RW Ryan Strome (2011, 5th overall, Islanders)

[Juxtaposer]

Just like Huberdeau was becoming "overrated" huh?

Exactly. Everyone called Huberdeau a bust, "his junior numbers don't impress me" and "he never impresses me at the World Juniors" and then he comes in a wins the rookie of the year, and no one came to defend him because he was a Panthers prospect.

Strome is a wizard with the puck, and I have no doubt he'll improve without it. Kid has first liner written all over him. 19 year old puts up 7 points in 10 AHL games.

There's a lot more reason to hype Strome than there was to hype, oh, I dunno OP, Granlund?

 

[UsernameWasTaken]

The following are the players that have put up 100+ points in the OHL in or before their draft eligible season since 2001:

Spezza
Little*
Kane
Gagner
MacLean*
Tavares
Stamkos
Hall
Seguin
Strome
Yakupov

The * denotes those players that scored 100+ points for the first time in their draft eligible season but their draft eligible season was their 3rd full year of OHL hockey (i.e. late birthdays, played their draft eligible seasons at an older age). So if you remove Little and MacLean, Strome is in pretty darn good company. Hell, only MacLean was a bust and he rode shotgun with Tavares and fell to the 2nd round for a reason.

But yeah, let's talk about how Strome's "20" (19) year old season isn't all that impressive while ignoring his amazing draft eligible season as a 17 year old.

Hall was a late birthday and did it in his 3rd OHL year. Kane was also a late birthday (he'd previous played 2 years for NTDP).

Yakupov was, too - but he put up 100 points the year before his draft year.

 

[7even]

ohl is the weakest of the junior leagues, putting up 90 in the ohl is not impressive. It would be different if he did that in the WHL because the WHL has the best defensemen in juniors. So i would say Strome is a tad overrated. He plays against jibberish defense most of the time.

I definitely wouldn't say that.

 

[CanadienShark]

I definitely wouldn't say that.

Yeah, I'd say the Q if anything...

 

[toewsintangibles]

Strome is looking more and more like a bust

 

[AKL]

Strome is looking more and more like a bust

I never said he was a bust. Just, people act like he's gonna be this great 80 point two way player (assuming he wasn't behind JT) and I don't see it. Yes, I believe he'll be a nice option at second line center, but I don't believe he'll be as special as everyone believes.

 

[giddy up*]

I never said he was a bust. Just, people act like he's gonna be this great 80 point two way player (assuming he wasn't behind JT) and I don't see it. Yes, I believe he'll be a nice option at second line center, but I don't believe he'll be as special as everyone believes.

Wow. You took quite a beating in this thread. Slowly back away.

 

[giddy up*]

Strome is looking more and more like a bust

Hey if you get some free time try watching some hockey. Its a great sport.

 

[Moskau]

I never said he was a bust. Just, people act like he's gonna be this great 80 point two way player (assuming he wasn't behind JT) and I don't see it. Yes, I believe he'll be a nice option at second line center, but I don't believe he'll be as special as everyone believes.

Guess I don't keep up with scouting reports but I have heard very few people say Strome was going to be an 80 pt two way player. His play style always reminded me of another Islanders pick in Tim Connolly but with a willingness to shoot more and a much more gritty demeanor... also without the terrible personality that followed Connolly since he was 17.

 

[Snotbubbles]

Look what he did in his games in the AHL at the end of the season as a 19 year old


Isles fan are not worried about people feeling Strome is overated ....


Strome has a very close friend on the Isles by the Name of Johnny who HF deems very overated much of the time....Isles fans are not at all upset with these "overrated" [players of ours...

Sean Couturier had 28 points in 31 AHL during the lockout yet people don't think he'll ever develop offensively in the NHL. It's HF mentality, if you don't go from the NHL draft to a PPG in the NHL, you're a bust.

 

[PWJunior]

Guess I don't keep up with scouting reports but I have heard very few people say Strome was going to be an 80 pt two way player. His play style always reminded me of another Islanders pick in Tim Connolly but with a willingness to shoot more and a much more gritty demeanor... also without the terrible personality that followed Connolly since he was 17.

I've often said Strome was TC 2.0 minus the totally botched handling of TC's development by Milbury. Injuries contributed later on, but he was completely rushed and MM toyed with his head and confidence. It was a real shame. You're right that TC and Strome have similar skill sets, but I think Strome has better hockey IQ than Connolly.

Strome's situation has been the polar opposite with being allowed to develop properly and having a good support structure in place. Training with Tavares and other Isles in the Dungeon (even before being drafted) obviously helps in that regard. Strome is coming into a really good situation on LI as he won't have to come in and be the man. He knows he has a chance to be the Robin to JT's Batman as he'd be another offensive catalyst for a team that really needs one. With all the talk of Strome moving to wing, his development path looks very similar to Logan Couture's. Allowed to develop in Junior, start out in the AHL (all signs point to Strome starting in Bridgeport), breaks in as a winger alongside a premium center in JT (Big Joe/Tavares), eventually moved back to center.

The Isles may have learned their lesson after rushing Bailey and Nino.

 

[Jester9881]

You know, it's funny..... but oh so typical.

Islanders push a prospect along ---> Everyone says he was rushed = Bash the Islanders

Islanders play it safe and slowly develop ---> Everyone calls prospect a bust = Bash the Islanders

People just like bashing the Islanders

 

[member 147413]

You know, it's funny..... but oh so typical.

Islanders push a prospect along ---> Everyone says he was rushed = Bash the Islanders

Islanders play it safe and slowly develop ---> Everyone calls prospect a bust = Bash the Islanders

People just like bashing the Islanders

Yes, people live to bash the Islanders...

Every teams fans say this and it's the most annoying thing, stop playing the victim.

As for Strome, I'm not a fan but I still believe he'll be a great player.

 

[Jester9881]

Yes, people live to bash the Islanders...

Every teams fans say this and it's the most annoying thing, stop playing the victim.

As for Strome, I'm not a fan but I still believe he'll be a great player.

I'll tell you what.... I'll stop bringing it to light, when people stop going out of their way to say ignorant things about the Islanders.

 

[AKL]

Wow. You took quite a beating in this thread. Slowly back away.

When did I say anything to contradict anything in the post you quoted?

 

[end2endrush]

Sean Couturier had 28 points in 31 AHL during the lockout yet people don't think he'll ever develop offensively in the NHL. It's HF mentality, if you don't go from the NHL draft to a PPG in the NHL, you're a bust.

lol so true

 

[Michael Brand Eggs]

Nothing wrong with taking time with prospects, but I guess I thought Strome was a bit more of a sure thing than this. He got an awful lot of hype right after he was drafted.

 

[Gump Hasek]

I agree that Strome is a bit overrated relative to others here on HF.

For example, Strome often finishes ahead of Scheifele here in prospect voting despite that Scheifele finished the regular season with a similar PPG; Scheifele only finished markedly below Strome in regular season points because Scheifele spent some time in the NHL and played fewer OHL games as a result.

Yet in the playoffs this past season Strome only managed a pedestrian 2 goals and 1 assist over 5 games and was a minus 4. Scheifele conversely put up 15 goals and 26 assists and was a +18 player over 21 games to lead the league in playoff scoring.

http://www.ontariohockeyleague.com/stats/show/type/top_scorers/ls_season/48

So yeah, Strome has been a bit overrated here in my view.

 

[thrillhous]

One playing on a contending team, the other playing on a very pedestrian team outside of Strome/Ritchie.

 

[Gump Hasek]

One playing on a contending team, the other playing on a very pedestrian team outside of Strome/Ritchie.

An alternative view would be that one performed well when it counted while the other did not.

 

[DKQ]

An alternative view would be that one performed well when it counted while the other did not.

Another point of view would be that point production in junior isn't the be-all and end-all of prospect evaluation

 

[Gump Hasek]

Another point of view would be that point production in junior isn't the be-all and end-all of prospect evaluation

This is true, but their comparative junior-aged stats are pretty much all we have to judge so far.

When projecting their futures however the main argument against Scheifele has been that he wasn't as physically strong, yet Scheifele has also displayed huge gains in that area since he began working out with Gary Roberts at season-end. He looked pretty much phenomenal in the Jets prospect development camp a few days ago. Just because a bunch of fans have voted Strome the better prospect thus far does not necessarily mean he will eventually prove the superior player in the end.

 

[The Iron Goalie]

I think Strome had a strong stint in the AHL this year,amd played well in the OHL as well but may have been a bit disinterested,due to the team not really having that great of a chance to win this year...ie he was playing for the U-20's....I think if Strome makes the Ilse this year he could reach 45+ points, and be in contention for Rookie of the Year IMO

 

[Beastrt]

An alternative view would be that one performed well when it counted while the other did not.

Strome was putting up nearly 2 points a game and then there top players were either traded or went to the nhl. Scheifele team was constantly good all year. Both have been solid in jr's and its really hard to say who is the better player without seeing them in the nhl. Right now most people rank them very close together and depending on who is there favorite team, have there player ranked higher.

 

[Minnesota]

You know, it's funny..... but oh so typical.

Islanders push a prospect along ---> Everyone says he was rushed = Bash the Islanders

Islanders play it safe and slowly develop ---> Everyone calls prospect a bust = Bash the Islanders

People just like bashing the Islanders

Death, taxes, bashing the Islanders.