows he's mostly been on what they had listed as the 3rd line, with some opportunities on what they had listed on the 2nd line, until the most recent game where he was demoted to 4th line. Played in every game so far. No points, 8 PIM, second worst +/- on team at -4. He's a 21 year old Wing (two months shy of 22nd birthday) that can't produce at the AHL currently. Just doesn't seem like it's gonna happen.
 
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StreetHawk said:
Feels like his selection was the start of this cycle that they are on with multiple head scratching decisions with their own first round pick for 3 straight drafts.
Take him at 10OA over a Sillinger who was a C. I mean, if you take a Winger at 10, he needs to be an impact guy physical guy if he's not a big scorer. That was followed by dealing 2022 1st and a 2 and 3 for DCat. Then they deal their 2023 first for Chrychrun to add another top 4 LHD to a group with Chabot and Sanderson.
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I don't know why people always mention Sillinger. You'd think he's some NHL star the way people talk about what Ottawa missed out on. He's barely a serviceable NHL'er, and for large stretches in the NHL hasn't been. Criticize the pick of Boucher if you want, but because they passed up Sillinger? That's like being mad that a hitter in baseball was trying to pull the ball with two strikes in the air instead of taking the slap single the other way through the vacated hole. It's not really some big deal.
 
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Pavel Buchnevich said:
I don't know why people always mention Sillinger. You'd think he's some NHL star the way people talk about what Ottawa missed out on. He's barely a serviceable NHL'er, and for large stretches in the NHL hasn't been. Criticize the pick of Boucher if you want, but because they passed up Sillinger? That's like being mad that a hitter in baseball was trying to pull the ball with two strikes in the air instead of taking the slap single the other way through the vacated hole. It's not really some big deal.
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Sillinger is going to be a 50-70 point high-end two-way 2C in the NHL for the next decade. It's a major miss.
 

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Pavel Buchnevich said:
There’s a possibility. He’s also not that right now and I wouldn’t say I completely agree with you based on the evidence of his career so far that he’ll be that.
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The only reason he hasn't broken out to a 50+ point player yet is because he doesn't get PP1 time. He's been close to 40 ESP/82 since the start of last year.
 
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So for Ottawa fans who have watched him recently

whats the biggest concern with his game?

watched him closely in the NCAA, and there was big ones then.
 

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Pavel Buchnevich said:
I don't know why people always mention Sillinger. You'd think he's some NHL star the way people talk about what Ottawa missed out on. He's barely a serviceable NHL'er, and for large stretches in the NHL hasn't been. Criticize the pick of Boucher if you want, but because they passed up Sillinger? That's like being mad that a hitter in baseball was trying to pull the ball with two strikes in the air instead of taking the slap single the other way through the vacated hole. It's not really some big deal.
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Sillinger has been developed terribly, having been rushed to the NHL at 18 for some inexplicable reason, yet still has 8 points in 15 games to start the year.

This is the first year of his career he's gotten any PP time, so not shocking he's just now starting to put up some numbers.

He's better than you are portraying, but the main reason he's mentioned as the alternative to Boucher is he was largely considered the consensus pick at #10.

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So for Ottawa fans who have watched him recently

whats the biggest concern with his game?

watched him closely in the NCAA, and there was big ones then.
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Yeah that was the problem in the NCAA

Got suspended on his day off for continuous charging penalties
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More about just not being able to weaponize his solid toolset (good size, speed and strength) into producing offense.

Tools are there, he shoots hard, his puckhandling isn't bad, but he just gets nothing done on the ice.
 

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I didn't throw the towel on him yet. I still think he can become a servicable 4th ligne wingers. The tool are their that not the question. He need to start producing thought
 
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The unfortunate thing about someone like Sillinger is they would at least be a trade chip. With absolutely zero offense coming from Boucher...well, it's not good
 
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